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Fred Albury... BUYER BEWARE!!! BAD GUY!!!

I think this thread should stay open. What my post above illustrates is Fred taking peoples money, making excuses not to send animals and spending their money on other animals. When did he take Johns money? July of last year? August somewhere in there. He kept telling John he didn’t have the money to send him but yet he had money for a high dollar kingsnake. Because the kingsnake he was looking for is not your normal $35 dollar Cal. King. So unless the date on this site is off by a year that is extremely relevant as it shows how concerned Fred was with making right to people(namely John who he had offered a refund to). Also I think he obtained that snake wasn’t there something in one of his emails to Ann saying he had a female king from Loyds stock? If so that shows not only did he blow off his obligations to pay people back that he hadn’t delivered to but spent THEIR money that he should have used to pay them back on more animals for himself. Which is definitely NOT where he should have been spending THEIR money. So if that is bashing him or whatever then Ill just have to keep it up. Because in my opinion it shows his true character and his total lack of caring/concern for his customers.
 
I'd like to take the opportunity to let you all know how disgusting this entire thread is. How smug you people must feel, how utterly self-righteous! How wonderful for all of you to be able to sit back in your homes and slander this man, you people make me sick!

I have known Fred Albury personally for about 4 years. During that time he and I became good friends. He hasn't had an easy life, and luck has never been on his side. He has always tried to do the right thing, and he does try to live by a strict moral code.

This place is supposed to be for discussion of herp related business, not attacks on someone's personal life.

Fred has had some very serious issues in his life, and no one here deserves to know what those are. He has tried to make good, but you have absolutely no idea how impossible a task that is! The man is barely surviving!!! And I'm not talking about having a tough time, I'm talking one step from homeless here!

What would make you people happy? Blood? Isnt it enough that he has admitted he made some mistakes, and that he's trying to fix them? Obviously not! No .. let's get a rope and hang him, let's take this moment of weakness and drag him thru the dirt! Self righteous people like yourselves have NEVER made a mistake, or had a deal go wrong have you?

So he sold a snake that he thought was one sex that turned out to be another ... OOH MY! That's never happened in the past?? Please! It was an honest mistake, that much I can assure you of.

Did he take money and not ship snakes? Yes! If you had been in his place you would have done EXACTLY the same thing, because it's a matter of survival .. and nothing else. Did he INTEND to not ship the snakes? No! He did/does intend to make good on every deal that he has made.

In conclusion, I would like to express my disgust for all of this. This petty backstabbing is the main reason I'll never be a part of this business.

For those of you with legitimate ongoing business with Fred, all I can tell you is that he will do his very best to make it right with you as soon as he possibly can. I would also say that if given a choice between buying barely enough to feed himself, or sending you a check, I'd advise him to buy food every time! Think times arent that dire? You are VERY mistaken!

Fred has literally hundreds of business deals that were good, and HAD a well deserved reputation as an honest breeder. Obviously jealousy and petty bickering will earn you enemies in this industry. So he fell on hard times, and now the sharks are tearing him up. People who once had to make up lies to slander him have actual deals gone wrong to celebrate. $hit happens ... and I hope for your own sakes it never happens to you.

For now I have advised Fred to make good on these deals, and the rest of you are insignificant ... attention seeking, vile people who deserve to be in the company of the same.

You people disgust me, I am ashamed to have once been a member of this community. Read Fred's comments below.

Paul Spencer

I spoke with Fred on the telephone, rest assured he's read your comments people. As a matter of fact, I am going to post his reply for you to read. I doubt seriously that he will write anymore in this thread, I know after reading this I wouldnt!

The words below are what he dictated to me over the telephone:

From Fred:

The first thing I'd like to say is:
Ann - you will get your refund
John Skipper - you will get your refund

anyone else who feels they have an issue can contact me via email.

To my friends, thank you for being positive in this negative situation that I've created. In this industry, there have been bigger mishaps, the total bill for all of this is under a thousand dollars.

Jason, you have no business using this thread to bash Sal, that's childish.

Chris Kennard ... stop following me around, you're an amateur in this business like everyone (including me). If you feel your feelings were hurt, sorry. Stop harassing me on every forum under different names, let it go.
 
