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Bad Guy Howling gale bearded dragons

Please do not use the term "They" I am showing you the email exactly as it was forwarded to me. I do not have Kingsnake account I don't like King Snake much I prefer Fauna much more.


I asked Ed to do a screen shot for you guys hopefully I will see it on here tomorrow, Night
 
Well I am glad to know what type of person you are and if you think something may help you you will do everything in your power to try to make yourself look good. Here is the PM we received in the beginning when she wanted to help.

Jeff Wise
 
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HowlinGaleDragons said:
Changing The story more Christina? You told me you had a moderator tell you to have me post the ad because the dragons would not be ready to shipped for two weeks...funny. I never got pissed at you ever I said I would take your name off the auction when I was able to log back on as when you called me I was in the middle of feeding my dragons you said that was fine yet you post that BS on my auction?
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Nicole, I told them to post a disclaimer in ALL of the auctions stating that they are NOT affiliated with any of the breeders or animals because quite simply, they arent. They should not be held liable for anyones purchases as these are not coming from the Wise's. I would not want to donate an animal only for Jeff or Christina to become repsonsible for them.

Regardless of the reason(s) that they did not want to bind themselves with your auctions, is well, like you put it (their business) as well. Its nothing personal. They gave you three reasons that they didnt want to be a part of your auction, Ed clark, the BOI, and that Chuck would rather you take care of your customers than his family. I am inclined to believe all three reasons so, the reason(s) that they gave you is a moot point at best.

Jeff, Christina and I have spent a lot of time on the phone talking about this situation, even before your auction was listed, hence the disclaimer ;) You just have to see this from beyond yourself and see it from a neutral party so to speak. What they are doing is a GOOD thing, not a bad. Their intentions are not to douse someone in lighter fluid and set them on fire. They do not have that type of mentality.
 
Here's a copy of the email I recieved.

Message about: RW Snow Patty, Red Stripes.
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Fri, March 5, 2010 1:18:22 PM
From:
"[email protected]" <[email protected]> [Chat now]
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Add to Contacts
To: [email protected]
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Hey ed I was wondering if you had anything to put up for auction for chucks fundraiser. let me know...

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This person may or may not be who they say they are.
The return address they provide may or may not be their correct address.

Sent 12:18 PM, Mar 05th, 2010 from I.P. Address 68.61.46.124/c-68-61-46-124.hsd1.mi.comcast.net
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Screenshot shmeenshot! Anyone could type in absolutely any address they desire to respond to a ad on Kingsnake. Thats a pretty sophomoric technique to attempt to use as proof of an email.
 
Well one way to settle that is to check the IP adress that was copied in there at the bottom of Ed's post...Can a mod help us out on that one?
 
WiseReptiles said:
We would have never emailed anyone from King Snake to ask for a donation. So some how she added my wifes email to a message and screen shot it because I know we would not have asked ED Clark for a donation. There are enough members here that have been more than generous to go asking for donations else where. I am tired of the games and if it was not for the email we received I would have left this thread alone. If anyone wants to see the original email send me a PM and your email and I will forward it to you.

Jeff Wise
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Jeff, I received a request for a donation from you or your wife. you can't deny it. I saved the email.:rofl:
 
Ed Clark said:
Jeff, I received a request for a donation from you or your wife. you can't deny it. I saved the email.:rofl:
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Ed anyone can fake an email through Kingsnake.

