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Ghi Reptiles said:
Don't let it scare the crap out of you Matt...if there were problems with snakes sold it would be all over the internet and especially all over the BOI...so problem solved ;)


you and i both know that people are not inclined to post when they have a sickness in there collections. that would mean them never again being able to sell snakes and would black list them in this industery. look at all the ibd out there in this industery. how many people have admited to actually having it. 1 or 2.
 
Matt I think you missed this part, Gail was/is one of the owners of Renaissance Reptiles. Are you going to tell me she cannot sell her animals? So who cares who bought them, they were hers to sell.

Keep digging :ack2:
 
fish21 said:
this is what Gail said in court. And as we know form #1 that Gail did have knowledge of nerds facility. so unless this was a lie under oath witch is punishable by law. This is true.

fish21 said:
this is the one that is the main reason I posted this link on here. For the main reason that this was said by Gail in court.

The facts are you don't know what was stated in court. Unless, you have actually seen court documents. Your entire post and conclusions are based on what one party of this divorce has stated on their website. Obviously, you came to the conclusion that what he stated must be true and completely accurate because you have repeated it as absolute truth. Do you know Nigel well enough or have you seen the transcripts in the case for you state that this is what Gail stated in court?
 
fish21 said:
you and i both know that people are not inclined to post when they have a sickness in there collections. that would mean them never again being able to sell snakes and would black list them in this industery. look at all the ibd out there in this industery. how many people have admited to actually having it. 1 or 2.

One word: PROOF, do you have any? NO!!!
 
you and i both know that people are not inclined to post when they have a sickness in there collections. that would mean them never again being able to sell snakes and would black list them in this industery. look at all the ibd out there in this industery. how many people have admited to actually having it. 1 or 2.
Ok then...so are you looking for everyone to hang Kevin from the nearest tree for nobody coming forth and saying they had sick animals from NERD?
 
you and i both know that people are not inclined to post when they have a sickness in there collections. that would mean them never again being able to sell snakes and would black list them in this industery. look at all the ibd out there in this industery. how many people have admited to actually having it. 1 or 2.
Sorry...and btw...if you do some research you will find out that there are indeed big breeders and small breeders who have had problems in the past and they have no problems selling their animals at all...
 
Ghi Reptiles said:
Ok then...so are you looking for everyone to hang Kevin from the nearest tree for nobody coming forth and saying they had sick animals from NERD?

Matt L. you bet ya, that was the plan, seems like it is not much of a hidden agenda any longer. We all see what the plan was now. I am so sorry fish that it did not work out for you.... :rolleyes: :shootfoot
 
what the hell are you talking about boby. i posted a link. that had claimes in it. nothing more. Wich brock are you talking about. i know 3 that are good frinds of mine.
 
fish21 said:
what the hell are you talking about boby. i posted a link. that had claimes in it. nothing more. Wich brock are you talking about. i know 3 that are good frinds of mine.

Oh you know exactly what I am talking about, and it should not be hard to pick the right Brock, everyone else knows the right one. Your little game of playing Mr. Innocents is over.

You did not post this as someone that just ran accross that info, it was a planned attack on Kevin and Kara, so please do stop with the "I don't know crap". You got caught, bottom line.

As for your push to claim Kevin has sick snakes, it is nothing but a lie. If it was even close to true everyone here would know it. So, show proof of your claim, or let it stand as another lie.

It is the bottom of the 9th, you are down by many, it is the third strike, and you are out!!
 
fish21 said:
if everyone know just say it then.

I will give you a good clue, it is the same Brock that is going to leave you here holding the bag. In the end, you will be the one that is taking the fall. That's him, your good friend.
 
Oh no Matt that think I am the guy on the grassy knoll. Little Little Little Bobby Hill oh you are so quick to drop names like mine. Here is a question for you if you have you have balls to answer it. Who mentioned my name to you and told you that I was behind this? You personally don't know me or Matt and you are not heading down the road to starting a good working relationship with either of us! You must be part of my special friends that have the hidden agenda against me. I could only guess their names on who they are. Grow some balls Bobby and admit your source.

For the record Matt posted this without consulting me and I when he told me he did it I told him bad idea nothing would come of it. If you have proof otherwise please show it Bobby Hill. I just love that name!


Brock Wagner
 
soooooo Brock you think you are the one thay are talking about. it would make sence since i havnt talked to the other two in about a month. who do you think this Little bobby hills advisers are?????
 
