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Has anyone heard of Tim Koppenhof?

Thomas, it would appear as if you have a few screws loose yourself. If your reading comprehension is so poor as to ascertain that this board was supporting Pam then you need to go back to using a ruler to read. This board, as a whole, has supported Dan. The vast majority of us feel as though Pam brought this upon herself and Dan is fairly innocent in this.

With that said, just walk away. You're doing more harm then good to Dan. If anything, the people on this board have supported him. If he's your friend, then you need to step away from the keyboard as the saying above is true, with friends like you who needs enemies?

Griz
 
Griz said:
Thomas, it would appear as if you have a few screws loose yourself. If your reading comprehension is so poor as to ascertain that this board was supporting Pam then you need to go back to using a ruler to read. This board, as a whole, has supported Dan. The vast majority of us feel as though Pam brought this upon herself and Dan is fairly innocent in this.

With that said, just walk away. You're doing more harm then good to Dan. If anything, the people on this board have supported him. If he's your friend, then you need to step away from the keyboard as the saying above is true, with friends like you who needs enemies?

Griz
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well put.........
i totally understand.....
she has pissed alot of us off though...
it seemed as if she was making him out to be a liar, and that i understand leeds most people on the BOI straight to the gallows......
alot of times things get carried away in a thread quickly before and after both parties have spoke their peace...
i read through some of the posts and just assumed there were ones that might be somehow attacking dans character and business practices.
I now bow out gracefully.
 
brodie691 said:
well put.........
i totally understand.....
she has pissed alot of us off though...
it seemed as if she was making him out to be a liar, and that i understand leeds most people on the BOI straight to the gallows......
alot of times things get carried away in a thread quickly before and after both parties have spoke their peace...
i read through some of the posts and just assumed there were ones that might be somehow attacking dans character and business practices.
I now bow out gracefully.
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Thomas, In the beginning of threads such as these you have to poke a little at both sides to see who is consistent. If anything, Pamela has shown a lack of consistency and deception in regards to several points. That does nothing but bolster Dan’s position on this thread. I don’t understand how you could think Dan’s getting the short end. He answered all the questions put to him. He has taken a little criticism for the mistake on the breeder but most have come to the conclusion that it was an honest mistake. She hasn't made him out to be a liar but rather her inconsistency had led her to the "gallows".
 
Dennis Hultman said:

Thomas, In the beginning of threads such as these you have to poke a little at both sides to see who is consistent. If anything, Pamela has shown a lack of consistency and deception in regards to several points. That does nothing but bolster Dan’s position on this thread. I don’t understand how you could think Dan’s getting the short end. He answered all the questions put to him. He has taken a little criticism for the mistake on the breeder but most have come to the conclusion that it was an honest mistake. She hasn't made him out to be a liar but rather her inconsistency had led her to the "gallows".
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what can i say, i jumped the gun... you see this woman has come on the forums and spammed the hell out of them in the past, and caused alot of trouble in our groups...
i didn't read all the posts before i posted.....
like i said, i'm in my corner now with my dunce hat on............ sorry guys...
 
Whatever is being said about me here is not important, i.e. my mental status.
Usualy the ones who are mental are very sane, and know it! lol! (ok joke)
Matt? Was that not you i talked to about Lizards? You are into Monitors? Did you not have an advertisment on an auction or Kingsnake or someplace? I remember talking with a Matt, he was nothing but nice, and told me all about his lizards. Said he just got back from a "vacation".

I wanted to purchase one. You (if this is you) told me how puppy dog tame they get, and how they eat out of your hand etc. You gave me alot of good info. about these animals!

My daughter just got off myspace. You have a username that you put here in another thread, you did mention a person Chaos...something. Yes chaosreptiles, that is who i did buy from. Well, she searched reptiles, and yes, you and Dan (Chaos AD) are there, as well as alot of others. I did not spam any groups. Go read what is written by some of you. I was NOT on myspace. Do you have any idea how easy it is to get many pictures of your neighbor and build a fake profile? That's insane.

Why are you saying i tried to give telephone sex...we talked about your passion for monitors! I wanted to buy one. You told me that you had soem personal problems at the moment...ok, i wont disclose anything that you told me about you. This forum is not for that reason.

You where very nice. I gave you my number through an add??? Or you gave me yours?? I talk to ALOT of people about reptiles.

