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HCE-Kingsnake ad. fishy?

Craig....no offense meant to you...

but if you paid lots of money.....then you have some VERY expensive normal females.
 
Craig,

I would assume that if they are microchipped they are 100% heteros, am I right?

Regards.
 
I meant who produced the het piebalds?
Because he has been producing hets from his piebald since middle of last year.
Unfortunately the piebald that fathered them was only bought by him recently.

In other words......how can his newly acquired piebald father the clutches from middle of last year?

and if he is so successful at producing hets......can he post some of his pieds that he has produced?

or does he still have the one (1).

also if he is so successful, why the sudden change from digital reptiles to HCE reptiles. And why the change in e-mails as well? And why is it all timed with his purchasing of Lots of normal ball pythons?

Questions that he refuses to answer.
Even though he has the link to this thread.
Shoot he was even posting pictures of all his different tiger retics. unfortunately they were all the same snake.

Harry is still harry.
He still ives in BF south carolina.
He still has questionable animals.
He just changed his "business" name
 
Thanks for sniffing these out guys. As always I have been cruising the adds for balls and I've seen these adds. I suspect y'all may have just saved me some money. Probably a lot of others as well.
Thanks
 
Who are they from?
Who microchipped them?
who produced them?
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I would like to see Ritchie's questions been answered.

Regards.
 
Just wanted to let you guys know I did check the numbers on the chips they were exactly what he said.I know it does not cost much to put a chip in a normal. Maybe I got screwed maybe I got a good deal on some hets if you can not tell me for sure which maybe you should keep your negative opinions to yourself until you have any kind of proof to offer. So far all I have heard are they can't be hets because ritchie says they are not hets. I know now everone will flame me for three days and say how stupid I was for buying them. maybe you are right some of the things you guys point out sound suspicious. If someone can tell me they bought anything from him and were not happy I will be happy to hear from them, but so far not one person that I have heard from can say he ripped them of.I did find my receipt also I just did not look hard enough. Read this with any tone you want I am not looking for a fight it just bothers me that someone is ruining someone else's reputation with no real proof he is a con-artist. and how many people just follow blindly because certain other people say so. Craig Kade
 
I am sorry I forgot to say he produced them I was typing when alvaro was getting his post in. He also tells me he has 6 eggs in the incubator right now from his pied pair. I can not tell you the name of the vet that put them in but I do have the stickers. Craig Kade
 
Craig,

You are right, the only way to know will be now to prove them. When do you expect to have them bred? Assuming you breed them to another 100% hetero male, you will have to breed them maybe 3 times or more to increase the statistical chances of getting a pied. So maybe you will find out 2-3 years from now (if you can re-breed your females every year, which is not easy) after they are bred for the first time.

Regards
 
I will be getting a pied male this year. I don't even want to tell you how much for because you wouldn't beleive it. Hopefully next year I will be able to breed them. I think a lot of people are going to be very surprised at the drop in pied prices this year. I have talked to some the smaller guys and I think you will be suprised what they will sell them for. If you need Pete or Ralph orKevin to sign your receipt they will probably still be getting 20k+per pr. maybe more but a lot of little guys can't afford to turn down say 10k per pair. I am not sayng it is wrong to buy from the very best breeders.I just can't afford their prices, and most people that will sell cheap don't even post it anymore because then people ride them and try to degrade them.Craig Kade
 
Craig,

I do believe you. The market is really slow and hey, 10k is still a good chunk of money for a couple of snakes.

Good luck!
 
You people need to RESEARCH Better!