What??? Fred wont write on this thread because we are all so vile, but yet he will let you translate a phone conversation to people on here?
Fred will not come on here himself and speak up but will let others speak for him? Gee, now that looks good.
As far as his problems, yes everyone falls on hard times at one point or another, sure people can empathize with that. But to deliberately not send snakes when OTHERS hard earned money was sent to him is plain wrong. If Fred has indeed bought snakes during the period he took others money, then he does not have a leg to stand on, not that he really does anyway. How does Fred know that the people he took money from are so rich they can afford this? Not only FRED has problems. Not only FRED has bills to pay. The world does not revolve around only FRED and his problems.
The word I think of when I think of FRED now is coward! Besides BAD GUY!
He has tried to make good? How about not selling snakes he has no intention of shipping? He has the shipping money too? Hard times gives him the right to rip people off? I don't think so.

Of course this is just my thoughts.
 
but that is one dead horse you're beating :*)

I think the point has been made. Anyone looking to do any kind of business with Fred Albury or Aztec Reptiles will surely get enough info from this thread to make the right choice (I would hope). John Skipper posted his experience to again show the type of "business man" Mr. Albury is, and it gives the thread a bit more credence by weight of his reputation (not saying it needed any, either). I mean, do you think the continuance of this thread willl be able to browbeat Fred enough to make him fix everything? For the record I feel that Aztec Reptiles is an A #1 bad guy, I will never do business with him, he HAS to right his wrongs, etc, etc, but that has certainly been established in the last 30 or so pages...jmho folks, and peace
 
Paul Spencer-

I understand you are upset because your friend is having a very bad life right now and this herp business stuff is causing him pain. It is good that you are sticking up for your friend, I would be there for mine too. However.

We all have had rough spots in our lives. I have had some tough times in the past few years, financially and emotionally. But, I would never post ads for herps, take someone elses HARD EARNED MONEY, spend that money on food/rent/car/other herps/whatever and have the nerve to not even ship their animals to them. If the animal is regurgitating/not feeding/whatever the case may be, I would refund that persons money IMMEDIATELY. How would you feel, Paul, if you paid someone money for animals (or anything else for that matter) and that person just never sent them to you? I think you would be very upset about not receiving the animals you paid for, or a full refund of your money.

What Fred has done is B.S. and you know it. Whether his brother died in a plane crash or his car got towed or not is completely irrelevent, what matters is Fred took someones hard earned money and spent that money on himself or his family, and did not deliver the product (in this case snakes) as promised. Before you come on here and say that the ones that have posted here make you sick and how we are all smug and self righteous perhaps you shold put yourself in Fred's customers shoes for a minute! If someone stole hundreds of dollars from me I would be plenty angry about it and i know I would have been less patient than the nice people that bought snakes from Fred.
 
Did he take money and not ship snakes? Yes! If you had been in his place you would have done EXACTLY the same thing, because it's a matter of survival .. and nothing else.
Correct me if I am wrong, Paul, so you said since he has some hardship in his life, it's O.K. for him to post snake for sale, collected people money, and not to ship snake out. Then, he use that money to look for some high-end snake in order to expand his collection. Is it O.K. for people to go out and robs others just because they need money?
He has always tried to do the right thing, and he does try to live by a strict moral code.
All he need to do is refund the money, or ship the animals out, especially in John Skipper case, John even offered to send him shipping money again. Why didn't Fred want to ship the Argentines out?
Fred has literally hundreds of business deals that were good, and HAD a well deserved reputation as an honest breeder
I have questioned myself that Fred knows alot of people from show, and as you said, he has literally hundreds of business deals, but where are those people now???
I spoke with Fred on the telephone, rest assured he's read your comments people. As a matter of fact, I am going to post his reply for you to read. I doubt seriously that he will write anymore in this thread, I know after reading this I wouldnt!
The words below are what he dictated to me over the telephone:

From Fred:

The first thing I'd like to say is:
Ann - you will get your refund
John Skipper - you will get your refund

anyone else who feels they have an issue can contact me via email.

To my friends, thank you for being positive in this negative situation that I've created. In this industry, there have been bigger mishaps, the total bill for all of this is under a thousand dollars.

Jason, you have no business using this thread to bash Sal, that's childish.

