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Has anyone dealt with Cameron or Ashley Glucheff

"Whoops I forgot part of the senario:

Friend also drives the car around for a week, even takes it on a long trip, possibly over rough terrain."


I have a feeling Cameron is leaving that part out too.More than likely , he is doing it intentionally. Either that, or Anthony isn't telling him something.
 
I bet just about everyone would think what a horrible child that was. NO ONE would be blaming the clerk.
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Not in california. We would proceed with the following steps:

1. Seek counseling for the child so he can deal with his traumatic experience.

2. Start a class action lawsuit against the clerk, the store, the delivery service that brought the beer to the store, the beer manufacturer and your higher power (can't say God in CA) that created the water that was used in the beer.

3. All monies awarded from the above suit would be given to the child to help them with their traumatic experience.

Frankly, the attitude expressed by Cameron is common in california kids (I've done shows in Utah, New Mexico and California and it's night and day the behaviour of a number [not all but a lot] of kids at the California shows). Since they have this value system nothing anyone says on this board or anywhere will change his impression that he has done no wrong (or his mother's impression of the same) even if it goes to the judge and he kicks it out of court (Then it will be a corrupt judicial system at work).

While a spanking would probably do this child some good, they are all but outlawed in CA.
 
I can't believe that Cameron and his mother think that they can take Scott to court and win!!
First of all Cameron and Bruce used "deceptive measures" to obtain this boa. Cameron registered for a reptibid account (being 15 makes this DECEPTIVE) and gave the "apperance" that they were a business (once again VERY DECEPTIVE). Then they had the boa sent to a 3rd party (MORE DECEPTION). Now if that 3rd party is actually an "ADULT" you've lost your case right there Cameron. After all that would mean an "ADULT" acted on "BEHALF" of a minor. If Anthony is an adult that means "Scott sent the boa to an ADULT" and since an "ADULT" recieved it.......................... Well, he took on the responsibility of it's "CARE AND WELL BEING". That ends "ANY" responsibilty on the sellers part. Especially since Anthony said it arrived alive and well. It even ate for him. Now that's the sign of a HEALTHY BOA!! Of course, all this can change "IF" a necropsy is done and "IF" it's found that the snake was diseased "PRIOR" to it being shipped. Of course, the boa was frozen and that will make it harder, maybe impossible, to get an accurate necropsy report.
I'm sorry, but if it were my child that practiced such a "DECEPTION" I would just tell them to live and learn. I wouldn't try to REWARD their "DECEPTIVE" actions by trying to take an INNOCENT person to court. I'd also be looking at Anthony's methods of caring for the boa too. BTW if you do get a necropsy done and it turns out to be "Anthony's fault" that the boa died are you going to come back and "AOPLOGISE" to Scott? After all you're still not sure "WHY THE BOA DIED". Since you've decide to "go to court" you'll have to have "PROOF" of what killed the boa. That would mean you "MUST" have a necropsy done to determine "CAUSE OF DEATH!"

There's one more thing you should consider. Since you're 15 and should know better. In order to actually "win" such a court case you'd have to PROVE there was no "DECEPTION" on your part Cameron. Just being a "MINOR" won't do it. You have to prove you have "CLEAN HANDS" and that you purchased this boa in "GOOD FAITH". The "DECEPTION" I mentioned before "PROVES" you don't have "CLEAN HANDS". They judge will rule against you unless you can "PROVE" the snake was sick before it was shipped. So sum it up you should have been "HONEST" from the start. You should have informed Scott in the begining that you are a "MINOR" and you should have ASKED YOUR MOTHER BEFORE YOU BOUGHT A BOA!!

That's my 2 cents!
 
over and over

Several of us have broken down the situation point by point, as offered by both parties.

In my first posting to the thread I pointed out things that both parties have said that have not been disputed by either party.

Oddly enough, the Gluhcheff's continue to ignore those postings and focus on the petty battles.

Please lock this thread. At this point it is just going in circles.
 
clean hands doctrine
n. a rule of law that a person coming to court with a lawsuit or petition for a court order must be free from unfair conduct (have "clean hands" or not have done anything wrong) in regard to the subject matter of his/her claim. His/her activities not involved in the legal action can be abominable because they are considered irrelevant. As an affirmative defense (positive response) a defendant might claim the plaintiff (party suing him/her) has a "lack of clean hands" or "violates the clean hands doctrine" because the plaintiff has misled the defendant or has done something wrong regarding the matter under consideration. Example: A former partner sues on a claim that he was owed money on a consulting contract with the partnership when he left, but the defense states that the plaintiff (party suing) has tried to get customers from the partnership by spreading untrue stories about the remaining partner's business practices.

Here's the URL of where I got this info.
http://dictionary.law.com/definition2.asp?selected=211&bold=||||

OK, That's all I have to say on this issue.
 
How unfortunate

Yes, California has become the land of the law suit. It is very sad.

The biggest mistake that I can see here that Cameron and his mother are making is that the actual purchase didn't occur in CA, it occured in Illinois, therefore, they will have to file in Illinois and they will be governed by IL state law. Other states tend to frown on this "let's sue and not take resposibility for our own actions" mentality.

Oh yea, and then there is that little lying and decieving thing.....Judges don't like that very much either.

I can't believe they got a lawyer to take this on...ofcourse, as soon as they lose, they will file suit against the lawyer.




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Wendy,

You may have misread. Ashley pointed out that her father, an ex Assistant DA, has offered to help her....which is not GETTING a lawyer really. Then she pointed out that this would be a small claims issue, where there are no lawyers allowed. Then there was a statement about calling Judge Judy to schedule an appearance.

I think it currently stands at filing in small claims court in Illinois, and taking the RV, the witnesses, and the snakes to the appearance.
 
