Heavy parasite load found in ball python from Ed Clark

[Wilomn]

mr. clark!!!!! You're here.

Will you be taking any questions before you run away?

 

[SPJ]

Gotta love that frog forum.

Check out the rave review.
http://fatfrogs.7.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=985

Now see what they are REALLY like.
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101518

 

[shyne09]

Gotta love that frog forum.

Check out the rave review.
http://fatfrogs.7.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=985

Now see what they are REALLY like.
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101518

Hahaha!! God that made my night.


Mike

 

[cookreptiles]

If someone purchased geckos from me, said they were happy with them upon receiving them, never said anything to the contrary for almost a whole year, then contacted me and tells me the animals have 3 different parasites, what would I do? I would counsel them on steps they can take to erradicate them, and I would do some fecals on random animals in my collection, to ease my own *slight* worries but that is it.

If Ed had done that when I contacted him this post never would have be made. He won't even post here in this very thread, so it's pretty easy to understand why this couldn't be handled privately.

 

[brucestephenson]

Obviously an assassination attempt against Ed by Emily Cook and the person who talked her into making this thread in my opinion. I think you are going to get busted good here Emily and friend. I find it hard to believe that a person such as yourself could even think up the thread title. I bet you had alot of help planning this.

 

[cookreptiles]

I asked this before and haven't seen it answered... Emily, when you decided to come here and create this thread, did anyone else influence that decision? Did someone else encourage you to post here or suggest that it was an appropriate place to air your grievance? If so, who?

I posted here for two reasons: 1. Because I feel that it is important that others be aware of parasites in a snake that came from Ed so that they can take the proper measures with any of their own animals that came from the same source. 2. Because it was clear that Ed had no intention of addressing the issue privately.

It was fully my decision to post here and I believe that this is the appropriate place for such issues. I am motivated and influenced by my own conscience and desire to do what is right for the greater good of any animals involved.

 

[frankykeno]

Obviously an assassination attempt against Ed by Emily Cook and the person who talked her into making this thread in my opinion. I think you are going to get busted good here Emily and friend. I find it hard to believe that a person such as yourself could even think up the thread title. I bet you had alot of help planning this.

Good lord, do posts at the BOI get any worse than this? Look Bruce, just how demeaning do you intend to be to Emily as a person, a breeder, a keeper and a woman? Where do you get off questioning whether she's able to "even think up the thread title"? That's just bloody well rude!

You can disagree with her, believe she's wrong to bring this to the BOI, whatever in hell you want to but to accuse her of being someone's puppet, to infer that she too stupid to think up a thread title, or part of some sort of conspiracy....get off it Bruce. You know you are the type of person that does keep a lot of the smaller collection owners from coming here for help.

Maybe Emily is way off base and maybe she's not but she's shown herself to be a responsible person trying to do the right thing when a breeder ignored the issue at hand. She seems very concerned for her snakes and those that came from the same source and went out into many collections. She deserves a level of respect for that at the very least. Not questions about whether she's got the mental ability to write a damn thread title or is just somebody's little pawn!

 

[bud mierkey]

If Ed had done that when I contacted him this post never would have be made. He won't even post here in this very thread, so it's pretty easy to understand why this couldn't be handled privately.

with your definite lack of any type of reptile husbandry knowledge.
I dont see why ed would even reply to your childish bantering.
you try to blame someone else for your own ignorance.
if anyone is a bad guy its not ed it might be you!
how old are you? 10-12 sounds about right.

 

[crotalusadamanteus]

If Ed had done that when I contacted him this post never would have be made. He won't even post here in this very thread, so it's pretty easy to understand why this couldn't be handled privately

And there it stands IMHO. The proof is in the pudding.

Emily tried to settle this privately before coming here. Ed ignored that effort.

Ed made claims that he tests his collection randomly, yet won't offer even one shred of proof as to this. Emily on the other hand, has.