Chris Kennard ... stop following me around, you're an amateur in this business like everyone (including me). If you feel your feelings were hurt, sorry. Stop harassing me on every forum under different names, let it go.
Fred still has both of his hands, hasn't him? He read this thread. Why can't he response? Why it has to be you to post his words? Then Jason was correct. Fred is good at starting something, then just disappear and let his fellow picks up the part.
 
A word about Aztec Reptiles...

Please note that on KayEssDotCom there is an 'Aztec Reptiles' listed in the sellers section...I was lookingat that at one point and I think it is out of the US of A - not sure, Britain I think.


I doubt they are the same Aztec Reptiles Fred purports to be, so please be careful if you contact them.

Also, I agree. Fred is using someone on here as a m
'mouthpiece' to get his point across. I think he may have tried that with me, but I did not forward the contents of his letter to the Board... an obvious newbie (and somewhat irrational at times; I admit) I need to ask the question... should I have posted it?

I am seeing how the focus of this forum is a little better now - it's a bit of extreme for my personal taste;i.e. a feeding frenzy, but on the other hand it got the job done. I owe all who helped a tremendous thanks. If it helps, we are to close on a house on Friday and the stress level is running a bit high right now, so...sorry again.

But I do agree with someone who posted earlier and stated that we are beating a dead horse. Fred is wrong, he has admitted it to everyone. At some point, we all have to realize that humiliation will not be effective. Could be Ann and I got snakes because he happened to have them 'laying around'. Ann got a male and I ACCEPTED the Covina King as a substitute, by prior arrangement, to get the deal done.

I'll post on the 'trade' section of the classifieds and see if anyone wants to trade hogs over for the king and we might just get there yet!

Landon Johnson
 
I just looked...

...and I did not see a snake trade page - is there one???

Landon Johnson
 
I have known Fred Albury personally for about 4 years. During that time he and I became good friends.
Yup and as I pointed out his good freinds as few as they are becoming always have to fight his fights for him.
Jason, you have no business using this thread to bash Sal, that's childish.
I havnt bashed Sal in the slighest, just simply asking where another of his good freinds are that always saved the day for him. Rember this one "SAL To SAAAVVEE THEEE DAAYY!"
And I'm not talking about having a tough time, I'm talking one step from homeless here!
Humm but as proven by my prior post and quote of his wanted ad. When he was putting off people he owed money to he was buying other animals for himself WITH THEIR MONEY. The ONLY thing that can disprove that is if the date on THIS site is off by atleast 6 months. Is it? That doesnt sound very desperate to me. that to me sounds like someone who is enjoying the money he stole from others.
From Fred:
The first thing I'd like to say is:
Ann - you will get your refund
John Skipper - you will get your refund
Paul did he fess up to you about the others? The three involved in this thread are NOT the only people he ripped off. Ask him and see if he is honest with you. Landon, Ann and John are just the three that spoke up. There are more that havnt heard from him in months.
Isnt it enough that he has admitted he made some mistakes, and that he's trying to fix them?
What is he trying to fix? He still hasnt contacted John. Rember he took John for over $500. So please explain to me how he is trying to fix that situation when he hasnt even contacted him, all he hs done for John is ignore John atemopts to contact him.
Did he take money and not ship snakes? Yes! If you had been in his place you would have done EXACTLY the same thing, because it's a matter of survival ..
So you are either buying right into his pity me act or he is having a hard time. Either way this shows the high standard you live by. Whats really sad is that YOU cold try amd justify his reasoning for ripping people off.
I would also say that if given a choice between buying barely enough to feed himself, or sending you a check, I'd advise him to buy food every time! Think times arent that dire? You are VERY mistaken!
Hey I dont doubt that in the slightest, youd probally advise him to buy that nice King snake out of Loyds line prior to feeding himself or sending a check as well huh?
Did he take money and not ship snakes? Yes!
And in his desperate situation spent the money on another badly needed kingsnake.
 
Did anyone else make this connection?

I should stay out of this, but this really bugs me. Did anyone else notice this? We are supposed to cut Fred some slack because he is having some “very serious issues in his life” and “The man is barely surviving!!!” (pg 31 near the top) But in Nov. 2002, how did he display his Humanity and kind nature? It bothered me enough to go back and find the quotes. I don’t know how to use the Quote button, so I have cut and pasted, but I have referenced which page my quotes came from.