I could only guess Matt I could only guess. He just wants to attack us and divert the original post. Truth is knowledge Truth is knowledge.

Brock Wagner
 
fish21 said:
Cathy thanks for posting that great non bias post.

Bobby i admit it. it was a group of people behind this. the same group that were the shooters on the grassy knoll. ( you need to quit having noon tea with agent Fox Moulder)

Matt Lerer
If you can read that entire link and only get that from it. I don’t know where to start. The messy divorce is only a small part of the grand pic. The who got what/ who left who/ who who who. is not what I am concerned about.

Quotes form the thread and how they are pertaining to the BOI. I am leavening out all the she left me and ran off with him stuff that has no place here.


1. Subsequent investigation led me to discover that Gail had taken these animals and moved them to a facility owned by Kevin McCurley (hereinafter "Kevin") of New England Reptile Distributors (NERD). -------------------------------------------------- proves that NERD is involved nothing more and that Gail had been in nerds facility.

2. Within hours, Gail, Kevin, and Kara (from NERD) began claiming that these animals had been "stolen". According to their claims, many of the "stolen" animals belonged to NERD; this was a lie.-------------------------------------------------------------just proves bad practices and possible lies. and even if the snakes being sold by nigel were gails/NERDS how did nigel come to have these in his possession to sell.

3. - In May of 2006, Kevin purchased two Spiders and a Ghost from Gail, for about $2,000. When asked why he would do this when he has so many Spiders of his own to sell, Kevin replied that he was "trying to help her [Gail] and give her some money". (During her deposition, however, Gail contradicted Kevin's testimony by testifying under oath that Kevin had purchased $6,000-worth of snakes from her);
- When asked "Who owns Renaissance Reptiles?", Kevin replied "I believe it is in her [Gail's] name, but I thought it was still a marriage asset". Apparently, the animals that Kevin considered "stolen" in November of 2005, were now considered by him to be a "marriage asset"; ----------------------------------------------------------------
self explanatory

4. Kevin had the following to say about the state of the reptile market: "As I am experiencing in my business right now, the market is dead. I have just a very difficult time selling animals and I am waiting, it is a very very hard time right now and I am very disillusioned with the business to the point where I'm downsizing and I'm possibly thinking about getting out to some degree-------------------------------------------
again self explanatory

5. 2007, Gail testified on several occasions that the entire Renaissance Reptiles collection was either dead or dying. The reasons that Gail stated to the Court, and to the court-appointed Special Master, are as follows:
- NERD's facility was riddled with Aspergillus mold, and the Renaissance Reptiles collection had been decimated from exposure to this mold;
- NERD's water supply was contaminated with Cryptosporidium, and the Renaissance Reptiles collection had been further decimated from exposure to this pathogen; ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
this is what Gail said in court. And as we know form #1 that Gail did have knowledge of nerds facility. so unless this was a lie under oath witch is punishable by law. This is true.

6. On several occasions, Gail testified to the Court, and to the court-appointed Special Master, that Kevin had been selling Renaissance Reptiles animals to NERD customers. According to Gail's statements, she did not know who the animals had been sold to, and the buyers did not know that the animals were Renaissance Reptiles animals. An obvious inference to be made from Gail's assertions regarding the Renaissance Reptiles collection housed at NERD, is that anyone purchasing a ball python from NERD may have, in fact, purchased a Renaissance Reptiles animal that was sick. Additionally, if Gail is to be believed, there is a distinct likelihood that many NERD animals may have been similarly afflicted by Aspergillus and/or Cryptosporidium. -------------------------this is the one that is the main reason I posted this link on here. For the main reason that this was said by Gail in court. And to -appointed Special Master

7. In April of 2007, the Probate Court appointed a Special Master charged with the responsibility of inventorying and liquidating the assets of Renaissance Reptiles. The Special Master is the only person with the authority to sell or authorize the sale of Renaissance Reptiles assets. Be advised that anyone purchasing Renaissance Reptiles animals or equipment either from Gail or NERD run the risk of having their purchase seized by the Special Master. If you are considering a purchase from NERD, ask the following questions:
- Is this a Renaissance Reptiles animal...???
- Has this animal been exposed to the Aspergillus that Gail states was widespread at NERD...???
- Has this animal been exposed to the Cryptosporidium that Gail states was in the NERD water supply...??? -----------------------------------------------------------
This would scare the crap out of me had bought snakes from NERD. And I felt people had the right to know about this.

