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Has anyone dealt with Cameron or Ashley Glucheff

You know what I just realized?

Matt "the brown noser" stated above that he would have gotten one from Clay. Realistically this could have been any of us that he bought the snake from. Only Cam knows why he chose to buy the snake from Scott. There were definitely a few local choices he could have made.

Cam only lives like 5 miles from Basically Boas! He could have taken the city bus and been at Mike and Stephs house in 10 minutes! In fact, Mike is such a nice guy he probably would have driven out to Cams, picked him up, and brought him to his house to see one HELL of a boa collection!

He could have taken possession of a snake in person, rather than have it shipped. The sad thing here is that it doesnt matter who he bought it from, or who anyone thinks he should have bought it from (note to brown noser). What matters is that the snake would have obviously ended up in the freezer anyway!

So no matter who Cameron "could have" or "should have" bought a boa from, the important thing to realize is that he wont have the oportunity to chose again as I doubt anyone with any quality will be selling anything to him in the near future.
 
You are correct somewhat odatria But you have some very unfair comments at the same time. You must remember that this animal was dead before it ever landed in cams care. Therefor you can not scrutinize the methods cam takes to care for his animals because his care was never involved in this incident.

Basically everyone cam may be in the wrong for misrepresenting his age. But the bottom line is there is a dead 450$ animal here and everyone is trying to point the finger. The fact of the matter it doesnt matter what facts we pull or what research is done or your opinions the snake is dead and there is now no way to prove who is in fault because no necropsy was performed. And because that avenue was not taken it looks as if cam now has a 450$ dead animal end of story.

End of show everyone and I know a few people will agree, this thread has gone a bit to far and has veered off the issue to much.

Dead snake with no proof of who is at fault. Proof is not available because actions taken by recipient therefor he must assume responsibility.
 
And Matt and Randy, Lets please not have a pissing match airing out your dirty laundry for everyone to see. If you have a problem amongst yourselves lets be adult about it and take it up with eachother.
 
Hey Flyride, take a hike!

You are correct somewhat odatria But you have some very unfair comments at the same time. You must remember that this animal was dead before it ever landed in cams care. Therefor you can not scrutinize the methods cam takes to care for his animals because his care was never involved in this incident.
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This has nothing to do with Camerons "care" of animals! It is his "carelessness" that killed the animal, not his care! Cameron broke Reptibids TOS. Cameron misrepresented his age. Cameron had the snake shipped to someone who has ZERO common sense when it comes to boa husbandry. CAMERON has been caught in more lies in this thread than I can list! Cameron is responsible for the death of that animal!

I would like to see you convince one veteran member here that this is about a "Dead snake with no proof of who is at fault." It's not going to happen! Cameron subjected the snake to imroper care, it died, and he is to blame. Since Cameron is a minor, his mother is responsible for his actions so she is to blame as well. If Cameron takes care of his animals the same way his mother takes care of him, they are all destined to be freezer bait!

Basically everyone cam may be in the wrong for misrepresenting his age. But the bottom line is there is a dead 450$ animal here and everyone is trying to point the finger. The fact of the matter it doesnt matter what facts we pull or what research is done or your opinions the snake is dead and there is now no way to prove who is in fault because no necropsy was performed. And because that avenue was not taken it looks as if cam now has a 450$ dead animal end of story.
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The "facts, and research" we have shown prove Camerons character. The end of the story now is not "who is at fault" but rather a reminder that only a moron would sell an animal of any kind to Cameron after this thread!

End of show everyone and I know a few people will agree, this thread has gone a bit to far and has veered off the issue to much.
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I dont know who your friends are that would agree, but if you do not like the way this thread has progressed then kick rocks! This thread has taken the course it has because of Cameron and his mother, and the many lies we have caught them in. If you want to accuse someone of being "unfair" accuse them! You think it is "fair" that the snake is dead because of Camerons actions? You think it is "fair" that Cameron has tried to drag a decent sellers name through the mud? You think it is "fair" that Camerons mother threatened Webslave with legal action, even though she was at fault? Get real Flyride.

And now for my favorite part of your post.

Proof is not available because actions taken by recipient therefor he must assume responsibility.
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You spend amn entire thread saying that there is no proof of who is responsible, and then you end it by saying "he (Cameron) must assume responsibility." Doesnt that sound a bit strange? Maybe you should change your signiture to read "I voted for it, right before I voted against it!" If you are not familliar with that quote, Im sure some nice "fair" people can explain it to you.
 
the essential fact

The focal point of this entire thread is one thing, and one thing only.

Whether Scott is responsible for the death of the snake.

And that appears to have been solved once it was acknowledged that the snake arrived alive, and the third party notified him as such.

Any husbandry flaws by Cameron or Anthony, whether real or imagined aren't really relevant, as there were no special guarantees or contracts in place.

Scott sent the snake. The person the buyer wanted to receive it, did receive it, alive and acknowledged as such. The issue then becomes one between Cameron and the third party.

That's it. That's all. And that is how a judge is going to see it.
 
please do not use my words and twist them to try to make your point. Basically all im saying is show is over get a life and move onto something else!
 
Thank you very much Cruciform see there are others here that are competent enough to understand the conclusion of this.
 
I do not know what you think Cruciform is saying...

