(inquiry) Rick Denmon @ Ball Boutique

[Ed Clark]

Off Topic Sam, But I hear ya!

What about inappropriate touching?

 

[Ed Clark]

Rick, To answer your question, I dont think you are partners in the truest sence of the word. but what you have laid out, I believe that you are business associates.

What is a Mauled Sparky?

I purchased and sold from Wes Harris and Joe Capone under their new business names.
Wes Harris Reptiles and Power House Reptiles. I hope you can tell who owns what.
Does this make me partners with the above breeders? Dah!

Now "Lets twist again like we did last year." Chubby Checkers........
I realize that you will try and twist this too. BTW Mojo is good at this.....right MauledSparky?

BTW all were quality animals.

Thanks,

Rick Denmon

President of Ball Boutique, Inc.

 

[Cat_72]

This thread is moving almost faster than I can read it and I feel like I'm posting off topic now by referring to something about Rick from 20 pages ago...
Anyway, something I see about the "partnership" issue with Joe that Rick is trying so hard to avoid discussing.
Rick is using a technicality in definition to continue to deny they are partners while at the same time he refuses to admit to what degree they are working together. Whether you file joint taxes is largely irrelevant since we all know there are partnerships that do not fall under the legal definition of the term.

For instance let's say I and one of the other posters here (not Rick or Joe ) go in together to buy a few of a high dollar morph for breeding purposes. We will not be filing joint tax returns, but we are partners on that project none the less.
If you buy some snakes from someone else to resell once in a while, then you are just buying from someone. If however you have a standing arrangement to buy from a given breeder routinely for the purpose of resell then you are no longer merely buying from someone you are now a business associate at the very least. While I still wouldn't label that a partnership exactly, the effect is essentially the same. Even though you are not invested in their breeding operation and have nothing to do with the breeding animals you have a standing business relationship with that person to broker their animals on a regular basis and in this case apparently a large scale.

So the question, which at this point no longer even needs to be asked, is not whether Rick is partnered with Joe, but to what extent does he maintain a business relationship with him? I think it's obvious to all whether Rick will offer full disclosure or not, that he is brokering heavily if not exclusively for Joe Capone.

It just bugs me when someone constantly tries to use semantics to justify what would be considered by the majority to be seedy practices.
No matter how you attempt to define it, Rick is providing a means for Joe Capone to continue in this business. It's also unlikely that he is the only one, just the first to be discovered. Whether or not to approve of that and whether you send him any business or not is a decision for everyone to make on their own.
Either way I'm willing to bet there's at least a couple more people following this thread in the exact same position as Rick wondering if they will be the next to be led to the gallows.

I think Clay has summed Rick up very well.

And he STILL won't come out and say that the animals on "his" presale list belong to Joey Capone.

 

[Clay Davenport]

The big list of purchases

I purchased from Ralph Davis.....

I have also purchased and sold animals from Ian G.......too [ED]!

And the same for Dave & Tracy Barker!

So are you trying to suggest that since you've bought and/or brokered from these breeders that it justifies you doing the same with Capone?
The difference is those breeders are not loathed by the bulk of the industry and have not made it clear that their intent is to tear it down.
Even mentioning the fact that you have bought from these people is entirely irrelevant to the issue at hand.

Now this is the last time I am going to say this......

I purchased and sold from Wes Harris and Joe Capone under their new business names.
Wes Harris Reptiles and Power House Reptiles. I hope you can tell who owns what.
Does this make me partners with the above breeders? Dah!

I certainly hope it's the last time you are going to say it. The same old sidestep is sure getting old.
You're entire statement is in the past tense. Once again you make no reference to the present.
As utterly futile as it is, I will add myself to the list of people who have asked you direct questions which you will inevitably ignore.
Do you currently have any arrangement, on any level, to broker animals for Joe Capone?
How many of the animals listed on your presale list are going to be hatched by Joe Capone?
Are ANY of the visual morphs on your presale list going to be produced by you personally from breeders which you own?
Out of curiosity, for the 2007 season how many breeders are you planning on brokering animals for? Or perhaps a better phrasing would be how many breeders are you planning on buying snakes from for the purpose of resale?
Is it just Joe? Is it primarily Joe?

Ah, that's enough, it's a waste of time and bandwidth anyway.

 

[BallBoutique]

Ah, that's enough, it's a waste of time and bandwidth anyway.

I agree......
This whole thread is 98% a joke.

Nothing to do with my customer service and quality of animals. Is that not what the BOI is about?

Enough said by me. Now go twist it more. Call it a sidestep, back step, forward step. I think YOU and others can figure it out. And it is sad if you can't. If it good enough for Dave and Tracy to do trades and do breeding loans than it sure is ok for me to purchase animals from them. That is the way I see it!
I could care less about Joe's abrasive personality. And what he publicly said. He has given me the BEST ANIMALS and the BEST PRICES and 100% satisfaction on CUSTOMER SERVICE.
BTW there are other loud mouths in the biz besides Joe. And you all know it! Like one of them said to Joe...... "I thought the old man was tapped out!"......referring to me spending lots of money on morphs last year at MKR. That is from a breeder that pushed me away...... thought I was done spending. You just never know......do ya?
FYI
I added the following to my personal collection in the past year.
1.1 genetic stripe
0.1 het genetic stripe
1.0 bumblebee
1.0 caramel albino
1.1 lesser
0.2 Mojave
1,0 clown
1.0 axanthic VPI
0.1 VPI het axanthic
1.0 super pastel
And a few other odds and ends. So in 09 things will pick up here at Ball Boutique. Lots of great projects.

