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And all of this stemmed from the continual butt kicking that Gubitz has been receiving in another thread while I at the same time was receiving praise from the fantasy "inner circle" while the Herpfauna members thought I should've been the subject of a "bash" because of the thread I startet about them.

Interesting.
Because I do not remember seing any NEW threads were someone called you a good guy.

I just remember the old ones.

so I guess all your customers (specially the new) who come here and tel of their expereience.....
they are all part of the inner circle?
anyone satisfied is part of the inner circle?
 
Just so everyone here can see...I've copied and pasted the following....

FaunaClassifieds Forums > Reptiles and Amphibians > Classifieds and Business Section > The Original Board of Inquiry

(Moderated by: Dr Owens, Ken Harbart, WebSlave)
(Users Browsing this Forum: Ritchie Luna, Lucas Bay, Ken Foose, Curt Johnson, Clay Davenport, wilomn, shannon, ms_terese, DThomas, Vince, pestywesty101, LaBete, jayshady, richard till, Hues1)

notice how "Mike Enriquez-Dumje" keeps logging off at the same time "Jayshady" is logged in ?

Who wants to guess why that is ?
 
Mr. Hues

The thread I was refering to that I started not Abigal was the one that was moved about people getting to personal and non stop bashing of people. I stated it was wrong for people like Wes to continue his personal vendetta against Neil. After people have stated they had positive deals with him as well as his negative deal. the thread was moved to Fauna classifieds comments or something like that.

Michael Enriquez
HERPFAUNA PLUS
 
BASHING

I agree about Abigal. She should have never started bashing again. The issue was resolved between HERPFAUNA and Mr. Hues. She responded wrongly to the continued bashing of someone we have delt with several times and never had problems with. It just so happens these same bashers where the ones that where bashing us to begin with. Its like you found someone else to pick on. And with Neal it makes no sense because there where others that posted good things about him. At least with us there is no one posting anything about us. Nobody to defend us but us.


Michael Enriquez
HERPFAUNA PLUS
 
You Just don't Get It

Herpfauna,abi micheal,jayshady or whoever you are!!
How many times do you have to get hit in the head with a hammer before you know it hurts?
You are just digging yourself deeper and deeper!
Say your appolliges and move on before there is nothing left of your name and business to salvage.I for one remember names when i'm shopping for animals and i wouldn't care if you had exactly what i wanted for a great price i still wouldn't buy from any of you!!as a matter of fact you couldn't give them to me!

Tim Stockton
 
Mr. Hues

I am my own person. I assure you of this. I have stated before that I know Webslave/Rich from when I was going to school in Tallahassee. I had bout some Leopard Geckos from him and I used to visit once everyfew months to buy mice from him. I delt with him and his wife. I have been to his house. It has been 8 years since I have been there. But I assure you he will remember me and I can answer questions he may pose to me to verify who I am.


Michael Enriquez
HERPFAUNA PLUS
 
Tim

I am sorry you feel this way. But I feel I need to stand up for the wrongs that have been delt out in this particular community. You have not Read all the posts.

A leopard Tortoise was bought as a misrepresentation.

A former member of my organization misrepresented the animal on another site using pictures without permission.


A "Pastel" was misrepresented to us.

We not being experts on Pastels where fooled and thanks to the community at large we where able to rectify the situation.

Michael Enriquez
HERPFAUNA PLUS
 
no one cares any more, you could be george bush ,after this thread no one on fauna will buy from herpfauna plus.
 
herp fauna plus got called out on selling fake blond torts, and fake pastel pythons, as well as stealing and photo editing
 
Vince

I like you. You seem to know what the board is used for. But please be careful how you use the word steal. That can be interpreted in many ways. Besides I though you where selling all of your animals? LOL. just kidding. Anyways...what was done by my former partners was not as bad as what some of these people are making it out to be. Because of this board the probelms/misrepresentations where discovered and removed. I think the board for that.

Michael Enriquez
HERPFAUNA PLUS
 
Enough already.