First of all, Craig you have nothing to worry about. The hets that you bought are 100% legit. I have been talking to Harry for several months now and have purchased several Ball pythons from him in the meantime all in excellent condition. I research everyone that I buy from in great detail now due to an incident that happened late last year(posted on Fauna. BOI "Dead Ball Thread" take a look at it. This was a hard leason learned.) I am also in current talks with him to buy his entire Ball python collection. He is thinking about getting out of the business because of all these YAHOOS who don't know what the hell they are talking about and do little to no reasearch on things and jump to unjustified verdicts. With no substantial evidence to back up any of their claims(he is over it). I will hopefully soon be able to see his Facility( i am making arrangements to look at thier facility and all their animals). I have gotten pics from them of one of their Pied Breeder Males and not the one they just bought from Pete Kahl. I have also spoken to someone that says they know a legit breeder who has been to their facility and has seen what they have and they are legit. Second, as for the add posted for the Adult Pied Female which sold in # min. The add was posted several days before Ritchie saw it because I tried to buy the Female from them that Day and they told me that it was sold that they were just waiting on the money( so there you go Ritchie). Ritchie why come to defend yourself on this site if you allready have a bad name? No one would believe Harry just because of all the negative stuff that has allready been said. Obviously eveyone here thinks there are full of Crap and scam artist. So why even bother? Thrid. No offense Troy but if I were to put 10 10 lots of baby normal Ball pythons side by side there is no way in hell that you would be able to pic out the 20 ball pythons that you produced or sold, I don't care how long you have doing this or how many animals you have seen or produced. Anyone who deals with ball pythons would and should say the same thing, because they know that you claims are out of this world. There is no way in hell that you could have reconized a normal out of a 20 lot, come on man that is just silly. Unless you were 100% sure that the animal in question was yours and a normal you had no business at all posting that It "MIGHT" be a normal( that is total bulls**t). You have every right to post that you sold this person normals and that you nothing about them but that is as far as it should have gone( your claims are not justified). Also just to let all of you know, Harry WHOLESALES animals, therefore requries large # of all types of animals. So let me just say something to all of you, do your research a little better and come with facts and evidence to back you s**t up or shut your damn mouths. This is how people get bad reputations with these unjustified claims and that is total BULLS**T and REALLY pisses me off and should piss you of also. Just because it sounds to good to be true does not always mean that it is not( but most of the time it is, that is why you have to do real research on things not just go buy someones hearsay). Well I will keep everyone posted on the purchase of the Ball Colony. Sorry for any missed spelled words. Good Luck to all those who deserve it. Thanks for looking. Below is pic of one of Harry's Pied males with a female.

Charles Christopher Gauch aka Paco
owner of Crazy Colored Reptiles

"opinions are likes A**HOLES, everone has one, some just stink worse than others"
 

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Paco, what kind of research have you done exactly on this Harry person?

I am not trying to be offensive, but I've been screwed by people I've known for a long time before, so unless you have something else other than talking to Harry the last few months about how good he is, I'm thinking your research methods need to be upgraded a bit. Like I said, I don't know for sure, but hopefully your research into who Harry is and what kind of business he does is based on more opinions and facts than Harry's alone.

Also, I can totally agree that an air of suspicion comes up when you see someone that you just sold a couple 10 lots of normal babll pythons to all of a sudden selling possible hets and hets. There are enough scam artists in the het and possible het arena, so hopefully you too can see where the questionability of Harry's hets comes in. I am not saying one way or the other whether he is a scammer or not, but buying 10 lots of ball pythons and then suddenly having hets and possible hets for sale would make me do a suspicious double-take.

When it comes to being able to tell one ball python out of 20, I would normally agree with you, but the more I think about it, I would have NO problem picking out my little ball python from the crowd. Why? Because I know his markings about like the back of my hand, but then again, he is also the ONLY one I have had for a while now, so I am a little more familiar. If I had a couple hundred running through my hands, then I would probably have a problem.
 
Hello Charles

I believe that the reason Harry Eisenmann is on the "bad Guy" list is because Ritchie and some other members here have caught him misrepresenting and lieing about animals he had, follow this link below and maybe you'll change your opinion of him.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10219&highlight=digital+reptiles

If Harry is legit, have you ever asked yourself why no one else except you has come forward to defend him ???

What about all of the breeders that he purchased the Pieds, Hets, and everything else he's tried selling, why have non of them come forward to verify that he's legit ?

Not trying to make Harry look bad ( he's already done this to himself ) , but there are ALOT of questions that need to be answered and he's never answered or confirmed any of them honestly.

In my opinion, I would be weary of purchasing anything from him that isnt a homozygous animal.
 