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Address <BR>>  68.61.46.124/c-68-61-46-124.hsd1.mi.comcast.net<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Howlin'<BR>> Gale Dragons<BR>> "Quality Not <BR>> Quantity"<BR>> <a target="_blank" href="http://www.HGDragons.com"><span class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1268021499_7">www.HGDragons.com</span></a><BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>  <BR>> <BR><BR><BR>     </div><div id='inline_attachments'><style>.forwardmsg {border:2px solid;margin-bottom:0;margin-top:8px;padding:0 0 5px;border-color:#dc881e;}.forwardmsg .forwardmsgfname {color:#333333;font-style:normal;font-weight:bold;padding: 0.5em 0 0.5em 10px;background-color:fbf5d8;}.forwardmsg .msgheader {background-color:#f6f6f6;border:1px solid #e6e6e6;padding:5px 5px 5px 2px;}.forwardmsg .subjectbar {left:0;padding:0 5px;position:relative;top:0;}.forwardmsg .msgsubject {color:#3f3f3f;float:left;display:block;font-weight:bold;margin:0.67em 0;line-height:1.2em;}.forwardmsg .date {float:right;}.forwardmsg .clearFloat {clear:both}.forwardmsg .padding2px {padding:2px 0}.forwardmsg .label {color:#7f7f7f;float:left;padding:0 2px 0 5px;text-align:right;width:3.5em;}.forwardmsg .details {color:#343434;padding:0 2px 0 5px; position:relative;text-align:left;width:70%}.forwardmsg .abook {float:left;margin-right:3px; text-align:left;width:auto}.forwardmsg .pointer {cursor:pointer}.forwardmsg .blue {color:blue}.forwardmsg .underline {text-decoration:underline}.forwardmsg .displaynone {display:none}.forwardmsg .padding5px {padding:5px}.forwardmsg plainMail {overflow:visible; visibility:visible}</style><div class="forwardmsg"><div class="forwardmsgfname">Fw: Fw: Message about: RW Snow Patty, Red Stripes.</div><div class="msgheader"><div class="subjectbar fontT2"><div><h1 class="msgsubject fontH1">Fw: Message about: RW Snow Patty, Red Stripes.</h1><div class="date"><nobr>Friday, March 05, 2010 11:45:34 PM</nobr></div><div class="clearFloat"/></div></div><div class="clearFloat padding2px"><div class="padding2px"><div class="label">From: </div><div class="details"><div class="abook"><span>"Ed Clark" <<a href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>></span></div><div class="clearFloat"></div></div><div class="clearFloat"></div></div><div class="padding2px"><div class="label">To: </div><div class="details">"Nicole" <<a href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>></div><div class="clearFloat"></div> </div></div> </div> </div> <div class="padding5px"><div class="plainMail"><meta http-equiv="x-dns-prefetch-control" content="off"><html><head><style type="text/css"><!--DIV {margin:0px;}--></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt;"><div><br></div><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt;"><br><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2">----- Forwarded Message ----<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> "[email protected]" <[email protected]><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> [email protected]<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Fri, March 5, 2010 1:18:22 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Message about: RW Snow Patty, Red Stripes.<br></font><br>
*************<br>NOTE:  This message was sent to you via the <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://Kingsnake.com">Kingsnake.com</a> Classifieds.  If you feel this message is fraudulent or abusive please forward it to <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:[email protected]" target="_blank" href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>.<br>NOTE: DO NOT flag this message as SPAM/JUNK as your ability to receive legitimate messages from Kingsnake.com Classifieds may be compromised<br>*************<br><br>Hey ed I was wondering if you had anything to put up for auction for chucks fundraiser. let me know...<br><br>----------------------------------------------<br>Click on (or cut and paste into you browser's<br>location window) the URL below to view the ad that<br>this message is in response to.<br><br><span><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?de=758408&cat=10">http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?de=758408&cat=10</a></span><br><br><br>----------------------------------------------<br>This message was sent by an unregistered or non logged in user.<br>This person may or may not be who they say they are.<br>The return address they provide may or may not be their correct address.<br><br>Sent 12:18 PM, Mar 05th, 2010 from I.P. Address 68.61.46.124/c-68-61-46-124.hsd1.mi.comcast.net<br><br></div></div>
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ED,
I would not send you an email nor Christina and I would never buy/trade/sell or ask you for any donation. I would take a loss before I ever dealt with you. Gets real funny that when either of you want to have someone else in the spot light you go and pick on someone else. We were trying to help families in need and you 2 try and ruin it because I called her out by saying we did not want to be affiliated with her. You 2 try to take the spot light off you by trying to get others to focus on someone else because you think maybe they will forget about you 2. Everyone knows your tricks and the only thing you will succeed in is making the 2 of you look worse by the time this is all said and done. Deal with your problems and quit trying to make everyone look bad.:NoNo:

Jeff Wise
 
StrictlyExotics said:
Ed anyone can fake an email through Kingsnake.

