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HCE-Kingsnake ad. fishy?

Those are some pics that He sended me before I adquired the animals.

(I have more pics of pied male ( Same in the photo ) with normal females on top! )

He had offered several times to visit his place But I live in miami And It's kind of hard to get the time and money to visit him.

I have more animals on my way from his stock.




I'm not defending or proving anything here, just giving my two cents on this problem.
 
Steven,

Thanks for posting the picture. Nobody doubts (well at least myself) they own "that" piebald. What has been questionéd though is the time frame between when that animal was acquired and when all his hetero offspring started to show-up in the market. What has been also questioned is why they were never able to provide one single picture of the piebalds they claim to have produced, and yet they were always sold. Will you buy a piebald without seeing pictures first? As a buyer of his animals maybe you have acces to information with regards to who bought those piebalds. Because there are a lot of heteros and 66ers out there but we have yet to see one of the piebalds. And believe me, I'm not saying they haven't produced any, I'm just saying nobody has seen them so far. Did you buy from HCE directly? Do you have paperwork guaranteeing their genetics for life? What does the paperwork look like? Are there signed pictures that come with the paperwork? Because if there are not, how are you going to prove several years from now that that those are the same snakes you bought from them? You may want to ask now for signed pictures of those heteros. After all it's your investment and you need to protect it.

Thanks again.
 
here'a pic of a receipt!!
 

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He has sended me pics of the animals he is going to send me with his business name in the midle.
 

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I also have the receipt of the male pied that he has..

He was purchased in 07/08/99

It states

1.0 pied ballCB'99 MK573 kahl line!!
 
You know what is weird?
He has been selling het pieds and possible het pieds since last year. Shoot he has also been selling pieds (supposedly) last year too.

But we have not seen pictures until this year.
I also know he just bought a pied this year.
Ask your self. What is a guy producing NUMEROUS pieds and producing numerous hets. What is he doing buying a pied and buying lots of normal ball pythons.

I would like to see a picture of that receipt of his pied.
 
Steven,

That I'll have to give him, the paperwork looks fine and the animals are microchipped. That is even more than other breeders are doing. It's also good that you requested signed pictures (those two look nice!). Just out of curiosity, what did he tell you the 66ers for?

Regards.
 
I am very careful as well when buying hets and expecially poss hets.

I did my own research on hce And I came to the conclusion that there's more weight to the fact that animals are indeed hets!

And alvaro, I didn't paid cash for those poss, I did a trade with him for a big female Het albino!!! ( so If he comes out with albinos this or next year, please don't think they're feakes!:D
If you need any poss He'll be more than happy to respond any questions you may have over the phone!!

another point of view That I have about them changing their bussiness name is why would some scamer change his business name but continue with the same e-mail, adress, phone number and name>???????

And I think Digital Reptiles is a very stupid name, I would change it too as collection grows!!

A scamer will change everyhting and become a new identity.. wouldn't they??

I am aware of him doing trades for other morphs with people I know, This include ( albino boas, het g. stripes, het albinos, albino atrox and others!! ) I won't mention any names As I don't have permition from those people.. but I'll know That If he comes out with new stuff next year I'll know THe source!!
 
That is another think I didn't like At the beggining

But hey we all have seen the pied male!!
And he is an adult without doubt!!
 

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I am aware of him doing trades for other morphs with people I know, This include ( albino boas, het g. stripes, het albinos, albino atrox and others!! ) I won't mention any names As I don't have permition from those people.. but I'll know That If he comes out with new stuff next year I'll know THe source!!
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Okay all these people you know got hets and possible hets.

RoyalReptiles bought 1.3 hets and 0.2 possible hets
Craig Kade bought 0.2 hets
Pacoq69 aka Charles Christopher Gouch has several (HETS)
boavoyage has 0.1 het
Chuck T has hets.

All these people were given pictures of the "father" piedball
All htese people were probably given pictures of their hets and possible hets.

Quick question. Where are all the people who supposedly bought his pieds? Also where are the pictures of his pied babies?
Oh I forgot. No pictures of pieds because they all sold the very same day they hatched. Funny thing is I have a friend who is interested in 1.1 pieds. Of course he won't give her a picture because "they have not shed or fed yet" He also won't send her a picture of the parents. The parents were supposedly a pair of pieds. But I will tell her to keep after him. After all if he sells his pieds as cheaply as he sells his hets.....then she can't go wrong if they actually do exist.
 
is it just me....

or doesnt Donnie and Robbie even know how to spell their own names ??

receipt shows Donnie and Robbie RaTTley

Photo copy of Business card shows Donnie and Robbie raTley

strange........
 
Steven,

I'm really glad you posted all this information. Let's hope to see some pictures of any of the piebalds he claims to have produced in the past. If you happen to know of one of his clients please ask him/her if he could post in this thread.


Thanks again.
 
let me tell a little story.
People are going around selling authentic World War One Swords.
These swords are so authentic that they are stamped with the words World War One. Want to know what is funny? In World War One....they did not know it was world war one. So how can they have a sword printed with the words world war one?

And if you are not following. Let me spell it out.
That Receipt is the fakest thing to come out of Harry from Digital Reptiles aka HCE. The only thing faker are his hets.

How do I know it is a fake?
In 99 harry had no idea his name was gonna be HCE INC. In fact up until December 2002 he was still going by the name Digital Reptiles. It was not until 2003 That he changed his name to HCE INC

That is the fakest thing to come out of HCE /Digital Reptiles besides his fakeanimal hets
 

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How do I know it is a fake?
In 99 harry had no idea his name was gonna be HCE INC. In fact up until December 2002 he was still going by the name Digital Reptiles. It was not until 2003 That he changed his name to HCE INC
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Steven,

Ritchie made a good point there as they were going by Digital Reptiles in 99'. The only possibility (granted farfetched) is that they might have always been HCE INC for buying purposes but sold their offspring as "Digital Reptiles".

Regards.
 
Ritchie - Ritchie - Ritchie

Man, you're good!! I'm at a lost for words...I really don't think anybody else would have picked that up, at least not that quickly!! Nice observation.
 
The only possibility (granted farfetched) is that they might have always been HCE INC for buying purposes but sold their offspring as "Digital Reptiles".
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Perhaps I am so new to the business world that I have no clue how business is done. I did not know a legally Incorporated company can buy as one company and sell as another. Must be a real big mess come tax time.
 
well people.

Please don't forget That doney ratley has been one of the biggest scamers in the last years. So I won't find any surprice In finding a spelling error while he roved people and did other miserable things!!

I think hce is his name.
Harry and bruce eisenmann, if I'm not wrong..

So I don't see any problem In the receipt stating HCE,

If I buy any animal to a person and I state That My name is " pokemon Reptiles" I'm sure the receipt will say That, But My real name Is Royal Reptiles, And that is what I use and do my taxes in!

In any case Like I said before We all seen the pied, right?

I'll try to get pics Of his babies or other pieds Different from the one we all know.

I'll kep you posted..
 
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