Heavy parasite load found in ball python from Ed Clark

[Griz]

Ed, you should know that ignoring this problem is not going to make it go away. You just need to start being honest, and even though it may hurt more in the short run, it's the only way that you're going to be able to save face in the long run. Lying won't get you out of this, and neither will silence.

Trust me, there will be plenty of us who will make sure that this does not go away. Congratulations Ed, your reputation just hit the

Griz

 

[jasballs]

You all have seen the High dollar snakes ed has forsale/or has sold. This post has always bothered me.. Why post this and not (for example) Your black back lesser clutch? Congrats on your first clutch ever Ed, Now make sure they get a fecale exam also!!
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100396

 

[kbmxc]

I don't need or want a response from him. He has already shown who he is, so a lame attempt to cover his butt would only lead to a few hundred more posts that would only prove what is already known. He'll do whatever he thinks he can get away with.

K. Banks

 

[jsrocket]

As much as I hate too support "mob mentality", this is not looking too good for Ed.

 

[jsrocket]

Ed, for Cryin out loud, make a post. If you woulda just communicated with this customer at the get go, this thread would have never existed.

I have joined the ranks of people who would NEVER buy anything from you.

 

[crotalusadamanteus]

As much as I hate too support "mob mentality", this is not looking too good for Ed.

C'mon Jim. Mob mentality?

"Peer pressure" is a tool that has long been used in societies to get people to conform to the rules laid down by said society. It's used among our troops in the military on a daily basis as well. Ed wants to be a part of this society, he needs to play by the rules. Simply responding in an adult manner would have ended this long ago IMHO.

 

[frankykeno]

You know I have to wonder - what if this situation was flipped around and Ed got a bunch of gecko's from Emily in that trade that never did well, never gained properly and turned out to be full of various parasites? I bet dear old Ed would be screaming up and down the BOI wouldn't he, calling Emily every name in the book. Somehow I think Emily would have been a lot more interested in her animals, a lot more interested in her customer and a hell of a lot more forthcoming about things.

Just makes me go...hmmmmmmm.

 

[brucestephenson]

Classic mob mentality. A fine man being crucified for the pleasure and control of the masses. Pax Americana. Except for the Jedi, where are the Jeffersons and Washingtons?

 

[monkeywrench133]

You know I have to wonder - what if this situation was flipped around and Ed got a bunch of gecko's from Emily in that trade that never did well, never gained properly and turned out to be full of various parasites? I bet dear old Ed would be screaming up and down the BOI wouldn't he, calling Emily every name in the book.

And everyone on here would rightfully be berating Ed for trying to blame Emily for parasites in animals he'd had in his care for 10 months.

Except for the Jedi, where are the Jeffersons and Washingtons?

Bruce, really, pick up the phone and call the mental health hotline in your area. Tell them you are psychotic, and a danger to yourself, they'll send nice people to help you.

 

[Cat_72]

All the fighting... pointless.

The info presented here that is of use has nothing to do with "he said or she said" ... the names don't matter.

Protecting our precious pets, better testing procedures- this is something we can all evaluate. If one scrap of information here enables this, that is all that is to be gained.

Remove emotion, look for facts & ability to improve. There is no blame... there are only contributing factors on both sides.

No one is to blame that Ed "doesn't know" whether he sent her the CBB animals he said he did, or if they were actually CH?

The name of someone who may very well be selling CH animals and calling them clean, CBB animals doesn't matter?

Maybe that's all OK with you, but it DOES matter to ME.



Brucie, I think I heard them talking about building a Death Star over on that frog forum, perhaps you should stop polishing your light saber and show it off over there where they might appreciate it.

 

[romad119]

Classic mob mentality. A fine man being crucified for the pleasure and control of the masses. Pax Americana. Except for the Jedi, where are the Jeffersons and Washingtons?

Bruce,

The thread is about Ed Clark. You must be thinking of someone else....

 

[monkeywrench133]

No one is to blame that Ed "doesn't know" whether he sent her the CBB animals he said he did, or if they were actually CH?

I would like to see Ed set the record straight on that fact. If he did send her CH instead of CBB, then he definitely needs to make restitution to Emily.

 

[romad119]

I don't think we will hear a peep from Ed Clark on the matter. Some people have said its her word vs. his word. Well its her word vs. nothing right now. Silence is consent is a term we use in my job and it sounds to me that Emily must be 100% correct since Ed isn't disagreeing with her.