E-mail from Mr. Skipper to Mr. Albury dated Nov. 2, 2002. This an cut from that e-mail, you can find it about half way down on page 17.

“My daughter has health problems and I can't afford the doctor bills (they all want cash up front). You know the old saying - family comes first- and mine does come first. I have been wholesaling my animals out and doing whatever else I can in order to get my daughter the best care I can. So Fred to be short, simple and to the point I think you have been given plenty of time, I desperately need and want my money back and I really do not care what you are going to have to sell, beg, or borrow in order to get it back to me.”

But he did not return ANY of mr. Skippers money, instead ran this add on Nov. 26, 2002 (24 days later) trying to purchase a snake, so obviously he had SOME cash, even if it was not ALL of mr. Skippers Money. I found this on page 30, close to the bottom.

“I am looking for an ADULT FEMALE(If possible) Chocolate Cal. King. This bloodline of Cal Kings was made popular by the late Lloyd Lemke, and is distinquished by its chocolate color, lack of white or yellow bands and chocolate ventral coloration. Reg BROWN Cal Kings arent what I am looking for, this snake is distinct in that it for the most part lacks the bands found on most california kingsnakes. For a better idea, think of a BROWN Nigritis(Black Mexican King)
If you have one, or can refer me to someone that does, I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks in advance.

Fred Albury
AZTEC REPTILES”

Looks to me like Mr. Albury is reaping what he sewed.
 
Unbelievable!!!

After reading Paul Spencer's response I am totally in shock over these latest excuses for Fred not doing right by his customers.

Everyone has hard times including myself, I've lived through moments of being beyond broke and on the verge of losing my appartment and everything else I had. NEVER in those moments have I EVER considered stealing to relieve my problems or using monies intended for other things to help myself. This practice is beyond dispicable ESPECIALLY in a business transaction.

I honestly don't care about the other excuses: family member dying, etc. But to hear that he used OTHER peoples money for HIS benefit it absolutely outrageous!!!

On top of it, if he was so broke and in such dire needs, how can he afford to buy more snakes??? Sounds like another bogus excuse to me!

In any case, if that was his problem there were many other ways of dealing with it other than stealing customers money. I call it stealing because it seems that unless Fred is called on his bad dealings, he seems to not make any effort to correct them.

Anny Harocopos
 
Paul Spencer -- Another "One Thread Wonder" heard from . . .How nice!

"This place is supposed to be for discussion of herp related business, not attacks on someone's personal life."

No one is attacking his personal life. People are uncovering his lies about personal things that HE used to try to excuse his business (public) failures. Fred brought the personal issues into play . . .he has no one but himself to blame for that.

"Fred has had some very serious issues in his life, and no one here deserves to know what those are."

Then why did HE bring them into the picture int he first place????

"Did he take money and not ship snakes? Yes! If you had been in his place you would have done EXACTLY the same thing, because it's a matter of survival .. and nothing else."

So, if Fred gets in dire straights again and decides to rob a bank, will that be OK with you, Paul? After all, theft is theft, and we're really only talking about differences in the amount of money taken here.

"I would also say that if given a choice between buying barely enough to feed himself, or sending you a check, I'd advise him to buy food every time!"

What about being given the choice of buying food, sending an owed refund, or buying new snakes? Where do you come down on those options, Paul? Fred went with the latter option, it seems.

"You people disgust me, I am ashamed to have once been a member of this community."

You've never been a part of THIS community, Paul! Remember, you're a "One Thread Wonder" who's here to tell us all how we're doing it all wrong!!! Wow, I'm sure we're all thankful that you're now here to straighten us out!!!!

Fred, it's obvious you're reading this, so I'll just say this directly to you one more time: YOU have brought this upon yourself with YOUR lies. I was more than willing to give you the benefit of the doubt on the inconsistencies in your stories, but you made me look and feel foolish for doing so, because it is now quite obvious that YOU DID LIE about several aspects of your reasons for not being able to fulfill your responsibilities to you customers. The evidence is overwhelming . . .BUT if there is some way that we have all been made to see the evidence in a way that is not accurate, YOU have to come on here and set it all straight. Why? Because if you don't, everyone will conclude that you are a liar not to be trusted, and once that your new reputation, you're finished in this business, because TRUST is everything, as you well know!