Well,
Two weeks ago, I bought a female 100% het piebald from a trustworthy seller, who has been in the market for a while. The het was produced by H.C.E., microchipped, and came with receipt, which stated guarantee genetic for life.
Then this threat was started, and I was nervous, thought that I did good research and chose the right seller and still get scam.
I contact my seller, had some heat with him. Through our email exchanged, not only my seller responsed to any questions that I asked, but he also showed me all email from Harry responsed to him. I for once thought that Harry could just buy a bunch of normal, a piebald for his picture, and microchipped the normal and sold them as 100% het with lifetime guarantee and then vanish in the air. However, those are just assumption without proof. On the other side, Harry kept good communication with my seller which is not common for a scammer, because they should be vanish once they are reavealed. This made me to reconsider, and give Harry a benifit of the doubt. Also, my seller is so excellent that he gave me his personal guarantee on top of the lifetime guarantee from Harry.
So, unless anyone has some solid proof of Harry Eisenmen sold a bogus het, I think Harry deserves a benefit of the doubt. I will keep everyone informed on the genetic of the pied that I bought, since I have a male 100% het that I bought from Snake Keeper that I am going to use on her. Also, I am trying to find someone here in southern California, who can help me to scan the chip to find out if she is legit. I may be scammed, may be not. The future will give an answer. In the mean time, if you feel comfortable to buy animals produced by H.C.E., do it. If not, then leave them alone. We shouldn't fight over something that doesn't have solid proof. Also, he may made mistake in the past, or affliated with some bad deals in the past, but if he is willing to correct it, shouldn't we give him a chance. He changed his company name to H.C.E. probably because he wanted his company under his name (Harry Eisenmen). Just like I am going as Boavoyage, but was thinking of switching to Kali KonstrictoRegius, since I own and work with not just boa only, but ball python also. Peace out everyone.;)
 
You may want to go to your local humane society that is where I had mine scanned.They put the same chips in dogs. make sure they can scan avid chips though.There are 2 different brand and they can not scan each other
 
Below is pic of one of Harry's Pied males with a female.
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Hey look.

Its Harry's pied male.
The one that fathered last years clutch.
The one that he just bought not to long ago.


It would be easy to defend himself.
all he has to do is take pictures of his pieds.
the father and the ones he produced.

Need I remind you he was showing us pictures of his tiger retics.
He was selling hets as usual. The "mother" was the same size as the "daughter". They even had the exact same head markings. They were also taken on the exact same blanket.

He never produced any other pics.

And he deals with tigers super tigers pied ball pythons....
and he has what? One picture?
To defend himself....
He can take his Numerous Pieds. (specially the one that fathered last years clutch) and put it on todays newspaper and take a picture.
and take a picture of the one he just bought too.

do little to no reasearch on things and jump to unjustified verdicts.
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Okay I will do the research since you asked me.

If Harry is legit, have you ever asked yourself why no one else except you has come forward to defend him ???
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I did my Reasearch Like paco wanted me too. The reason Chris/Paco is the only one to defend Harry is because
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15881&perpage=10&pagenumber=1
SURPRISE !! Chris buys Harry's "het" pieds and sells them. He brokers them.

I also did a little more research. Chris /Paco complains of receiving a dead het pie bald from some other guy
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/for...d=9515&perpage=10&highlight=Paco&pagenumber=1
And after thrity (30) pages. Not a single picture of the dead ball python. Follow the link and read for some interesting reading. He refuses to show proof of the supposedly dead animal.



Chris it is simple.....all he has to do is post pics of his pieds.
He can afford thousands of dollars in pieds....
He should be able to afford a $75 digital camera.


The customer asked for pics of the father....
The only pic he provided was of a pied that he just bought.
 
What about all of the breeders that he purchased the Pieds, Hets, and everything else he's tried selling, why have non of them come forward to verify that he's legit ?
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If they can come and say they sold to him long enough ago to produce last year then cool.

But if they come and say they sold to him this year..... uncool specially since he produced last year.


All we really need are a couple pictures.
The father.
The female that sold.
And the one he just bought.

All these people buying his het pieds and only one guy (paco) asked for a pic?
 
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