Here is the source code of the email that I received regarding the email in question... Line 216 is what I find interesting.

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<BR><BR>--- On Sat, 3/6/10, <a ymailto="mailto:[email protected]" href="mailto:[email protected]"><span class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1268021499_0">[email protected]</span></a> <<a ymailto="mailto:[email protected]" href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<BR><BR>> From: <a ymailto="mailto:[email protected]" href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a> <<a ymailto="mailto:[email protected]" href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>><BR>> Subject: Funny....<BR>> To: <a ymailto="mailto:[email protected]" href="mailto:[email protected]"><span class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1268021499_1">[email protected]</span></a><BR>> Date: Saturday, March 6, 2010, 12:47 AM<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>  <BR>>  <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> You told me you won't have anything to do with Ed<BR>> or ppl affiliated with <BR>> him on the phone I try to help someone I know<BR>> and this is how I get <BR>> treated?<BR>> <BR>> In a message dated 3/6/2010 12:45:35 A.M. Eastern<BR>> Standard Time, <BR>> <a ymailto="mailto:[email protected]" href="mailto:[email protected]"><span class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1268021499_2">[email protected]</span></a> writes:<BR>> <BR>>  <BR>> <BR>>  <BR>> <BR>>  ----- Forwarded Message ----<BR>> From:<BR>> "<a ymailto="mailto:[email protected]" href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>" <BR>>  <<a ymailto="mailto:[email protected]" href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>><BR>> To:<BR>> <a ymailto="mailto:[email protected]" href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a><BR>> Sent: Fri,<BR>> March 5, 2010 1:18:22 <BR>>  PM<BR>> Subject:<BR>> Message about: RW <BR>>  Snow Patty, Red Stripes.<BR>> <BR>> *************<BR>> NOTE: This <BR>>  message was sent to you via the <a target="_blank" href="http://Kingsnake.com"><span class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1268021499_3">Kingsnake.com</span></a> <BR>>  Classifieds. If you feel this message is fraudulent<BR>> or abusive please <BR>>  forward it to <a ymailto="mailto:[email protected]" href="mailto:[email protected]"><span class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1268021499_4">[email protected]</span></a>.<BR>> NOTE: <BR>>  DO NOT flag this message as SPAM/JUNK as your ability to<BR>> receive legitimate <BR>>  messages from Kingsnake.com Classifieds may be <BR>>  compromised<BR>> *************<BR>> <BR>> Hey ed I was wondering if you had anything <BR>>  to put up for auction for chucks fundraiser. let me <BR>>  know...<BR>> <BR>> ----------------------------------------------<BR>> Click on (or <BR>>  cut and paste into you browser's<BR>> location window) the URL below to view the <BR>>  ad that<BR>> this message is in response to.<BR>> <BR>> <a href="http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?de=758408&cat=10" target=_blank ><span class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1268021499_5">http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?de=758408&cat=10</span></a><BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ----------------------------------------------<BR>> This <BR>>  message was sent by an unregistered or non logged in<BR>> user.<BR>> This person may <BR>>  or may not be who they say they are.<BR>> The <span class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1268021499_6">return address</span> they provide may or <BR>>  may not be their correct address.