I think this is you. Please clear this up...i have come to the conclusion that Dan and i are through.

I am only at a loss for the proper papers promised to me on the sale of the snake. Now i don't even have that.

I did not mention the snake to you however...that part is odd.

And i told you i had to go it was late here, you said ok, take care. I said the same.

I have no issues with you. Because you kow Dan you have to say this about me?

Dan is a business man he can handle this paper work thing himself. I hope he does but if not i did not get what i paid for in my opinion.

I only want the proper documents as promised on my snake. That's all. If i don't get them i write it off.

It's not a loss to chaosreptiles if i don't do business with them again.

If this is a different Matt i don't think anyone needs you coming here telling a lie about me and trying to be mean for Dans sake.

If you're Matt with the Monitors we talked about (as it seems you are) why do you jump in here saying this about me? I spammed groups? That is absurd! That is way out of control now!

I hope you never have anyone make a fake profile of you, being a guy and all. I worry about this fake profile thing alot now...

I have changed pass words to emails, and some other boards i am on. And made changes to who comes and goes on this computer when i am not here. As well as i have NO control if people have to play a game on others by getting into their computer.

I emailed a person one day, and he told me what i was running. My computer. That scared me, and he was an IT person. I am be naive when it comes to forgrtting to log off. Now i am not.

I need to stop this myspace thing. Why would anyone want to be there to bother others? And from what my daughter just showed me you, and some others there are doing a fine job of harrassment on myspace.

But, me i never did anything to you. I wanted a monitor! You where very nice...You even had another guy there, your partner you said.

Feel free to email me if this is you, and i'm pretty sure it is. My email is posted.

Hope you're doing fine. shit...

Pamela
 
After this i am done with it all. Because i do have my pictures online, and it would not be hard to fine me i am sure. If i knew where they all are that I have put up, i would take them down. But i was moderating another board, so i post pictures.

That board got hacked! LOL, so they should be gone.

Any pictures pop up without my permission and there will be a problem, These pictures are copyrighted! Not for reproduction.

This is about a purchase and wrong papers. OK, the seller admite wrong papers. So, where are the right papers?
That is my sole purpose for being here!

Anything else flamming me here will be reported and documented. Read the TOS, we can do this as adults people.

Seems many are just jumping on the bandwagon to me, because it's the internet and they can.
 
Sorry to those who read this...spelling errors
 
Papers, papers, papers, all you keep rambling on about now are papers. Speaking of papers, show us the papers you got when you took the snake to the vet on the 4th of July, you can't can you? You never took that snake to a vet did you? Lies, lies and more lies. Your best bet is to slink back to wherever it was you were before posting this thread and let it settle down to the bottom of the heap; it can rest there peacefully along with your reputation as a buyer.
 
Sry about your animal Kairo. But I must say I'm not surprised if it did indeed came from someone who vends the Cleveland show.

The Cleveland show is sad 99% of the people who sell reptiles there are in it for the money animals be dammed! Witch is a sad part of our hobby.

Myself and a few others are working with (city of Brook Park) where the show
is held to have it shut down. Or have something put in place to help safeguard
the buyers who attend this sad show from buying a sick animal.

Other things being talked about is a vendor MUSThave a license to sell reptiles within the city limits. And MUST provide to buyer with paper work on said animal. Or offer a 90 day period on said reptile.
 
Ball Nation said:
Sry about your animal Kairo. But I must say I'm not surprised if it did indeed came from someone who vends the Cleveland show.

The Cleveland show is sad 99% of the people who sell reptiles there are in it for the money animals be dammed! Witch is a sad part of our hobby.

Myself and a few others are working with (city of Brook Park) where the show
is held to have it shut down. Or have something put in place to help safeguard
the buyers who attend this sad show from buying a sick animal.

Other things being talked about is a vendor MUSThave a license to sell reptiles within the city limits. And MUST provide to buyer with paper work on said animal. Or offer a 90 day period on said reptile.
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Thank you very much. Really, this is good to know. You gave me some info. i can go on. This is what is needed to keep me on the right track.

As i know you have read, i got incorrect papers on a snake that came from a show. Needing papers on this animal and who bred it out is extremely important for many reasons to many people, i'm not sure how many people may realise this. At this point now i don't even have a reciept of purchase. This does in my state put me in some grey areas. I want to do lectures again...no one is afraid of a baby boa. i can't in many places without paperwork. I have no idea why Fl. can be so tough on us at times but i do need a reciept not just a copied out papypal confirmation.

