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Heavy parasite load found in ball python from Ed Clark

ExecutiveReptiles said:
I am sorry to hear about your situation, but trying to drag someones name threw the mud (which weither your trying to or not...your doing so) becuase of possibly something you have done...ie are you feeding live, where do you get your rodents, has it been house with other ball pythons...there are so many unanswered questions....
These things have all been answered in the body of this thread.

ExecutiveReptiles said:
And I don't think I would respond to this thread if it was about me either...its insane...Again Sorry your snake has parasites, maybe you should take it to the vet, instead of trying to blame the person you bought it from almost a year ago...
I did take the snake to the vet--that's where I had the fecal done, got medication, got the vet report I posted, etc.


I am also trying to find out whether I got CBB holdbacks produced by Ed like I was supposed to or CH imports. There is no way to find that out without bringing his name into it (he won't respond to me privately).
 
So over the ten months you have had this snake, you had never noticed anything of concern up until now? It fed ok, shed ok, and I am guessing it deficated ok, but up until this recent defication is when you noticed the worms? All the other defications showed no signs?
 
To be fair, I have been banned with cause. I pointed out his flawed thinking of blanket banning Fauna Members and dragging my name into his ramblings. Doing so was a big no-no.
 
ExecutiveReptiles said:
So over the ten months you have had this snake, you had never noticed anything of concern up until now? It fed ok, shed ok, and I am guessing it deficated ok, but up until this recent defication is when you noticed the worms? All the other defications showed no signs?

Did you actually read the whole thread, or just skim?
:rolleyes:
 
I went to look at the thread that was posted in an earlier thread and that post has been removed. All the negative information about Ed has suddenly disappeared.... :shrug01:
 
Sorry I forgot to say the thread on fat frogs forums. There is a really good review about ed Clark reptiles though..
 
BOI , the best place to discuss transactions. Why is anyone on here dogging Emily for starting this thread. right ,wrong or indifferent , she posted what she believes. It is then up to YOU the readers of these threads to determine if you want to continue to do buseniss with Ed or not. Ed has EVERY right to also come on here to counter what she has said , friends of his will defend him , and in the end you can make a logical decision as to whether YOU believe in him or not. People use the BOI all the time to decide whether or not to do a transaction with someone, why should this be any different.
The fact that Ed will not respond at all, only tells me he is not a good businessman and that I personally would take my business elsewhere to someone who actually shows some form of moral character for people he has delt with in the past .
 
ExecutiveReptiles said:
I am sorry to hear about your situation, but trying to drag someones name threw the mud (which weither your trying to or not...your doing so) becuase of possibly something you have done...ie are you feeding live, where do you get your rodents, has it been house with other ball pythons...there are so many unanswered questions

.....And I don't think I would respond to this thread if it was about me either...its insane...Again Sorry your snake has parasites, maybe you should take it to the vet, instead of trying to blame the person you bought it from almost a year ago...

These questions were asked and they were not left unanswered. The buyer has stated numerous times that she does feed live, breeds her own feeder rats and practices quarantining new arrivals. She also has taken her snakes to the vet and posted the fecal float tests. The only one in her care to test positive was one that she acquired from Ed. The other two she purchased from him will be tested as soon as she can obtain a fecal sample to be brought in. Given they probably should have been tested much earlier, there is nothing that can be done about that now.

I know it's her word against his, but Ed hasn't even come here to address this issue one way or another. Remaining silent only makes it seem like he has something worth hiding which peaks many people's suspicion. He has claimed that his collection is frequently tested and all tests have been negative for parasites, yet he refuses to offer this proof to anyone.

I'm not a snake person myself, but Ed Clark has had some other beautiful, probably healthy animals posted for sale that I probably would have purchased before this thread came to light. I for one refuse to do business with anyone who could show such a blatant disregard for one of their customers or an animal that was once in their care. I also don't want to deal with anyone who just turns tail and runs at the slightest sign of a problem. It's not even so much the health of his animals that are being called into question but the way he has conducted himself through this ordeal that should make people think twice about ordering from him.

Emily didn't ask for any kind of reimbursement and I believe she honestly did post here to warn others about a possible parasite infestation obtained from his snakes. If months down the road another customer comes along with the same problem it gives us a past history, instead of her just saying "Oh, I knew about that all along, I just never said anything until now." This isn't some huge conspiracy theory "assassination attempt" against his name, and if so it would have surely been one against her own business as well.

This isn't to say that parasites absolutely, without a doubt, came from his collection, but this is something he should at least have tried to talk through and work out with her, on this board or off it. He doesn't owe her anything but his time. If an animal I sold ended up getting sick down the road, I'd sure as hell want to know about it whether it was my fault or not because I care about my animals even after they leave my possession. (Maybe that's just me.)

All this shows is who the seller is really looking out for: himself. If he had addressed this issue earlier on, this thread wouldn't be the spectacle it has become in the past few days. All it has allowed people to do is speculate and jump to conclusions about both parties because we are only hearing one side.