I think Ed takes decent pics of 'his' animals. Maybe that's what he should limit himself too. Doing a photoshoot on various types of parasites might be a good project for him.

 

[ExoticsExpress]

Classic mob mentality. A fine man being crucified for the pleasure and control of the masses. Pax Americana. Except for the Jedi, where are the Jeffersons and Washingtons?

Yes, you sure are helping Ed out in this situation. Nice to see he has the smartest Allies around. Just judging by your posts I wouldn't deal with Ed, because his circle of friends are just too clueless for my patience.

Anthony Allis
[email protected]

 

[NorthernRegius.com]

No one is to blame that Ed "doesn't know" whether he sent her the CBB animals he said he did, or if they were actually CH?

The name of someone who may very well be selling CH animals and calling them clean, CBB animals doesn't matter?

Maybe that's all OK with you, but it DOES matter to ME.



Brucie, I think I heard them talking about building a Death Star over on that frog forum, perhaps you should stop polishing your light saber and show it off over there where they might appreciate it.

Does the fact that the snake has parasites prove it's CH? That's what you're linking my statement to, Cat. I was my understanding that Jay's info indicated that these parasites could be transmitted to snakes via contaminated prey items. Which lead me to believe that even CB animals are not safe from infestation & that you can't determine CB vs CH vs WC just from the infestation alone. If that is true, my remarks were about this being a case of a discovered infestation, giving the benefit of the doubt that the animals were correctly represented.

However I do agree with you that if Ed is/was deliberately misrepresenting his animals, that's a whole other ball of wax... that would lack integrity & honestly. I've lost faith is his ability to represent anything honestly at this point. But when I made the statement you reffered to, there was trust that isn't there anymore. -Deb

 

[Wilomn]

mr. clark is a liar.

mr. clark is most likely a thief as well.

He traded Emily SEVEN HUNDRED DOLLARS worth of her CAPTIVE BORN AND BRED CRESTED GECKOS for 45.00 worth, if you're VERY generous, of IMPORTED ball pythons.

I think that's why he's too scared to come here. I think he robbed that poor girl and knows full well what kind of reception that will recieve here.

I think he's a coward and a scumbag.

buc buc buckawwww mr. clark.

 

[crotalusadamanteus]

Classic mob mentality. A fine man being crucified for the pleasure and control of the masses.

Said the JEDI.

 

[Serafim]

Classic mob mentality. A fine man being crucified for the pleasure and control of the masses. Pax Americana. Except for the Jedi, where are the Jeffersons and Washingtons?

If you believe the bull you just posted than you really need help. He is not being crucified for anyones pleasure. He is recieving the same treatment that he deserves. You are defending someone who could care less about you or anyone else for that matter. Face it Jedi Boy... Ed Clark is a lost cause.

 

[Cat_72]

Does the fact that the snake has parasites prove it's CH? That's what you're linking my statement to, Cat. I was my understanding that Jay's info indicated that these parasites could be transmitted to snakes via contaminated prey items. Which lead me to believe that even CB animals are not safe from infestation & that you can't determine CB vs CH vs WC just from the infestation alone. If that is true, my remarks were about this being a case of a discovered infestation, giving the benefit of the doubt that the animals were correctly represented.

However I do agree with you that if Ed is/was deliberately misrepresenting his animals, that's a whole other ball of wax... that would lack integrity & honestly. I've lost faith is his ability to represent anything honestly at this point. But when I made the statement you reffered to, there was trust that isn't there anymore. -Deb

No Deb, I never said anything about the fact that they had the parasites proving ANYTHING, did I? It had already been established waaaayyyyy before that post that Ed didn't know what snakes he sent her, and whether they were CBB as he had sold them as or CH.

The only difference between when that post was made and now is that Emily has proven other snakes that did not come from Ed are free of parasites, and that he still hasn't bothered to answer any of the questions asked of him.

THAT is why I think "naming names" was important then, and now.

 

[Seamus Haley]

This has turned into something beyond reprehensible.

Conclusions are being drawn with insufficient evidence to support them, accusations are being looked at as if there were no alternatives andthere's a definite lynch mob kind of feeling to the entire thing.

I don't like Ed. I actively dislike Ed for a number of reasons. That said, as far as this situation goes he's being stomped on without justification.

