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    Yeah, I know. They are a pain in the butt. But they pay the bills to keep my server running. Just a fact of life, I am afraid.

    Want to get rid of them? Simple. Just become a Contributor level member or above and they will be gone. -> Please click HERE."

    Is that too much for me to ask of you to keep this site running? Well, sorry about that. I too wish I could get everything for free. But alas.....

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    Google Adsense ad revenue for December, 2025 was just $30 over the cost of the lease for the server running this site. So, in effect, the money providing the incentive for me to continue running this site is coming SOLELY from the paid memberships and sponsorships here. Which honestly ain't much....

Hello. My name is WebSlave and I am a Kingsnake.com abuser.

I have come to be aware that there are some folks from the Kingsnake forums that do not seem to understand what all the fuss is about regarding the censorship and banning of vocal opponents to censorship. One individual in particular has gone so far as to contact me and ask if I would appeal my ban. I know they meant well, but it clearly demonstrates that some people are not getting the point. I want to elucidate further regarding this censorship and the numerous bannings that have taken place.

The first thing that needs to be done to fully understand the situation is to dispel the misconception that participation in the Kingsnake forums is free. It is absolutely NOT free. Visitors to the site pay for products and services advertised there and those advertisers in turn pay Kingsnake for the right to sell to us. I think it is fair to say that the vast majority of forum users are in fact active in the hobby of herpetology to the extent that they are likely customers of these advertisers. Kingsnake is paid, albeit indirectly, by the site visitors which includes forum participants. I think it is only fair to add that merely visiting the site is in fact payment even if nothing is purchased. The internet bequeaths a value to visitors as they constitute what is known as an “eyeball count”. This is a marketable commodity, which I’m sure the management of Kingsnake is completely aware of.

So now that we have established that Kingsnake forum use is NOT free we can draw some analogies that should aid in putting the recent censorship and banning into proper perspective. I liken it to a group of like minded people hanging out at a certain restaurant where they all know the owners and staff have similar interests. In my particular case I had noticed every now and then a little ruckus somewhat removed from the location of my table and heard various rumors about the management of the restaurant having problems with some of the patrons. Finally, one day, the management comes and forcibly removes the occupants of the table next to mine. The occupants are pleading “what did we do, what did we do?” as they are unceremoniously dumped onto the sidewalk. Now these are people that I have known a long time and I have serious doubts that they did ANYTHING worthy of such treatment. Some folks including myself, protest on behalf of these victims and then we find that we also are no longer welcome at this establishment. The cycle continues with more and more people being put out until finally so many people are out that the management realizes they have a PR problem and they issue a decree that you can appeal, in private, for the right to return. But in the meantime, they close your favorite section of the restaurant and redirect anyone that has not been put out to a new section where you have the opportunity to offer “feedback” regarding the whole ordeal. Of course, this is not available for anybody that has been banned from the establishment and the original censorship that caused the whole mess continues, even in the new section!

Now I want to ask you, who in there right mind would appeal in private, when they were just treated like this in public? Who really would want to patronize an establishment like this? I also want to know how when somebody can see what is happening all around them that they can continue to participate and NOT protest? I realize that there are a few who really just don’t know what’s going on and I don’t blame them for not getting involved. I also don’t dispute the idea that ideally it would be best for all involved if we could all just get past this whole thing and get back to normal. But this does not seem to be a realistic expectation considering that the management of the establishment is not taking any responsibility for their actions or the actions of their staff. This of course means that regardless of how many people appeal and are let back in, the whole scenario that allowed the episode to occur in the first place still exist with the extreme likelihood that it will in fact continue to occur.

This is why I am out. The only appropriate appeal regarding this whole issue is my appeal to Kingsnake to publicly apologize for their action and immediately rescind all bans and censorship.
 
OK, when can I stop holding my breath waiting for Jeff B to respond to the email I sent him on 1/31? I am turning such a NICE shade of blue...... ;)
 
Someone posting as "CrankyOldLady" on the announcement/complaints forum was basically saying that the people complaining about KS were nothing but conspiracy theorists with no evidence, younger posters revisisting the McCarthy wich hunts, trouble makers. Kenny Wray, a (somewhat) vocal poster on the forumn, responded in kind saying that he would be glad for older people to respond if they actually had something to say instead of preaching about their own mistakes that no longer applied in the fast moving world, in which we now live.

Kenny was being smart, and I would not have responded as he did. However, he did not, IMHO, deserved to be banned, but that's what just happened to him. I don't know this guy, but he was not treated fairly, as I see it, and the fact that this occured on the complaints forum makes this even more abhorrent!

I'm emailing Kenny to join us over here! He may be twelve stepping with the rest very shortly!
 
I've stopped into that forum a couple of times over the last several days. Spotted some pretty obvious glaring holes in logic and started typing out a message about it. Then I sat there for a minute rereading what I just wrote, and deleted it all instead of posting it.

What's the point? I think *some* people can read between the lines.

I actually took a peek at the *new* forum structure and had to try it three times before I realized that there really is nothing new that I could see from the old forum style. Looks like they just took the HTML code and rewrote it in PHP, probably using a MySQL backend. They had me worried there for a minute. I thought they were going to introduce some really spiffy looking forum system.
 