I'll bring the popcorn...

I have summer off too, maybe I'll take a road trip up there to watch the court room fun. Actually, there is no way this case gets to court anytime soon...maybe a year from now! Maybe never... I think the Gluhcheff's have figured out that their bluff has been called & they will just disappear. I am still peeved about a snake ending up dead with these 2 sorry individuals sitting around blaming the seller. And they never did answer the questions....

Ro Hill
 
Didnt I post several Pages ago that this was a small claims issue?

LOL. They cant even be represented in small claims court. BTW, I drove by their house and if thats where rich people live then I will just stay middle class. I will take a picture of their "Lifestyle" for everyone here to see.

What a waste of bandwidth.
 
Small claims

I don't know how similar Illinois small claims court is to Ontario's but here you can have a lawyer represent you at the pre-trial hearings. After our landlord hired one to represent her, we ended up hiring one as well. (We're suing her for an injury resulting from the landlords free roaming pit bull going after my fiance)

If it ever gets to the actual court date, then we'll be in there alone, but up until that point you can have lawyers threaten, negotiate, whatever. :)
 
In Ill I believe you can not have a lawyer for small claims. But like I said earlier, the judge/referee will ask at the very beginning if they are waiving trial as both parties have a right to trial. NOW if one does not waive that right that is where the fun begins. Court is stopped right then and onward and upward we go, Ill is not known for fast court action either, lol. Of course if trial is set, there are the never ending pre trials, and continuances ect.
I do have some questions in catching up with this thread.
Cameron, did you get in ANY trouble for this? Grounding? Taking away your favorite toy? Time out? Anything?
And what with your witness being the illusive Anthony the keeper of your reptiles while you are away, if he goes with you, then who will take care of your reptiles and his? Or are you planning on ALL the critters between the both of you with you in this excursion?
Please do not close this thread, not until the court date is set, I would love to go there as it is less than a days drive for me. If possible could you try to set the date up for a day close to the week end when a show is in town? That would be great!
 
I to wandered by the house, Yikes. Most depressing of all was the way they scraped the desert bare over the entire lot.
Give it up up cameron you dont have a leg to stand on.
 
my ? is

I have read some of this( too many posts, could not keep up) and I agree that this is just going in circles. One quick question. why isn't bruce trying to get his $100 back? all I hear is the $350 not $450. did I miss something?
 
What would him being gay have to do with it? I am not taking sides here but this is just ridiculus the way some of you feel you have to peel open this kids chest and poke needles at his heart! Not a single person that has been posting all these mean messages toward this kid cannot say they told lies when they were put under the gun...

What exactly good is it going to do by name calling and beating down of everything this kid is saying?

This kid at least likes reptiles. Instead of beating up on him, teach him and help him figure out what happened. Maybe you'll get more honesty out of him (supposing he is lying). It's threads like this that show why alot of people sell off all their herps and call it quits, they get tired of dealing with the witch hunts and rumors.

Like I said earlier, I don't know if the kid is lying or telling the truth but what I do know is this isn't accomplishing anything... isn't the the whole idea of the BOI?
 
ShannanD25 said:


And how old is your ...uh...partner Bruce? I dont think you answered that yet....Is he your...business partner, or just your "partner"....
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Forgot to put the quote in....
 
montezuma said:


Like I said earlier, I don't know if the kid is lying or telling the truth but what I do know is this isn't accomplishing anything... isn't the the whole idea of the BOI?
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Gene, have you ACTUALLY read this whole thread? There is NO DOUBT this kid is lying.

He's bad news and if he continues in this industry he will blacken all of our eyes with his behaviour. You go ahead and step up if you feel the need but I'll pass. I WOULD NOT sell to this kid or his mother if they offered me 10 times my asking price. It's just not worth the aggrivation nor the lives of the few snakes I produce.

Your ducks all fell over before you posted gene, please line them up again and see if you still think the same way after you read this WHOLE thread.

Wes Pollock
 
VERY good question John. Why isn't Bruce asking for the other hundred dollars or better yet, I believe earlier on it was said that Cameron borrowed the money, so why is it still 350? Isn't he intending on paying Bruce back?
I still want to know why Anthony isn't coming on here, it is said he is reading this thread. He could clear up a lot of things.
I agree with what you say Gene, but with all the bashing and high and mightiness they have shown here, it is hard for some to not be sarcastic, I can see where it would be VERY easy, lol
About the teaching of Cameron, there have been many of people that have come on here trying to do just that, and in a nice way. It is hard to teach one that is unwilling to learn. Also, as he did not know that much about snakes BEFORE buying them (doing his research on them first), I am sure he has learned far more than he EVER knew on reptiles.
My suggestion, instead of skipping through the thread, read the whole thing, it shows what they think of anyone on here from the very beginning and also shows there are a lot out there that have given them factual information.
 
Wes,
I read this whole thread. Did I blink when someone made you god? The last time I checked... NO. Leave it to God to judge him. Everyone has screwed up as a teenager. Are you the same person you were when you were 15? I probably wouldn't have sold to you when you were that age, just as you say you wouldn't sell to him.
Remind me, why is it you are the honorary mayor of hell? Can't play nice with the other kids?
 
ms_terese said:
Wendy,

You may have misread. Ashley pointed out that her father, an ex Assistant DA, has offered to help her....which is not GETTING a lawyer really. Then she pointed out that this would be a small claims issue, where there are no lawyers allowed. Then there was a statement about calling Judge Judy to schedule an appearance.

I think it currently stands at filing in small claims court in Illinois, and taking the RV, the witnesses, and the snakes to the appearance.
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Yep, I did skip over some of the posts...appearantly too many.
So Mr Assistant DA didn't tell her she needed to file in Illinois?
Maybe that is why he is former.
 
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