Emily is here trying to let people know, that MAYBE, it's in peoples best interest, if purchasing from Ed, to have their animals tested for parasites. Ed just says, "Not my animals".

Eds quarantine and keeping practices have come into question before. I can't find anything on Emily along those lines. Emily at least seems to have some sort of quarantine efforts in place.

Ed is still ignoring those requests, and refusing to post any answers or proof of his claims (at least on Fauna anyway). Emily is still here, in the open, with apparently nothing to hide, and offering her proof.

Emily buys CBB snakes, Ed imports wild stock, and has questionable quarantine practices.

Emily bought CBB animals from Ed. Ed has to look into whether he sent her the right animals. (that's a big clue right there IMHO)

Ed has been called out for shading doings before. I can't seem to find anything on Emily doing the same.

Now, I haven't kept my dislike for Ed's practices a secret by any means. I've even taken a step back to evaluate whether I am being truly fair or not, in this situation. But I do not think I am prejudiced in my way of thinking. For Ed to be so arrogant as to say "not from MY snakes" is just laughable at best. For Ed to ignore this, is just plain stupidity on his part. It's been long known that Ed is here to sell snakes. Not to try and offer something substantial to the community, but to make a buck. He's been called on falsely advertising, and advertising inappropriately in other peoples ads. His morals and ethics have come into question as well, on more than one occasion.

All I know is that of the 3 parasites mentioned, seems to me the only questionable one would be the Coccida. It has a direct lifecycle, which means no intermediate host is needed for the snake to stay infected, or even re-infect itself through fecal, housing, or water contamination.
The other two need intermediate hosts, and depending on the genera of the tapeworm, it may require TWO said host's to reach it's adult stage. Than it takes time to grow.

But I am hardly versed in Parasitology, so I admit to knowing the minimum about these types of things. Fortunately, I have ever only had one reptile with internal parasites, and that was many years ago. So my experience dealing with them is lacking somewhat.

I say for Emily to go ahead with the testing of the rest of her collection, not just as a safety measure for her animals, but to offer something more to back what she claims. I suspect they will come back clean.

I doubt Ed will offer what was asked of him. I really do hope he proves me wrong. I mean, she didn't ask for compensation, so why would You (Ed) be so defensive, and refuse to answer? Or offer those vet tests to clear, or add credence to your words? You HAVE randomly tested your animals like you claim, right? Should be a simple matter to post something to that affect in an effort to clear this up.

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

What happens if Emily finds parasites in her other animals?
Thus proving the parasites existed in her collection, possibly from her feeders.

This thread already looks bad for Ed...The title and first page is all a reader would generally see. Most don't take the time to go through pages and pages of posts.

I'm thinking it would have been better for Emily to FIRST test her collection BEFORE coming to the conclusion that it would be best to entitle a BOI thread "Heavy parasite load found in ball python from Ed Clark."

Hind sight, I know.

I think this thread should be put at a stand still until Emily can post fecal results for each and every animal in her collection (and Ed doing the same). No use bantering back and forth until proof is provided.

This has been a very educational thread though. Some very useful information on parasites! I think the info should be stickied somewhere on the forum.

 

[Cat_72]

Ed won't even reply to Emily's emails, or any of the other simple questions asked of him....do you REALLY think he's going to post any "proof"?

 

[KelliH]

If Ed had done that when I contacted him this post never would have be made. He won't even post here in this very thread, so it's pretty easy to understand why this couldn't be handled privately.

I agree that he is not being very responsive at all. I would be posting fecal test results right and left here if I were in his shoes. I don't understand that part.

 

[brucestephenson]

You people who are assassinating Ed just wait. When someone comes on here and complains when their leopard gecko or snake or whatever gets sick one year after you sell it to them, some folks are going to tear into you here on the BOI like pitbulls on red meat. Remember, you asked for it.