<BR>> <BR>> Sent 12:18 PM, Mar 05th, 2010 from <BR>>  I.P. Address <BR>>  68.61.46.124/c-68-61-46-124.hsd1.mi.comcast.net<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Howlin'<BR>> Gale Dragons<BR>> "Quality Not <BR>> Quantity"<BR>> <a target="_blank" href="http://www.HGDragons.com"><span class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1268021499_7">www.HGDragons.com</span></a><BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>  <BR>> <BR><BR><BR>     </div><div id='inline_attachments'><style>.forwardmsg {border:2px solid;margin-bottom:0;margin-top:8px;padding:0 0 5px;border-color:#dc881e;}.forwardmsg .forwardmsgfname {color:#333333;font-style:normal;font-weight:bold;padding: 0.5em 0 0.5em 10px;background-color:fbf5d8;}.forwardmsg .msgheader {background-color:#f6f6f6;border:1px solid #e6e6e6;padding:5px 5px 5px 2px;}.forwardmsg .subjectbar {left:0;padding:0 5px;position:relative;top:0;}.forwardmsg .msgsubject {color:#3f3f3f;float:left;display:block;font-weight:bold;margin:0.67em 0;line-height:1.2em;}.forwardmsg .date {float:right;}.forwardmsg .clearFloat {clear:both}.forwardmsg .padding2px {padding:2px 0}.forwardmsg .label {color:#7f7f7f;float:left;padding:0 2px 0 5px;text-align:right;width:3.5em;}.forwardmsg .details {color:#343434;padding:0 2px 0 5px; position:relative;text-align:left;width:70%}.forwardmsg .abook {float:left;margin-right:3px; text-align:left;width:auto}.forwardmsg .pointer {cursor:pointer}.forwardmsg .blue {color:blue}.forwardmsg .underline {text-decoration:underline}.forwardmsg .displaynone {display:none}.forwardmsg .padding5px {padding:5px}.forwardmsg plainMail {overflow:visible; visibility:visible}</style><div class="forwardmsg"><div class="forwardmsgfname">Fw: Fw: Message about: RW Snow Patty, Red Stripes.</div><div class="msgheader"><div class="subjectbar fontT2"><div><h1 class="msgsubject fontH1">Fw: Message about: RW Snow Patty, Red Stripes.</h1><div class="date"><nobr>Friday, March 05, 2010 11:45:34 PM</nobr></div><div class="clearFloat"/></div></div><div class="clearFloat padding2px"><div class="padding2px"><div class="label">From: </div><div class="details"><div class="abook"><span>"Ed Clark" <<a href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>></span></div><div class="clearFloat"></div></div><div class="clearFloat"></div></div><div class="padding2px"><div class="label">To: </div><div class="details">"Nicole" <<a href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>></div><div class="clearFloat"></div> </div></div> </div> </div> <div class="padding5px"><div class="plainMail"><meta http-equiv="x-dns-prefetch-control" content="off"><html><head><style type="text/css"><!--DIV {margin:0px;}--></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt;"><div><br></div><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt;"><br><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2">----- Forwarded Message ----<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> "[email protected]" <[email protected]><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> [email protected]<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Fri, March 5, 2010 1:18:22 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Message about: RW Snow Patty, Red Stripes.<br></font><br>
*************<br>NOTE:  This message was sent to you via the <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://Kingsnake.com">Kingsnake.com</a> Classifieds.  If you feel this message is fraudulent or abusive please forward it to <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:[email protected]" target="_blank" href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>.<br>NOTE: DO NOT flag this message as SPAM/JUNK as your ability to receive legitimate messages from Kingsnake.com Classifieds may be compromised<br>*************<br><br>Hey ed I was wondering if you had anything to put up for auction for chucks fundraiser. let me know...<br><br>----------------------------------------------<br>Click on (or cut and paste into you browser's<br>location window) the URL below to view the ad that<br>this message is in response to.<br><br><span><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?de=758408&cat=10">http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?de=758408&cat=10</a></span><br><br><br>----------------------------------------------<br>This message was sent by an unregistered or non logged in user.<br>This person may or may not be who they say they are.<br>The return address they provide may or may not be their correct address.<br><br>Sent 12:18 PM, Mar 05th, 2010 from I.P. Address 68.61.46.124/c-68-61-46-124.hsd1.mi.comcast.net<br><br></div></div>
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Who forwarded you the email in question?
 