1. This thread shouldn't even be here. The original reference was about a deal that already has an existing thread. Saying that it was started in retaliation for statements about Neil doesn't justify it either.

2. People aren't always going to agree. If they wish to continue to beat dead horses, they can do it in private email. THIS FORUM IS ABOUT DEALS, GOOD AND BAD, NOT DIFFERENCES OF OPINION.

Please, stop and think before you type. Evaluate what you are accomplishing and what image of yourself you are sending out for the masses to form an opinion.
 
Wrong again

Sorry to inform you micheal but i have read all the threads.
Alex offered a full refund on the NORMAL leopard tortoise.
When that didn't happen a monetary refund was ACCEPTED.
DEAL DONE!!
Then the normal tort turn into a blond and a female at that i'm suprized it wasn't gravid give me a break!
As far as the snake goes ignorance is no excuse!!!
If you don't know what you have find out don't blow sunshine up someone elses A___! (wonder where i heard that phrase?)
So don't tell me i haven't read all your nonsense.
Also let neil fight his own battles he's a big boy and he's never had a problem before he's actually starting to look good compared to likes of you. At least he trys to rectify his problems.
He's man enough to admit his mistakes and take his lumps.
Tim Stockton
 
Anyways...what was done by my former partners was not as bad as what some of these people are making it out to be.

Michael,

Allow me to disagree with your assessment here:

1. Knowingly (they were told it was a normal) misrepresenting a tortoise. Deception.

2. "Unknowingly" (I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt) misprepresenting a ball python, also known as "deception by ignorance".

3. Copyright infringement by illegal use of pictures.

4. Doctoring of original pictures to pass them as different ones.

If you don't understand these four "pearls" are not illegal activities you will be in trouble before you know it.

Regards.
 
If you don't understand these four "pearls" are not illegal activities you will be in trouble before you know it.

Should have read: If you don't understand these four "pearls" are illegal activities you will be in trouble before you know it.
 
I tried to stop posting but you guys will not stop...so i cannot stop. Lets be sure who you are saying did these things. These where done be a former partner.

The Pastel was done unintentional and since it was not sold nothing illegal was done.

The Leopard Tortoise issue has been beat to the ground. We have admitted repeatidly that we where wrong. There is nothing that can be said about it.


what else do you want...do you want my heart on a stake? You people are ridiculus about this....really really beating a dead horse?


Michael Enriquez
HERPFAUNA PLUS
 
I've read through all the previous threads especially regarding herpfauna plus. I tend not to read much of the Neil threads because I could just as easily sit here and type "blah blah blah" all day long and get more entertainment and less repetition.

Perhaps you just don't understand the way the Board of Inquiry works. It's a lot more than just simply sharing your experiences. It's how you conduct yourself that really makes a difference.

I have yet to see a "Good Guy" blame other people for all their mistakes, use foul language, threaten to sue the BOI for its actions, use profanity and idiotic and pointless terms like "got your panties in a twist" (what the HECK does that really MEAN?)

Bad guys, on the other hand, are quick to send private emails to the Webslave telling him to "remove the post or be sued and brought to your knees" or some such drivel, they immediately proclaim that they are the one being wronged by the "inner circle". Which means, as one person pointed out, that they are in the "bad guy circle" and the "good guy circle" has them pegged. They always point out how it's someone else's fault, they often "convert to god", they lie, they sometimes make up names and post good guy threads under those posts. They DO DO this too, so is it any wonder when members of Herpfauna plus come on here full of profanity, changed personalities (examine Abi's posts, her personality did a 180), when they come on here with accusations that DEMONSTRATE that they have no flippin idea of what is going on, when they proudly proclaim that their illegal activities are of no note... etc. It's been done before, you aren't the first, so pardon those of us in the "good guy circle" for being suspicious.

