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IBD Allen belcher/Big daddys wholesale

thanks for posting this warning i almost traded him some lemon pastel balls for some stuff he had but i figured id check here first for any info on him and wow did i ever lol i emailed him and said i have to withdraw my trade due to i found a thread saying you had IBD in your colonies/animal housing facility had never heard from him sent then so it must be true lol
thanks for posting this valuable info
me and my family are deeply sorry for your lost of what was a awesome animal im sure i have never had ibd and never want to get it eaither all the animals i sell are 100% good health and id like to keep them that way
thanks again
chris brandenburgh
of
heartland herps and exotics
 
Well seeing how everyone else is bashing Big Daddies. I have met the guy personally and he is a scum bag. I drove to meet him and sell him some rats. Well to make a long story short. He tried to shaft me. He said my small rats were pups and all kinds of stupid stuff. He told me a small rat's body had to be as long as a dollar bill. I don't know what kind of rats he raises but mine don't grow that big.Not the small ones any way. The IBD is true I have heard where he got it from and the whole nine yards. Buyer beware when fooling with this dude. Everyone should not buy from him and others that know him cause they all will have it before long. He lied for a long time about the IBD. I hope everyone sees this thread and stays away from that guy.
 
harveysherps said:
The IBD is true I have heard where he got it from and the whole nine yards. He lied for a long time about the IBD.
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Keep in mind that that would be a pretty serious accusation...if you choose to post, be prepared to back it up.
 
Yes Wes share with all of us where did the IBD come from? I would like to hear this as well, Because hopefully it will take this one step closer to closure.
Funny how all of my supposed IBD infected snakes through over 80 clutches this season with more gravid and better yet more ovulations!
Once again I have very few boas and over 80% of my breeding stock consists of retics, burmese and ball pythons who's immune system will at max only withstand 28 days of IBD. Since the accusations of IBD we have not lost one single breeder or baby. We also have taken the fluid from new born births and have had tests run and everything looks good on our end. This month alone we have sold in excess of 850 reptiles. Come-on guys if you think the facility or care is so bad, Call for your appointment to stop in and see it for yourself! 706-615-4772 Allen Belcher
 
big daddy's wholesal said:
Come-on guys if you think the facility or care is so bad, Call for your appointment to stop in and see it for yourself! 706-615-4772 Allen Belcher
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I think that is a great idea but it has one flaw. Sometimes diseases are not apparent and snakes are especially good at hiding the fact that they are sick.
Someone could theoritacally visit your facility and see animals in spotless conditions but they could be harboring an illness.
The offer to first hand inspect your facility is a good one but I don't think it would have the intended effect of swaying opinions.

I would like to hear the full IBD story since Wes said he knows it. Maybe that would clear up a lot of the accusations.
 
big daddy's wholesal said:
Since the accusations of IBD we have not lost one single breeder or baby. We also have taken the fluid from new born births and have had tests run and everything looks good on our end. Come-on guys if you think the facility or care is so bad, Call for your appointment to stop in and see it for yourself! 706-615-4772 Allen Belcher
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You cant see IBD. You can see the affects of the disease. Having a clean, well equipped and well organized facility is something that I consider standard. It does not mean that you are immune from acquiring IBD through infected stock you may have acquired at some previous point time.

The easiest way for you to put some real closure on this accusation is to post the documentation of the test(s) that were run from your litters. If it looks good on your end it should look good on everyone else end that may have reason to believe IBD has found its way into your collection and may still be present.
 
big daddy's wholesal said:
Yes Wes share with all of us where did the IBD come from? I would like to hear this as well, Because hopefully it will take this one step closer to closure.
Funny how all of my supposed IBD infected snakes through over 80 clutches this season with more gravid and better yet more ovulations!
Once again I have very few boas and over 80% of my breeding stock consists of retics, burmese and ball pythons who's immune system will at max only withstand 28 days of IBD. Since the accusations of IBD we have not lost one single breeder or baby. We also have taken the fluid from new born births and have had tests run and everything looks good on our end. This month alone we have sold in excess of 850 reptiles. Come-on guys if you think the facility or care is so bad, Call for your appointment to stop in and see it for yourself! 706-615-4772 Allen Belcher
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Pretty sure this has already been covered but fluid and fecal tests don't detect IBD. Gotta have tissue samples for proper testing.