The only thing all of that proves is that Nigel wrote these things on his site. It dont prove a damn thing else. I can post anything I want on my site about anybody I want. Just because something is wrote on a website dont make it true and it certainly is not proof of anything. Maybe you need to look up the word proves in the dictionary.
 
Hkwagner said:
Oh no Matt that think I am the guy on the grassy knoll. Little Little Little Bobby Hill oh you are so quick to drop names like mine. Here is a question for you if you have you have balls to answer it. Who mentioned my name to you and told you that I was behind this? You personally don't know me or Matt and you are not heading down the road to starting a good working relationship with either of us! You must be part of my special friends that have the hidden agenda against me. I could only guess their names on who they are. Grow some balls Bobby and admit your source.

For the record Matt posted this without consulting me and I when he told me he did it I told him bad idea nothing would come of it. If you have proof otherwise please show it Bobby Hill. I just love that name!


Brock Wagner

Oh yes, there we go, it did not take long for you to chime in. Now that is proof, hang around Matt, I will teach ya a few things about proof. See, here comes Brock rushing in, this is proof of the agenda I speak of. As for proof of who told me, I need none. Your here now, well you have been here to the whole time hidden in the shadows.

So Brock, I take it you have some proof to back Matt up? I mean this was both of your plans, help your buddy here.

As for this thread being a bad idea, I cannot agree, it shows the true color of the man behind it. Poor Fish got stuck somewhere in the middle.
 
I started this tread because there are claims on the link I posted that lead me to be concerned about the animals we all love.
Again you are gossiping and have no proof!

Don’t you think if there was really something to this Nigel would have posted this on the BOI himself?

I will ask you this Matt, is the BOI supposed to be about gossip, hearsay and third party’s post?

If you are going to turn this thread against me to distract for what this thread is about. Then you are doing your self and every one here a disservice, and I will not post here any more and contribute. As there are enough people dissevering this industry already.
:nopity:
 
Oh yes, there we go, it did not take long for you to chime in. Now that is proof, hang around Matt, I will teach ya a few things about proof. See, here comes Brock rushing in, this is proof of the agenda I speak of. As for proof of who told me, I need none. Your here now, well you have been here to the whole time hidden in the shadows.

So Brock, I take it you have some proof to back Matt up? I mean this was both of your plans, help your buddy here.

As for this thread being a bad idea, I cannot agree, it shows the true color of the man behind it. Poor Fish got stuck somewhere in the middle.
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Bobby Hill, Owner, Varnyard Herps, Inc.


Little Bobby you read to much inbetween the lines. I wonder who your handlers are and if they are authorizing to do what you are doing? You won't name any names because you are scared! Come on little Bobby say you told this because I know that you don't know me.

I see from your last line of your last post that you are a crazy man who believes everything you hear. Please tell me Bobby what was the agenda. Just because Matt is my friend doesn't mean I was behind all this. Show your proof Bobby Hill you spineless coward!

Brock Wagner
 
Brock Wagner: Little Bobby you read to much inbetween the lines. I wonder who your handlers are and if they are authorizing to do what you are doing? You won't name any names because you are scared! Come on little Bobby say you told this because I know that you don't know me.

I see from your last line of your last post that you are a crazy man who believes everything you hear. Please tell me Bobby what was the agenda. Just because Matt is my friend doesn't mean I was behind all this. Show your proof Bobby Hill you spineless coward!

Brock Wagner

No, you see a real man does his own talking, unlike you and you using poor fish. So by your own actions you have shown who the "spineless coward" really is.
 
Matt did his own thing you don't have any proof no matter how many times you say you do. Until you answer my question which you won't because you are a coward and believe those that told you that I was involved with no proof of what you speak of I am not not going to get into a pissing contest with you. You mentioned my name here I didn't seek you out. Again I think you should consult your handlers on the situation. Also you have done a great job of hijacking the original post which from what I can understand Matt trying to inform the herp community on a potential problem that he felt to notify on the BOI. He never said that Nigels claims were true he just that they were made.

Also Bobby I know that people who are snake breeders don't like to talk about their sick snakes. I don't know what you Tegu people are like but I first impression is not a good one.

Bye Bobby Hill

Brock Wagner
 
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