Also yes to the poster above...PAPERS! I was promised proper papers on this snake.
 
Ball Nation said:
Sry about your animal Kairo. But I must say I'm not surprised if it did indeed came from someone who vends the Cleveland show.

The Cleveland show is sad 99% of the people who sell reptiles there are in it for the money animals be dammed! Witch is a sad part of our hobby.

Myself and a few others are working with (city of Brook Park) where the show
is held to have it shut down. Or have something put in place to help safeguard
the buyers who attend this sad show from buying a sick animal.

Other things being talked about is a vendor MUSThave a license to sell reptiles within the city limits. And MUST provide to buyer with paper work on said animal. Or offer a 90 day period on said reptile.
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This is an off the wall post, that has nothing to do with this deal. If you want to gripe about that show, start a new thread. Make sure to come armed with facts that can be proven.
 
Dan is a business man he can handle this paper work thing himself. I hope he does but if not i did not get what i paid for in my opinion.
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Dan has handled the paperwork thing. Because of you rants, he will no longer deal with you. You paid for a Healthy, feeding RTB. That is what you recieved, as evident by your own admission. You said he arrived fine, and ate twice for you.


This is about a purchase and wrong papers. OK, the seller admite wrong papers. So, where are the right papers?
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No it is not. First it was about finding Tim, then flaming chaos, then a sick animal, then accusing others of disease infested collections, the denying any bad husbandry on your part, then lying about vet visits, then bad shipping (which was in all actuality perfectly acceptable), then wrong papers, and now it should be about finding you the correct meds to fix your mental complications.


I was NOT on myspace. Do you have any idea how easy it is to get many pictures of your neighbor and build a fake profile?
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I thought it was your ex-boyfriend that hacked your myspace? Maybe you were speeking rhetorically. I hope.



**Also, can one of the mods run an IP check on ball nation? He joined today, and owns a comic book shop. Comic book shops still exist? Some of the gramatical errors, and sentence structure seem all too similar to this crazy lady.**
 
jsrocket said:
This is an off the wall post, that has nothing to do with this deal. If you want to gripe about that show, start a new thread. Make sure to come armed with facts that can be proven.
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My post has everthing to do with her post.Has the snake shes got came from a guy who vends the Cleveland show!
 
Ball Nation said:
My post has everthing to do with her post.Has the snake shes got came from a guy who vends the Cleveland show!
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No your post is an attack on the vendors of the cleveland show. Kario has made her case a mess all by herself. She once has the seller willing to work with her now she is on her own. talk about shooting yourself in the foot :thumbsup:
 
GDReptile said:
IP check! IP check!
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I was told yes by Dan, yes the Cleveland show.

And NO, that is not me posting!!!!!!!

Please IP check. It's NOT me!
 
My post has everthing to do with her post.Has the snake shes got came from a guy who vends the Cleveland show!
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This thread isn't about the Cleveland Show. It wasn't in its' title and the animals were not purchased there. You sound like PETA to me.
 
GDReptile said:
Dan has handled the paperwork thing. Because of you rants, he will no longer deal with you. You paid for a Healthy, feeding RTB. That is what you recieved, as evident by your own admission. You said he arrived fine, and ate twice for you.



No it is not. First it was about finding Tim, then flaming chaos, then a sick animal, then accusing others of disease infested collections, the denying any bad husbandry on your part, then lying about vet visits, then bad shipping (which was in all actuality perfectly acceptable), then wrong papers, and now it should be about finding you the correct meds to fix your mental complications.



I thought it was your ex-boyfriend that hacked your myspace? Maybe you were speeking rhetorically. I hope.



**Also, can one of the mods run an IP check on ball nation? He joined today, and owns a comic book shop. Comic book shops still exist? Some of the gramatical errors, and sentence structure seem all too similar to this crazy lady.**
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Stop the flamming! And wont you be the fool when you hear it's NOT ME.

This IS INFO. i need.

When someone tries to help, you will start yet again.

I was wronged. How many times will you hear this? AND an innocent mans name was sent to me. Would you be pissed? Sure you would if it did not get cleared up?
 
Jim O said:
Exactly what I was thinking.
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OMG PETA does not get involved with this...Are you people reading!
 
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