Any animal can appear healthy until the ONSET of IBD. Just like anything an animal can carry it ( dormancy )in its system until it becomes active in the animals system. Once it becomes active then the animal deteriates.

Odd as this sounds coming from me to you , I really hope you don't have it. Considering you test every other way except the right way it would spread like wild fire if you did have it and really sold that many animals.
 
Why not post the results of your own tests Allen?

critical bill said:
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The easiest way for you to put some real closure on this accusation is to post the documentation of the test(s) that were run from your litters. If it looks good on your end it should look good on everyone else end that may have reason to believe IBD has found its way into your collection and may still be present.
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What Wes has to say isn't as important as those results. If you have results that show your collection is okay, you should ante up. Don't you want to put this to rest?
 
big daddy's wholesal said:
I see your point! I as well would like to see what Wes has to say.
Allen
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But you are seeing this point through those who are already critical of Wes and his source of information. The guy isn't a fan favorite around here to begin with. If he wasn't taking flack for this post he'd be taking it for something else. Personally I think he's just a tad ticked off with you and has some hurt feeling for you calling his rats scrawny. It wouldn't be the first time something like this has happened on fauna.

Just post the documentation from tests that have been performed that clearly states your collection is safe. Dispute the validity of his accusation with your own verifiable proof. Then we can all laugh at Wes and call him names and all that good stuff.
 
The testing that I have conducted here are done from the vet techs from Auburn University. The results are always vocal. I let them come and do studies on the animals for their knowledge, not because I feel there is a problem. I will call tomorrow and schedule them to pay a visit and collect samples from some different animals and put it on paper and will be glad to post the results. However this still will not change minds or veiws. There will be someone who would have done it differently. IBD can be detected through blood. It however can only be eliminated 100% through tissue.
I still wish some of you would contact Pete Kahl or the University of Florida at Gainsville as I did, to find out more information on IBD.
IBD in snakes is like cancer in humans. It makes levels of blood counts different in reptiles like cancer does to us. However the only way to know if we have cancer is to have a biopsy preformed to either rule in or out the cancer. As is IBD with reptiles there are signs that there is a problem in blood that can rule in IBD but tissue samples have to be performed to conclusively rule in or out IBD. My collection has not and is not showing any sides of problems whether outwardly in apperance or fluid testing done.
Again the incubation of IBD in any python is 28 DAYS. I would be the first to know if I had a problem and would be looking for another career.
Allen Belcher
 
Vendors from the Birmingham reptile show . I will not name names unless one of them show up on this thread. That would not be right. That show from what people around where I live say is eat up with it. I know of one person. Who has had problems with it. this person will never own up to it . Just like some other people that deal with the disease. The disease is highly contagious. I myself lost a whole collection to it 8 years ago. It also affects lizards. I know some are going to disagree. That's my opinion on the lizards . So he may not be the source but he has been near and around the souce. I have to admit alot of my info is from vendors and is hear say. But these guys are reliable. Of course they aren't crazy about the one this thread is about. I just don't like the guy. Sorry it's personal.
 
So what you are saying is...

1- You have not done tissue tests. If IBD is like cancer it can be present just like my sister's cancer & NOT show up in the blood. Were there no still borns this breeding season to test the tissue or maybe even the afterbirth?

2- You state the incubation period as less than 1 month... I had heard that IBD could lay DORMANT for much longer. This isn't true? :shrug01:

Thanks in advance for sheding some light here...
 
Theres a paper trail , they may tell you the results over the phone but the results are on paper somewhere.
 
In boas IBD can live and not have a grave effect on them. But in pythons the incubation is 28 days reguarless of whether its a 20 foot retic a 10 foot burmese or a 3 foot ball. This is one instance where size doesn't matter. It affects them all equally. Death within 28 days. NO EXCEPTION

Allen Belcher
 
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