Add me to the list. I've been banned from Kingsnake as well. And why you ask. Because I used their Tools and Toys functions and I guess they did not like it. In my profile it says I was banned for Technical Disruption. So Kingsnake provides it's users with certain functions and then bans a person for using them? I don't remember reading how that violated anything in their TOS. Oh well. Where else can I go? LOL
 
Maybe I need to change the logo for FaunaClassifieds to the Statue of Liberty. I think it would be appropriate.

Sorry to hear about that Sean. You would think they would have banned their programmer instead.
 
Your running on a new server!!!

It works great!!!!

Maybe you should suggest it to jeff, as his is not running worth poo!!

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Well, being fairly new to the whole internet thing I have yet to use the site to be banned.... I should maybe get myself an account so I can get banned.... It doesn't seem like an overly hard thing to do from the sound of things....

Well, maybe I can even hold the next KSA meeting at my house.... I can serve a little bit of free speech with a dab of speak your mind....

Maybe I can be the banned poster boy? I could get an account and have them ban me in a memorable enough way to stand out the most.... Is that site owned by a company or something that they are so strict?
 
What Sean did was try out the Toys and Tools provided by the new format of KS (which has since been rescinded). He tried out several features in a series of maybe, a half a dozen posts.

Another user got frustrated with his playing around and complained in a snotty sort of way. Everybody kind of snickered at her, and it was over. However, she FORMALLY complained to KS, and they banned Sean for using the tools THEY provided for us!!! KS provided a forum specifically for trying out the new tools, but that was AFTER Sean's banning!


Want to know something even funnier than that? When I tried to ask how in the world we could know the threshhold for an appropriate use of the tools they provided us versus a TOS violating usage, I was told that if it violated TOS, it was a violation. Sean came back on a newly reregistered name and said that they were being unfair. I said something about I knew it was really 2003, but it really FELT like 1984, and . . .



YOU GUESSED IT . . .





I am now BANNED from KS!!!! LOL














Hi, my name is Darin, and I'm a ban-aholic . . .
 
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There, there, Darin. All you need to do is to admit you were wrong and then grovel to the priestesses and you will have your excommunication lifted.

I wonder how many other bannees there are that don't even know of this site to check in here? Poor lost souls......
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So it wasn't even some little tool trick that screwed something up? That's what I was hoping for. Oh well.

What a crock. I guess using the tools that KS provides the forum members with or mentioning a year from the 80's is against TOS. It's really become comical at this point.

(Just incase there is some confusion, I did get the reference)
 
Aparently, so did PHChristy! :laugh:

I really think it's funny. Especially since, because I have an AOL account, they can't keep me off if I wanted to get back on. Oh well, that's probably enough fun for the evening.

:D
 
haha

Well I made my last post last night. And although it was supposed to be purposely antagonizing it wasn't in violation of their TOS but I am now banned.

They also banned my other account, which I don't post with. But they banned it as well.

Frankly at this point how is this "business" staying in business? I don't think anyone in the reptile community wants a website like that being considered "number 1" how can they?

bmm
 
Welcome to the club!

The first of your twelve steps is to admit you have a problem. Just admit that you have an aversion to censorship, thought police, and small minded/big websites . . .

and you're on your way to recovery!!!


:flamethr:censorship


Besides, the smilies are cooler over here, and you can actually USE them without being banned! :laugh:
 
So it wasn't even some little tool trick that screwed something up? That's what I was hoping for. Oh well.

Uffern. I thought I'd explain what happened. Do you know the marquee function? It makes text scroll across the screen horizontally. I tested it out in the Subject line and it worked. So when you viewed all the posts on the Cornsnakes forum on Kingsnake, my post was the only one scrolling from right to left. I then found you could use the marquee function with pictures. So I put a picture in the body of a message and using the marquee function, the picture scrolled across the screen horizontally. I then found you could put a picture in the Subject line. What do you know, there on the Cornsnake forums was a picture amongst all the posts. Finally, I tested out the marquee function with a picture in the Subject line and sure enough, I had a scrolling picture on the main Cornsnake forums page. Now I was laughing pretty hard at this point but I wasn't trying to disrupt anything. And I surely wasn't abusing the functions. I simply tested them out and found where I could use them. And I tested them on the Cornsnake forums because No.1, there were no Testing forums. And No. 2, I had some Cornsnake pics to share. Now some users got all pissy and complained and like Darin said, they banned me. And they banned me without warning. Then, AFTER all that, Kingsnake set up a new Testing forum. How convenient.

Anyway, didn't Kingsnake invite people to test out the new format before they introduced it publicly online last week? I thought so.
 
dictorship

Did anyone notice that in all the old forums, when they returned to them, all the old posts were there. On the new feedback forum, the dates are 2\07\03 to 2\10\03.
On feedback old forum is 2\10\03 until now.
All the old posts are gone. All that is left is posts complaining about new forum, nothing else.
 
Interesting......

JeffB apparently abandoned the new forum programming.

White flag speech....

But I believe Jeff is wrong about the canned software shortcomings. Some of the biggest forums on the internet use THIS software package (vbulletin) with excellent results.
I have seen sites that had 1,000 or more users at the same time online and the site was still very snappy.
 
A very good post was made today by "obsoleta" on the Feedback forum recently....its about two down right now...I am VERY curious as to how they will respond to this post.

bmm
 
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