 

[doyle033]

with your definite lack of any type of reptile husbandry knowledge.
I dont see why ed would even reply to your childish bantering.
you try to blame someone else for your own ignorance.
if anyone is a bad guy its not ed it might be you!
how old are you? 10-12 sounds about right.

irony is a funny thing. but this quote comes from a guy who pretends to be a jedi. hahahahahah. and talk about childish bantering, between you and pal bruce, the two of you have added alot of posts with NO substance.
and bruce is no better, seriously commenting on peoples intelligence is a low blow when you pretend to be yoda! thankfully my son grew out of that phase when he turned eight years old.
and to get back on topic, the original poster seems to have a very good quarentine procedure which is more than ed has demonstrated in the past. what makes you presume that she has a definite lack of reptile husbandry knowledge? because a few posters here were uncertain of the prescription issued by her vet? or because she didnt do a fecal immediately? alot of other posters here have admitted the same thing. as long as they are still in quarentine, i see no reason to doubt her husbandry. it does call into question her ability to establish who is trustworthy, nothing more.

 

[SPJ]

You would think that Bruce, Bud and Ed were the same person by the way this is going.
Ed doesn't respond but bumps his ads up on this site while Bruce and Bud defend him.

 

[XDeus]

What happens if Emily finds parasites in her other animals?
Thus proving the parasites existed in her collection, possibly from her feeders.

No, that won't prove anything. Her other snakes could have just as easily been infected by Ed's snakes.

I don't think anyone is trying to prove where the parasites came from (which is impossible after 10 months), but instead the probability of where they originated.

Besides, the bigger issue here is how Ed has handled this entire situation. Any decent breeder would have produced breeding records and fecal reports as soon as they were contacted by the buyer.

 

[monkeywrench133]

Seeing as you and many others just can not get your mind around this aspect I will type it real obvious, THIS IS NOT ABOUT PLACING BLAME. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PLACING BLAME.

In a perfect world, you are absolutely corrct.

But this is the BOI.

And it involves Ed Clark.

Wes' own words on the subject:

I'm just saying that if you're looking for fair here, you're looking in the wrong place.

That says all that needs to be said as far as Wes is concerned.

If people are more concerned with placing blame, money and hurting reputations than being concerned about the well being of the animals themselves then maybe they need to get out of herps and into pet rocks.

Yeah, maybe.

Thank you for at least trying to point out what should be obvious.

 

[Wilomn]

My goodness monkey, do my words truly sting you so?

First you give me negative karma for telling the truth and now you seem to have some undifinable subtext, some hidden meaning, some part of you striking out at me in particular and others, to a lesser degree, in general.

Is it because I told you that your opinion was not necessarily correct? Was it because I pointed out that you accuse me of acting certain ways in certain situations, which you seem to see in an unfavorable light, yet you yourself do the exact same thing when it suits you?

At least I have ALWAYS said I am not the rod to measure by. It seems to me that you keep trying to put yourself and your selfcentered views as the best, neigh only, valid views on any situation.

Dude, talk about arrogant. At least I don't hide the fact that I am behind some pious front.

I don't think you're as good at doublespeak as you think you are simply becuase I'm not getting what the subtext of your posts insures me must be there.

Could ya dumb it down for an old slow clown like me?

Or maybe just try saying what you mean straight out instead of trying to be clever. Clever is not your strong suit.

 

[shrap]

In a perfect world, you are absolutely corrct.

But this is the BOI.

And it involves Ed Clark.

Huh? That makes zero sense and is completely irrelevant to what I was saying.

Wes' own words on the subject:


That says all that needs to be said as far as Wes is concerned.

Again, huh? This aint about Wes. Where the hell did that come from? Do you have deeply buried man love for Wes?

Yeah, maybe.

Thank you for at least trying to point out what should be obvious.

Maybe.... in your world I guess. There is no maybe about it in mine.

But I would like to say thank you for sharing Sid Haig with everyone!!! Sid Rocks!!

 

[Griz]

Sometimes Sammy/Wes people don't quite realize when they're over their heads....intellectual inabilities I reckon.....

Griz