Ten months after animals leave his posession they're found to have a parasite load and the current owner has the audacity, the sheer gall to decide without question or hesitancy that it's the fault of the dealer. More than three hundred days in her care and the idea that the issue was accidently introduced on her end doesn't even seem to enter into her head. It's an absurdity.

The thread is created anyway. Conclusions are pulled directly out of the collective asses of some people who would like to see Ed fail and apparantly do not care by what method that happens. No matter that condemning him includes writing tirades that go against all common sense and ignoring biological fact because it's inconveniently counter to their goal. Furthermore, after wandering into the Fauna chat on Parasite Gate: Day One and getting to see a few lines of what were clearly a calculated planning session outlining a strategy of attack- I'm personally convinced that Emily was strongly influenced by parties with an agenda into making her post.

A few people wander by, notice that there's some highly inaccurate garbage being thrown around about parasite transmission and impartially correct those pieces of misinformation.

Denied that line of attack, Ed's most rabid attackers decide that the prescence of parasites ten months after a sale is apparantly a conclusive piece of information that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that he misrepresented wild caught or captive hatched animals as captive bred. A leap Evil Kneival couldn't make if he had NASA backing him with new rocket cycle designs.

Now we have more than one person who's refferencing the email correspondance from Post Eleven of this thread and claiming that Ed's response was damning. Look back at that post, read the text of the email that was supposedly sent to Ed, then read his supposed response. Ed's response is clearly, without question, a response to a question asking if the animals sent were CB or not. A question that is never asked in the email that he was alledgedly responding to. It's a broken email chain, something is clearly missing and it's omission constitutes a blatant, bold faced LIE on the part of Emily or whoever is coaching her in her responses. "I sent this" "This was his response" when the response makes absolutely no sense in relation to the email he was supposedly responding to. Ed's response reads a lot more like it was issued as a reply to an email asking if the snakes in that sale were CB, CH or WC and, not remembering the specific sale, he replies that he'll need to check his records. Where in any of that is there guilt of wrongdoing?

Where in ANY of this is there wrongdoing?

Ed sent some snakes, the buyer was happy for ten months and then finds a parasite load. They send him an email, according to their timeline, the first one on the subject, that contains unfounded accusations and has an ultimatum as it's closing line. His response was short and unhelpful but the approach was agressive and combative. No wrongdoing.

He may have sent animals that contained a parasite load so minor and difficult to detect that the new owner wasn't aware of it for nearly a year. No wrongdoing.

This thread is created and immediately explodes with contributions from people who, like myself, don't like Ed. Anyone know for a fact how long the thread was when he first saw it or was informed that it existed? I have no idea myself but it looks possible based on the time frame between the first fifty odd posts that it was pages and pages long. The bulk of that being made up of what I can only call abusive judgement founded in erronious reasoning. What could he have possibly said at that point that would have explained *anything*? What could he possibly say now? It's clear that nothing but an admission of guilt will be accepted by some of his detractors, there are many, many people who have clearly made up their minds and won't even attempt any kind of impartiality if asked to weigh evidence that might exhonerate him.

And that isn't sitting well with me. This is not a situation where someone has clearly and without question performed a misdeed for which they are being held culpable. This isn't an analytical and logical breakdown of suspicion or proof or evidence; it's an attack. An attack fueled by personal vendettas and supported by nothing more than spurious reasoning and baseless accusations. I find myself looking at posts made by people who I generally feel have the right idea and hating their tactics, these filthy methods that pervert the honest ideals these same individuals proclaim themselves as holding. So it's all about honest analysis and weighing the facts and making an informed and unbiased judgement based on the realities of a situation... right up until there's a chance to gang rape a guy who isn't widely admired.

I think Ed's a liar, a thief, a conman and generally a pile of gently steaming crap pretending to have the same intrinsic value as an actual human being BUT I won't lie to convince someone else of my viewpoint. I won't twist facts, I won't omit information, I won't turn inane assumptions into accusations and I won't mistake personal animosity for proof. Scum needs to be shown to people as the slimey dirty thing it is... and ONLY the slimey dirty things it ACTUALLY is. People need to be comdemned for what they have actually done wrong, held culpable for things they are actually guilty of. Not just anything they can be beaten into not refuting.

Some people I respect have behaved in a way that I do not. If you think that statement applies to you, then it probably does.