YES... Herpfauna may have learned their lessons... they may never represent as blonde a tortoise that is not, or pastel a ball python that is not... they may never steal a picture and wipe out the watermark, or break the TOS of kingsnake.com ... they may have LEARNED. But as long as they keep coming on here and proclaiming how awful the BOI is, how BAD alex hue is, etc. they won't get a good name. Try to take Alex Hue's example... He did a BAD THING... he misrepresented a tortoise... and he offered to rectify the situation. He did not blame the other party for being mean to him. He did not say anything at all bad. He took his lumps, gave a partial refund, and merrily went on his way, glad to have fixed the situation. THAT my friend is a good guy. Nope, he's not perfect. But he does a good job of fixing the situation. He didn't HAVE to post a message here that brought to light his own error but he felt that the error that Herpfauna was making was much more devious. NOT ONLY were they representing an animal as a genetic mutation it was NOT, they were using HIS altered photo to do so! To root out the bad guy, he was willing to expose to the cynosure of all the BOI his own error in measuring the animal that was sold.

And you know what? Abi did an excellent job of being an outstanding seller who had made a mistake like the one Alex made. She came on here, she admitted fault, she was calm, cool, rational, she gave every appearance of a "GOOD GUY" and I found myself watching the Herpfauna ads, thinking someday, when I have more money, I might give them a shot. This was due to Abi's posting! See no bad guy thread can REALLY brand a person a BAD GUY... only the response and reaction of the bad guy do that.

But once Abi did a 180 and started to bash Alex for a long dead issue, well she showed herself, and herpfauna in their true light. Alas, now, by the actions of HERPFAUNA, and NOBODY else, I know I should NEVER deal with them.
 
Micheal,
You and Herpfauna have come out looking very bad here. People take it very seriously when someone misrepresents morphs, especially higher dollar morphs. "Pastel Jungles" are relatively easy to identify. Even with the different lines (Ruppel, Blond, Lemon) they all still look like Pastels. Also, when you pick up an animal as a "normal" and then resell it as a "Blonde", that is also very questionable. Alex did everything he could right from the start, including offering a full refund. That is the sign of a good businessman. When the original thread was over I assumed that these were just very misinformed newbs and were taken by another company. Now you guys look out of control. Why have so many people representing your company? Why defend how Neil is being treated here, instead of in the thread where he might need the help? Why start personal attacks over dead issues? Just let it die... What outcome are you looking for? You want to help Neil by calling Alex a coward? The best bet would be to just walk away from it, and try and use the BOI as a tool to inform yourself of sellers and buyers, instead of a pissing match over nothing really.
Vince,
If this board means so much to your life that you let it make you spaz out and get kicked off, then now consider selling your collection? Maybe you should walk away also...
This board is a tool to find out who the reliable sellers and buyers are along with finding out who the bad sellers and buyers are. If you have problems with what is going on, state your opinion intelligently. Don't go on tirades... I have gone against the grain numerous times and have not had problems. When I first came here I thought their was a clique also, and it was led by Neil Gubits. I have never seen anyone so quick to jump down someones throat over the most minor occurence, as was Neil in his hayday. He had alot of support and it took alot of seriously questionable incidents before Neil became known in such a negative light. Just like Fred Albury and Tim Bowels. The clique is usually just more voisterous (is that even a word) people who frequent the board that generally have the same view on a certain subject... Right or Wrong..... I have no problem with people placing negative posts in a "good guy" thread to let buyers know the whole story of the persons in question, along with backing up their statements and defending themselves to any replies made. Some people go overboard and that reflects on them also. Sometimes it can seem very childish, but really you can just ignore the posters or any thread in particular. The only people who should have this board negatively effect them, is the weak minded, the theifs, and the scammers...
Thanks, Tom Baker
p.s. Here is what a "Pastel Jungle" looks like. This was the female I held back last year.
 

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I tried to stop posting but you guys will not stop...so i cannot stop. Lets be sure who you are saying did these things. These where done be a former partner.[/QUOTE

Although we all understand who did these things, here it is again what you just said:

...what was done by my former partners was not as bad as what some of these people are making it out to be.

You are saying all that was done "was not as bad'. Compared to what? Are those the standards you are going to be using in the future now that you are on your own? If those were not as bad as you say, are we in for some that are worse in the future? Because that is the way it sounds right now.
 
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