So, come on, Fred! Tell us how that man, Frank Albury, listed as the cousin of the two men who died in that plane crash is not related to you, but has the same last name. Explain to us all how this was, so that we can see that you really were telling the truth. Believe me . . .I WANT you to be telling the truth, Fred. But you're going to have to set this straight yourself. As it is now, it looks like you stole people's money, then used the misery of another family to cover your theft. I really, REALLY hope that isn't true about you, Fred!
 
Hey Paul,

How dare you come on here and say that we would have done the same thing!!! If that's your thinking, then your credibility is as good as Fred's. Maybe you steal from people too, seeing as how you think it's okay under these circumstances. And how dare you insinuate that his problems justify ripping people off!!! Ya' think no one else here has seen hard times? I have. It didn't transform me into a thief. If he's that close to being hyomeless, then tell him to get a job and maybe he could stay at your house for a while since you're such a good friend. In regard to "dragging him through the dirt", what do you think he's been doing to people for the last year, maybe longer? Stealing people's HARD EARNED money is not a matter of "survival". Hard work is.And s--t doesn't just happen. People make it happen...period!

Fred, Ive been collecting snakes for longer than you have(twenty-five years). My snakes are healthy and I've never ripped anyone off. Who's the amateur???
 
Paul Spencer - Very Bad Guy............

You and Fred are, no doubt, "two peas in a pod". Your outrage is pathetic! Fred's slimey little attempt to rehabilitate his reputation by putting you up to this post was the best he could do? No one here is taking food out of Fred's mouth. I suggest that if Fred's life really is in that much disarray it's because of his own seedy ways and, therefore he only has himself to blame. Nobody here wants "blood" so tone it down Drama Queen. The best thing Fred could do now is come on here and, in no uncertain terms, specify the steps he will take to resolve John Skipper's problem. He should also do the same for Ann and anyone else who will eventually come on this forum with similar problems. he should admit that he has been a fraud and it certainly wouldn't hurt to come clean on the plane crash. This isn't asking for "blood", get it?
YOU are just as creepy as Fred when you try to justify his actions. John, Landon and Ann are the victims here. Fred is the reason why. Please do not associate Fred Albury, EVER, with being some sort of a victim. You should be disgusted with yourself!

Albert Applebaum

PS I've mentioned before that Landon and I are not fans of one another. His recent, and ridiculous, posts perfectly demonstrate the reason why.
 
Another thing, Fred...

Future purchasers access this site to protect themselves from being taken by dishonest "brokers" such as yourself. You want me to "let it go"? ... When you come clean...completely! Buyers have a right to be protected!!!
 
Nice catch, Cheryl! I missed that, but you're absolutely correct. Fred requires compassion from everyone, but fails to give it back to his own customers?!?!? NICE!

:puke:

Thanks for making the page referrence notations too, by the way. It really helps when these threads grow to monster lengths like this!
 
Before you sympathize with Fred.........

He is the guy who had absolutely nothing to say regarding John Skipper's daughter and the medical bills. With all the talk about his own alleged personal hardships I found it to be pretty creepy that he had zero time for someone else's problems. Nice guy!

Albert Applebaum
 
Mr. Applebaum...

A couple of messages you stated,

Start Quote:

PS I've mentioned before that Landon and I are not fans of one another. His recent, and ridiculous, posts perfectly demonstrate the reason why.

End Quote:

I am sitting here with a score of 13 points and you are sitting there with a score of 21 points. You have been banned; I have not, even though at the time I requested same. I have apologized upstairs in the thread and do not need you in your position with MORE points and MORE bans to tell me why you are not my 'fan'!

Talk about taking a cheap shot! I never asked you to be a 'fan' of mine....

Landon Johnson
 
OK, sports fans. Stop the internal bickering within this thread, NOW. I set this site up with adults in mind to use it, so please, at least attempt to act the part.

If you have something to say that is ONLY of interest to the person you are directing it to, then use email. This site is not here to satisfy your need for an audience of your 'verbal' sparring.

Thank you for your anticipated cooperation.
 
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