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HCE-Kingsnake ad. fishy?

Ahh

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I'm not defending or proving anything here, just giving my two cents on this problem.
And I'll like to get it resolved as my money is in game as well.
 
You are not getting it.
HCE INC was not his business name in 99
The receipt says HCE inc.
up until december 2002 his business name was Digital reptiles.

okay I will drop it.
Just find someone who has actually bought some real pieds.

It is really funny that he holds on to the hets for months at a time. But is pieds which are double or tripple the price....those sell out rather quickly. They are spoken for before they are born.
Just like Jesse Underhill. And still no pictures. Just like the aforementioned.


Anyway good luck to you. If those prove out. Props to you.
If they don't. I am really sorry for your getting scammed
 
Okay Steven one last favor.
Do you have a photo of that animal with a red background?
Does it look like the same animal to you?
Can you post it please pretty please.

I have one last final point. Could be a nail for Harry's Colfin
 
Well, I'm guessing the 100%ers are okay and it may be the 66%ers that are in question - I mean in all honesty what could anyone do?? I'm curious as to how many people have bought his "possibles" - maybe we can get some numbers here...if there's 4, 5, 6, or maybe even 7 - those may be believable numbers, but what if there's 20+??? I'm hoping all is good for you Steve. I'm bad at "speed reading" threads - so I may miss some specifics/details but may I ask if you've had the micro's checked?? Probrably a stupid question and it may have already been answered - and I missed it...sorry, if that's the case.

Again, I'm really hoping all is well for you, but man...I haven't seen this much stink raised on somebody selling possibles before, and I think there's plenty of people who've posted that Digital Reptiles were BAD NEWS all the way around.
 
Yes I'm a vet tech and have done x-rays in all animals ( They all have the microchipps )

The animal in the red background is another pied for sure,

All the animals in the receipt That I posted before are sold!
( The 1.3 hets were sold to Chuck T and I know He sold them as well!! ) The poss hets were sold to a guy in canada.

This is the one I'm talking about, I'll ask him how many breeder pieds he has. ??

The only animals I have from him right now are the sub adult pair

Chuck T, me and other breeders have been selling This hets to people And I Know THat there are several are out there, so I really hope They are hets As not only his name will be in the line But the people That sold his hets as well will have some trouble.
( just to clarify, I don't sell or distribute His animals, The only animals sold were the 1.3 and I haven't got any more babies since then!! )
 

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That is the only pied picture he ever posts. Well that and the new baby that was "mistakenly" told to someone as the father of last year's hets.

He supposedly has a female pied that mothered a clutch that hatched around the 18 of May.

But I have not seen a single pic of this "female". or the clutch.

I always see the picture of the baby he bought.
And the THAT father which you just posted.

Makes you wonder why in the world he would buy a pied baby just a couple weeks before he was suppose to have a whole clutch of them hatching.
 
The truth, I don't really know anything about him buying a baby pied..

From my point of view.

If I have a pied male Breeding since, Lets say 00-01 has breed several normal females and As Far as I know he kept some offspring, His holdbacks female hets should be almost If not ready to breed, I would buy another pied as well to avoid inbreeding? Don't you think??
 
what can I say???

I just don't know!!

I'll contact him as I am finishing my website to see If he can borrow me some new pics of his pieds to put in the pied section..

I just which I had the money and time to visit his place!!!
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Steven,
Just curious, why did you sell the hets to Chuck T. and poss. hets to another guy in Canada? Do you know why Chuck T. sold his hets? Do you know if Chuck T. keeps any hets for himself?
 
Does anyone know the name of the person in Canada who bought the heteros and possible heteros? It's probably just a coincidence, but on another thread on this page there is a person from Canada selling heteros and possible heteros from Kahl bloodline also.

Regards.
 
I did a trade for some animals with chuck T.

I have no idea if he keeps any for himself, But I know He does trades With harry and has sold severals of his hets.

I posted the poss hets in kingsnake and the guy from canada purchased them, I prefer Not to mention his name As He is a good customer and I don't have permition, but as far as I know he only has this two and he doen't sells them.
 
Sorry to stir this pot again, but I was wondering something. I was told that most het pieds have a certain mark on them, I was told like 9 out of 10 of them have this mark. Has anyone else heard this before. If you have, how reliable do you beleive it is. I know it is not 100%, but I am wondering what you guys think. If someone had 3 "het pieds" from someone and none of them had this mark would you doubt that they were hets? And if they did have the mark would you be more inclined to believe they are hets? If you have not heard anything about this please disregard. Thank you. Craig Kade
 
Good question...

These "marks" have come up in conversation with some of the more reputable breeders I know and talk with frequently. All have agreed that although some of these "true hets" may have these markings - others may not. It seemed they were also in agreement (after producing Pieds consistently for quite a few years now) that this was not a dependable method of pre-decifering het animals. I've heard it was a "secret" kept between some breeders, but I do not believe that. BP's although very quite differently (Normals) also share alot of the same characteristics (ie: aliens) and these markings in question are also fairly common. I've spoken with some who said their 100% hets have these marks - I've spoken with others that say their 100% hets do not...sorry I couldn't give you any concrete evidence either way.
 
I guess Harry Eisenman otherwise known as HCE otherwise known as Digital Reptiles is no longer putting his name on his ads.
Looks like he is no longer putting his name on his pictures either.

Below is a link to his most recent ad
http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=32&de=102650

How do I know it is him?
Same tired piebald picture which he mated to his 20 gazillion females so he can produce 20 gazillion fake hets.

anyway On the 18th of May. Harry had a clutch of piebalds (or so he says) Anyone see any pictures yet? Or where they all sold before they were born?

Below is another picture of the same male. Only this time it does not come with all the HCE markings. Wonder what he will change his name too now.
 

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oh yeah.
and just to refresh your memory.
I will enclose the receipt Harry has for his piebald.
If you look at the name on the calling card. And if you look at the name on the receipt....They do not match. How can someone mispell their own name? Unless it was a FAKE

And if you look at the receipt....the piebald was sold to HCE Reptiles in 1999. Unfortunatley...Back then Harry was still called Digital Reptiles. It waas not until 2003 did he change his name do HCE. And why did he change? Because he was selling fake het retics.
 

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Well guess what?

I did buy one of the male pieds He produced from that clutch....

I don't have the animal yet as he want's to feed it more before sending him to me..

Will post pics after I have him...


And believe me That at those prices all the pieds sell the first day!!
 
Well guess what?

I did buy one of the male pieds He produced from that clutch....

I don't have the animal yet as he want's to feed it more before sending him to me..

Will post pics after I have him...


And believe me That at those prices all the pieds sell the first day!!!
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That is interesting to me.
Because I have a local friend who was interested in buying for her husband a 1.1 I told her to go to the big breeders. But while she is at it...if they really exist. She can write to Harry.
Harry does not want to send her any pictures till they feed and shed. Harry does not want to take her money until they feed and shed. You telling me that all of a sudden they have fed and shed just for you?
 
You guys can fight over the prices and try to prove he's selling fakes or not..

The only thing that matters for me Is that I'm getting a beautiful animal For half the price..

The animals already eat once for him, He wants to feed them at least two more times before sending him..


I'll post pics when he gets here, If any problems arrive I'll post them as well.
 
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