Bad Guy I got ripped off! Lonnie Jacobs or fauna user lancehead1980

[reticguy76]

wow, that is some official looking veterinary medical record. i know that would not fly in the arizona vet state boards.

good luck

 

[bullies&balls]

these are two pics of the female ornate that I sent mark on august 5th, 2011

You can CLEARLY see in the pic on the left, between the 2nd and 3rd fingers a PRONOUNCED curve of the spine.

 

[bullies&balls]

wow, that is some official looking veterinary medical record. i know that would not fly in the arizona vet state boards.

good luck

LOL really ??? Does everything have to be typed ? My wife was a vet tech for more then 15 yrs and several do printouts for lab, visit and payment, but handwrite for a general overview when asked to show findings.

Guy shows proof and now that comes under fire. I guess if it was printed then the front would be wrong. WOW

 

[reticguy76]

not everything has to be typed, but it needs to be more official than that. i have worked in veterinary emergency/critical care for just a shade under 15 years here in arizona, and that paper would not fly with the vet board or a legal matter (if it came to that)

maybe there is more to the "record" if there is, id post it to without a doubt prove it was taken to a licensed veterinarian.

i wasnt putting him under fire whatsoever, all i said, was that particular piece of paper looked like anybody in the world could have written it.

is it legitimate: maybe, probably, who knows. personally, i like to see vet signatures with specific doses of meds and strengths, etc.

but thats me, im anal and in emergency, everything is recorded

 

[Bill T]

Looks like a script pad we use for meds or to use as Doctor’s note for work. There is a number there call it.

 

[gecko32]

I think this paperwork is legit which doesn't help Mark at all. Mark, where on the paper is there a cofirmation of mbd?

all i see is that the vet suspects a calcium problem. with mbd it could be too much calcium or not enough calcium. so which is it? the vet did not note either or? no they didn't. the vet says calcium is needed. what tests were performed to verify this?

the vet also says "can't rule out infection". what tests were performed to verify there is or is not an infection?

were x-rays taken? if not, why?

if he gives you a refund based on this generic paperwork, he's an idiot.

 

[gecko32]

now that i think about it, where does this paperwork confirm anything other than a Uromastyx was looked at?

 

[Bill T]

Abnormal shape to spine noted

 

[gecko32]

its noted. ok so where is the x-ray to prove it? you could look at a human that walks bent over and say the samething but, could you diagnose scoliosis just by looking, without performing some kind of test? i should think not.

 

[Katie.Shinkle]

all i see is that the vet suspects a calcium problem. with mbd it could be too much calcium or not enough calcium. so which is it? the vet did not note either or? no they didn't. the vet says calcium is needed. what tests were performed to verify this?

Uh...no. MBD is calcium DEFICIENCY...Too little calcium/calcium absorption, NOT too much calcium.

While I agree the paperwork is odd, there is a phone number if someone would like to call to verify.

 

[Katie.Shinkle]

Oh, and Hypercalcemia is TOO much calcium/calcium absorption (http://www.anapsid.org/hypercal.html)

 

[KelliH]

Guys, the photos speak so much louder than the vet report.

 

[KelliH]

This is a terrible job I did in Paint but this illustrates what I see.

 

[Magic Merlin]

So we have an accusation of insufficient/fake/forged vet paperwork.......what is next, a deniel that it is the same lizard that was sent or the OP somehow caused the injuries? Lonnie, needs to make this right.

 

[hhmoore]

I suspect that was simply a note provided by the vet to confirm that the animal was seen...

There is a number there call it.

While I agree the paperwork is odd, there is a phone number if someone would like to call to verify.

Actually, the vet shouldn't give information to anybody but the client, or a person specified by the client to receive the information. Random, uninvolved parties - regardless of their good intentions - have no rights to the records...and no vet's office needs to deal with a forum initiated calling campaign. Please don't waste their time.

 

[turtleescape]

Its people like this that make buying reptiles on the interned such a scary transaction. I hate when you read situations like this. I don't see how the seller can not make this right. Mark please keep us updated.

 

[JColt]

I don't know which vet was used to examine but I do know 2 of the vets from Roberts and Wendt have been to North Ridgeville Emergency Animal clinic for training. NREAC is a teaching hospital and have 3 Vet/teachers that specialize in reptiles and Doctor Fox who is world renown in birds and at one time the top reptile vet in greater Cleveland area.

 

[marku1999]

So let me understand this guys, am I really supposed to tell my vet how to do her job? I called the seller upon receiving a unhealthy animal. I submitted pictured to prove the animal isn't healthy as requested. I was asked to take it to the vet and pay more money out of pocket - I did that. WTF more do you want?

If certain people here trust this clown - feel free to continue to give him your money. I personally will not and wanted to let everyone know what I went through.

 

[marku1999]

This is the latest from Lonnie:

from Lonnie Jacobs [email protected]
to Mark Urban <[email protected]>
date Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 10:57 PM
subject Re: so
mailed-by insightbb.com
Important mainly because of the people in the conversation.

hide details 10:57 PM (8 hours ago)


Mark,



Thanks for sending me the pics and a copy of the letter to my personal e-mail address. Oh wait you posted avevrything on fauna instead of actually sending it to me, thats right. You took the Uro to an vet that does not specialize in reptiles. (I checked) And the vet's notes you posted are a joke. Lets go through everything, shall we?



1) Where in his/her notes does the vet confirm that that the Uro has MBD?

2) As a matter of fact where in the vet's notes does he/she confirm anything?

3) No where in the vet's notes does it say for certain that the Uro has a "severe spinal abnormality".

4) The notes say "cant r/o infection". R/O means Rule Out, which means they did not test for an infection.

5) You had no x-rays taken to confirm anything.

6) All the notes written are simple observations and not 1 confirmed diagnosis.

7) The notes say that the vet "suspects a calcium imbalance". How is that in any way a confirmed diagnosis?

8) I could have been giving her too much or not enough calcium. The vet recomends to start her on calcium without knowing which is the case.

9) It appears the vet wrote down what you wanted her to write down which were generic observations from a vet who wanted to get you in and out and collect your money.



Until I have a clear diagnosis from a vet who specializes in reptiles and performs the necessary tests I will continue my pay-pal dispute with you and certainly not give you a refund.



And please try to deal with this like a man and either call me which I've asked you to do on more than 1 occasion or deal with me directly through e-mail.





Lonnie Jacobs

 

[JColt]

Lonnie, There is defiantly some thing wrong with animal and it was not accurately described when you sold it. Why do you expect some one to spend large sums of money to pin point an actual ailment before fixing the issue of selling an animal that was not honestly described?

Even if the vet said, It's 100% calcium problem and animal will be fine after treatment, Why should Mark be forced to keep animal? I know if I bought a Ball Python 100% proven breeder with a tail kink and it wasn't described when I bought it, I'd want my money back.