Main Entry: sub·ter·fuge
Pronunciation: \ˈsəb-tər-ˌfyüj\
Function: noun
Etymology: Late Latin subterfugium, from Latin subterfugere to escape, evade, from subter- secretly (from subter underneath; akin to Latin sub under) + fugere to flee — more at up, fugitive
Date: 1573
1 : deception by artifice or stratagem in order to conceal, escape, or evade
2 : a deceptive device or stratagem

synonyms see deception
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Sums it up nicely I think. Chins up Jeff and Christina. You've done nothing wrong here. I'd like to think any sane person sees through what's going on. It's a predictable cycle.
 
Ed Clark said:
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ed I am calling you and nichole both liars. You and your insignificant other are quite the pair of disgusting poor excuses for human beings. Why don't the two of you crawl back under the rocks you came from. Your "help" is a farce and if you'd remove your thumb you can put her offer of help in it's place.

The Wise's have put together a number of auctions to be offered by a many reputable individuals and you and nichole are not an acceptable means of help wanted. I was consulted by them when nichole offered to auction off unhatched beardies and I warned them against accepting anything from her. (I still have the pm's) She (nichole) then proceeded to start her own auction and involve the Wise's and here we are now with this drivel about them soliciting you for animals. This claim is a load of horse crap and you know it. Why don't the two of you just go away and leave this all alone now before you two do even more damage to your already totally screwed reputations. Pulling this crap shows just what kind of garbage the two of you really are.

Love Dave
 
DAND said:
ed I am calling you and nichole both liars. You and your insignificant other are quite the pair of disgusting poor excuses for human beings. Why don't the two of you crawl back under the rocks you came from. Your "help" is a farce and if you'd remove your thumb you can put her offer of help in it's place.

The Wise's have put together a number of auctions to be offered by a many reputable individuals and you and nichole are not an acceptable means of help wanted. I was consulted by them when nichole offered to auction off unhatched beardies and I warned them against accepting anything from her. (I still have the pm's) She (nichole) then proceeded to start her own auction and involve the Wise's and here we are now with this drivel about them soliciting you for animals. This claim is a load of horse crap and you know it. Why don't the two of you just go away and leave this all alone now before you two do even more damage to your already totally screwed reputations. Pulling this crap shows just what kind of garbage the two of you really are.

Love Dave
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As for me too. I think a few of us were ;)
 
WiseReptiles said:
ED,
I would not send you an email nor Christina and I would never buy/trade/sell or ask you for any donation. I would take a loss before I ever dealt with you. Gets real funny that when either of you want to have someone else in the spot light you go and pick on someone else. We were trying to help families in need and you 2 try and ruin it because I called her out by saying we did not want to be affiliated with her. You 2 try to take the spot light off you by trying to get others to focus on someone else because you think maybe they will forget about you 2. Everyone knows your tricks and the only thing you will succeed in is making the 2 of you look worse by the time this is all said and done. Deal with your problems and quit trying to make everyone look bad.:NoNo:

Jeff Wise
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From:
"[email protected]" <[email protected]>
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Jeff who's email address is this?
 
WiseReptiles said:
ED,
I would not send you an email nor Christina and I would never buy/trade/sell or ask you for any donation. I would take a loss before I ever dealt with you. Gets real funny that when either of you want to have someone else in the spot light you go and pick on someone else. We were trying to help families in need and you 2 try and ruin it because I called her out by saying we did not want to be affiliated with her. You 2 try to take the spot light off you by trying to get others to focus on someone else because you think maybe they will forget about you 2. Everyone knows your tricks and the only thing you will succeed in is making the 2 of you look worse by the time this is all said and done. Deal with your problems and quit trying to make everyone look bad.:NoNo:

Jeff Wise
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Sent 12:18 PM, Mar 05th, 2010 from I.P. Address 68.61.46.124/c-68-61-46-124.hsd1.mi.comcast.net
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Jeff who's I.P. address is this?
 
Good trick but I can get IPS from emails as well so it's not hard for someone to change a situation to suit themselves.

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DAND said:
ed I am calling you and nichole both liars. You and your insignificant other are quite the pair of disgusting poor excuses for human beings. Why don't the two of you crawl back under the rocks you came from. Your "help" is a farce and if you'd remove your thumb you can put her offer of help in it's place.

The Wise's have put together a number of auctions to be offered by a many reputable individuals and you and nichole are not an acceptable means of help wanted. I was consulted by them when nichole offered to auction off unhatched beardies and I warned them against accepting anything from her. (I still have the pm's) She (nichole) then proceeded to start her own auction and involve the Wise's and here we are now with this drivel about them soliciting you for animals. This claim is a load of horse crap and you know it. Why don't the two of you just go away and leave this all alone now before you two do even more damage to your already totally screwed reputations. Pulling this crap shows just what kind of garbage the two of you really are.

Love Dave
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i couldn't have said it better myself Dave
 
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