I've been reading this thread from the beginning, and I think it's something that should have been brought to this board's attention. I didn't know much of anything about these parasites before this issue was brought here, and it's definitely been an eye opener for me at least. If not for the knowledge of the parasites and how to treat/prevent them, than a warning of someone I may not want to deal with in the future.
 
Serafim said:
I went to look at the thread that was posted in an earlier thread and that post has been removed. All the negative information about Ed has suddenly disappeared.... :shrug01:

Yeah, sorry about that. I went and read that thread before having coffee this morning. And not having coffee, I naturally had to respond when it pissed me off.

Then someone actually used Bruce Stephenson's post as a good reference for Ed, so I had to ask this person if they realized they were talking about a grown man who believes he's a Jedi Knight.

Seems they don't have a sense of humor over there. :shrug01:
 
ExecutiveReptiles said:
I just skimmed, as there are 60+ pages of crap to read threw...so I guess your right, until I read every comment made, I should refrain from replying, which of course I am not going to, so I won't reply anymore...have fun peoples :thumbsup:
:wavey:
 
I just skimmed, as there are 60+ pages of crap to read threw...so I guess your right, until I read every comment made, I should refrain from replying, which of course I am not going to, so I won't reply anymore...have fun peoples :thumbsup:

Actually theres 71 pages....
 
cookreptiles said:
I am also trying to find out whether I got CBB holdbacks produced by Ed like I was supposed to or CH imports. There is no way to find that out without bringing his name into it (he won't respond to me privately).
I understand the points about the parasites and the time frame involved. But if you put those items aside, we're still dealing with a case of possible misrepresentation of the animals you were sold. I think you deserve to know if you received what you were told you were buying when you sent your money to Ed. Can't Ed at least address that part of the issue? Do Ed's supporters really think that it's ok to sell cheap imports as cbb holdbacks? I'll have to start making a list of the people who seem to think Ed has nothing to explain here so I can stay away from them as sellers.
 
Ed, do you realize that every time your name comes up in a new thread on the BOI or on an existing one, this thread will be linked to it? Of course you can taqke care of this situation and post those tests results, you will probably not since you stated "Not worried about it. I do enjoy a heated debate...its just pointless because I KNOW nothing like that can come out of my collection." Let me guess, you have a perfect collection? Can I turn up the heat on this debate?

You have no problem tearing someone a new hole over the price at which they sell their animals, a price which is lower then yours. Yet, you will not come here and defend the quality of your animals. Putting those two actions of yours together, my guess is your animals are not worth their price. I will inform those I know, of my opinion, that they should stay clear of your animals because you charge too much for sub-average specimens.

Just my opinion.
 
Roy Munson said:
I understand the points about the parasites and the time frame involved. But if you put those items aside, we're still dealing with a case of possible misrepresentation of the animals you were sold. I think you deserve to know if you received what you were told you were buying when you sent your money to Ed. Can't Ed at least address that part of the issue? Do Ed's supporters really think that it's ok to sell cheap imports as cbb holdbacks? I'll have to start making a list of the people who seem to think Ed has nothing to explain here so I can stay away from them as sellers.

Great post Dean.
That is exactly how I feel. Too much time has passed so any blame for the parasites cannot be tied to Ed....BUT.....He traded CBB holdback future breeders to Emily and when asked about the origins of the snakes, he said he needed to check and then just ignored her.
The issue that really disturbs me is that he may have passed off imports to get the geckos he wanted and lied about their origins just to make the deal.
I can tell exactly what animal I sold to what person over the years. It's not that tough. May take a hour or two of going thru old records but not days. Not only that but I sure as hell would remember who got animals that were originally slated as holdback breeders.

Ed, at least answer the question about what animals you sent her.
 
Hey mr. clark,

neener neener neener, you're such a .......

AAHAHAHahahAHAHAHAHAHAhhhahAHAHAHahahahaHAHahahahAHahahahahahahaha

pathetic excuse for a, well I guess....man.

But only becuase you're for sure not a chick.
 
SPJ said:
Ed, at least answer the question about what animals you sent her.
I think that it's pretty safe to say that Ed would have already answered these questions if he didn't have something to hide. An honest person (or at the very least a concerned person without anything to hide) would have been quick to respond to this.

When I started reading this thread, I thought that it was kind of ridiculous that people were trying to hold Ed's feet to the fire over snakes that had been out of his care for 10 months. My biggest question at that time was whether or not Ed might have been dishonest about the backgound of the snakes that he sold (which would be a real problem in my book). However, as this topic has gone on, Ed's silence seems to indicate that he has something to hide, and he knows good and well that he's not going to be able to lie his way out of it with the likes of Wes (not to mention everyone else involved) coming after him.

Ed, you should know that ignoring this problem is not going to make it go away. You just need to start being honest, and even though it may hurt more in the short run, it's the only way that you're going to be able to save face in the long run. Lying won't get you out of this, and neither will silence.
 
ECLARK said:
Emily, thanks for the message. dont remember if the Balls that I sent you were captive bred or captive hatched. will look into it to find out and get back to you.
We're still waiting for an answer Ed. The possible "mix up" or misrepresentation needs to be addressed.
 
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