Flyride said:
Thank you very much Cruciform see there are others here that are competent enough to understand the conclusion of this.
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But if you think his post is somehow complementary to yours, you are mistaken. While I do agree with him that a judge will see it as he described it, I do not agree that "The focal point of this entire thread is one thing, and one thing only. Whether Scott is responsible for the death of the snake." The focal point of this thread has everything to do with Camerons character. From his initial accusations against Scott, to the many lies he has told along the way. There are countless examples of inquiries on the BOI that have progressed beyond the "fault" issue to draw out a persons character. This is obviously one of those threads. Since ALL posts about a particular person are supposed to line up under a common thread, and ALL information pertaining to the person(s) (in this case, Cameron and Ashley) add to the scope of the inquiry.
 
you know what micheal I agree. Im just tired of going around and around with this. It isnt moving anyware and I cant wait for this to be over and let a judge decide the outcoem. Please remember I have no bad thoughts against you or anyone else here it is meerly everyone stating there opinions and i respect everyones feedback.
 
Flyride said:
The fact of the matter it doesnt matter what facts we pull or what research is done or your opinions the snake is dead and there is now no way to prove who is in fault because no necropsy was performed. And because that avenue was not taken it looks as if cam now has a 450$ dead animal end of story.

Dead snake with no proof of who is at fault. Proof is not available because actions taken by recipient therefor he must assume responsibility.
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flyride, you are WRONG.

A necropsy could STILL be done. It would not rule out sickness of the snake prior to shipping but it WOULD determine FOR SURE if the snake died due to physcal trauma after it was recieved by anthony.

This has been pointed out SEVERAL times to wondermon and her darling boy cam. Perhaps, for some strange reason, they don't WANT to have a necropsy done.

Wonder why they would feel that way?

You are, flyride, right about cam taking responsibility. Not wondermom, cam. He decided to leave it with his "expert" reptile keeper. No matter how you look at this cam is the bottom line person responsible for the snakes death. It was his decisions from the beginning that lead to a dead snake. Period.

I would still like to see a necropsy report cam and wondermommy. You guys gonna get one done or not?

Wes Pollock
 
Flyride said:
you know what micheal I agree. Im just tired of going around and around with this. It isnt moving anyware and I cant wait for this to be over and let a judge decide the outcoem.
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Nobody is forcing you to go round and round with this, you are posting of your own free will. I think your posting is just contributing to this thread continuing.

I personally do not belive that any judge will ever see this case because Cameron and his mother do not have a leg to stand on. IF a judge does see this case, I do not belive Scott will be found guilty of anything except for selling to people who think they are too important to be at fault and can place the blame where they see fit.
 
Flyride

Look Under the couch for your brain! How can someone twist your words, when it is a direct QUOTE!? You came on here to defend Cam, it did not work, he is what we don't need in this hobby/business. He is a proven Liar, he, and his mother are looking to blame anyone for the death of this snake! (except the person that probably killed it!) I would not ever sell a snake to Cam, and I know others who feel the same! BTW CAM/MOMMIE HOW MUCH MONEY DID THAT CASE OF ANTIVENIN COST? Also Cam, I have a couple of Venomous that I would like to watch you milk! How about it? OH WHAT A TANGLED WEB WE WEAVE etc. etc, etc....
 
Update?

So.......has anyone been served with papers for small claims court? Anyone been visited by the sheriff for stalking? Has F&W been notified about a 15 year old keeping hots?
 
looking for updates....

Dear BOI,

As I view both cameron and ashley glucheff to be two of the most repugnant people in this hobby (and that is saying a lot!), I am curious as to whether or not any of their threats have actually played out. Were any papers ever served? Did they end up driving out to meet anyone? I thought that they were going to 'spare no expense'....
 
Wow, I read all 44 pages last night.

Let me tell you, reading this BOI forum the past few weeks makes getting back into the herp hobby a little scary .......:(
 
hehehehe

this thread was the best...i was told it was like jerry springer and it was...........i have my opinions but they are just that....mine....lol
 
okay since someone brought this thread back up and since I am curious...

glucheff promised to sue someone in the summer.

summer is over...

did anyone get sued?
 
Ok everyone. First off I avoid posting in this this forum like the plague only because earlier in this thread for simply stating my opinion I was chopped at the knees and ridiculed for my opinion. At the time of making this opinion I was an "internet aquantance" of Cameron and everyone else involved. and they lead me to believe they were ginuine. However to my dismay I was told this truth of this occurance directly from cameron himself and that is the second reason I have avoided this thread. Only because here i was posting in his favor then finding out I was protecting the wrong guy and if I ran and posted against him right after posting for him I was afraid my reputation and credibility would be speculated and chopped apart. However enough is enough and I would like to take out the trash and fill everyone in on the truth.

When i was informed this Cam told me it was not his mother, it was actually him. This was as of page 30 or so. I separated myself from the thread since then. Now if he fed a line of crap to his mother and got her involved I dont know however i severely doubt it.
See this snake was ordered and sent to his friend solely because his mother would not allow him to have another snake. So there plan was he would order it and send it to his friend and pick it up from him at a reptile show and hide it from his mother and hope she never notices.
Now they did this and had it sent to his friend and yes there was a kink in its neck which I still have pictures of however it was not the reason of death at all.
The reason it died is because he fed the snake a meal the a day or so later placed it in a box and sealed it and placed it in the trunk of there car and drove over an hour to the reptile show. Upon arriving at the show insted of taking the snake out he left it there and went to the show. They went out to the car in the middle of the afternoon approx 4-6 hrs later and opened the box and there was a lifeless snake.
The snake died of overheating with prey still in its stomach which is very fatal.
His friend who felt bad for this happening offered cam to buy him a new one just to give him time to save money but Cam wanted to try to play of the kink neck approach and get his money back and possibly still have his friend pay for him a new snake.
Cam is very misleading and is a good but horrible liar.

Im sorry to everyone for not posting this sooner however like i said after being bash for making a comment or two i stayed clear however I have felt bad since for knowing the truth and taking so long to air it out. And for that i appologize.

Sincerely Jeff Johnson aka Flyride
 
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