This year I plan to have pieds and hets, albino and hets, pastel, spiders, maybe a VPI snow, a few double hets too. albino x pied....caramel albino x pied. And Spider het axanthic. And other goodies. Depending on what happens. Fingers are crossed.

Hope this helps you out.
Some on the big list are mine and some are Joe's. I took the big list down and eggs are hatching as I type this. I just don't broker animals. I have a nice medium size collection.



Thanks,

Rick Denmon

President of Ball Boutique,Inc.

 

[FATASS]

Some on the big list are mine and some are Joe's.

I guess that about sums it up.

 

[BallBoutique]

I guess that about sums it up.

My thread starter.

I found it strange you started the thread. Yet you work for Ralph Davis.
Do you know some thing about Ralph that we should know about? Since you inquired about me. Animals too high? What was it?

 

[hhmoore]

Before you bark too loudly at FATASS, remember that he started this thread in FEB 2004

 

[BallBoutique]

Before you bark too loudly at FATASS, remember that he started this thread in FEB 2004

Not barking at all.
Just wanted to hear his motives.....
Yes I waited along time but Fatty and I both know he was fishing for dirt. He never replied to the positive post now did he?

 

[Mooing Tricycle]

Not barking at all.
Just wanted to hear his motives.....
Yes I waited along time but Fatty and I both know he was fishing for dirt. He never replied to the positive post now did he?

this is the only constructive post i will make in this thread. Ive got very little to add to it. BUT.

Dont try to turn this thread around on someone else. This thread is about you. If you have proof of another person having shady business dealings such as yourself then, by all means, Post the proof in a NEW thread under that persons name. and be ready to fight with the dogs. Otherwise, i think you should be replying to the questions that people have asked you. Lying, rather, avoiding the truth will only make you look worse....

 

[BallBoutique]

this is the only constructive post i will make in this thread. Ive got very little to add to it. BUT.

Dont try to turn this thread around on someone else. This thread is about you. If you have proof of another person having shady business dealings such as yourself then, by all means, Post the proof in a NEW thread under that persons name. and be ready to fight with the dogs. Otherwise, i think you should be replying to the questions that people have asked you. Lying, rather, avoiding the truth will only make you look worse....

What question did I not answer?
Have you read all my posts?
I have No shady dealings.
Sorry if you feel that way.

 

[Jim O]

I must admit that I also am curious as to why one of Ralph's employees on here making an inquiry.

FATASS, perhaps an explanation of your motivation would be in order. If you were not working for Ralph back in 2004 that's one thing, but if you were, that is different.

I'm not defending Rick, but it would not speak well of Ralph if he sent an underling here to stir things up rather than do it himself.

 

[BallBoutique]

I'm not defending Rick, but it would not speak well of Ralph if he sent an underling here to stir things up rather than do it himself.

BINGO!
Very good.
Ralph also has a construction Co. And Fatty works for him.
Fatty was trying to get some bad information about me.
I believe both went to HS together too.
Ralph and I had a falling out! Yepper
So some of the RDR gang came in here to bash me.
Mojo follows me from forum to forum. Same with Jassballs.
Always trying to put my business down. Or making false acquisitions about me.

 

[Cat_72]

I must admit that I also am curious as to why one of Ralph's employees on here making an inquiry.

FATASS, perhaps an explanation of your motivation would be in order. If you were not working for Ralph back in 2004 that's one thing, but if you were, that is different.

I'm not defending Rick, but it would not speak well of Ralph if he sent an underling here to stir things up rather than do it himself.

Keeping in mind that the original post was in 2004 here.....

If Ralph is "trying to find dirt" on Rick, and it bothers him so...why does Rick brag that Joey got Ralph a great deal on a new Viper?

It just don't add up.

And though I don't know this "mojo" person, I do know that John has been a posting member here for quite awhile, unlike Rick...so how does that make John following Rick?

And for the record, I am not nor ever have I been a member of the RDR forums.

And I'm curious, what "false accusations" have been made here?

 

[jasballs]

Mojo follows me from forum to forum. Same with Jassballs.
Always trying to put my business down. Or making false acquisitions about me.

I follow you? Should I post more emails of yours Ricky?
I try to put your business down? Your doing that all by yourself working with Scum!!
False acuisitions? Show me one false thing I have posted about you!

 

[LadyOhh]

I'm sorry, but your accusations on the RDR crew is completely ridiculous...

Mojo is here, Jas is here, Fatty is here. I am here... IT'S A BIG WIDE WORLD AND A BIG FORUM!!!

Doesn't mean that there is a vendetta against you...

You can be the victim all you want, but it seems to be only in your eyes.

Just means that when a can of worms is opened up about shady dealings, and people have things to say, they will come forward.

 

[BallBoutique]

Keeping in mind that the original post was in 2004 here.....

If Ralph is "trying to find dirt" on Rick, and it bothers him so...why does Rick brag that Joey got Ralph a great deal on a new Viper?

It just don't add up.

And though I don't know this "mojo" person, I do know that John has been a posting member here for quite awhile, unlike Rick...so how does that make John following Rick?

And for the record, I am not nor ever have I been a member of the RDR forums.

And I'm curious, what "false accusations" have been made here?

UMMMM Correction

John joined March 2004 278 posts
I joined December 2003 81 posts

Who's on first?

Now Fatass Joined August 2003 3 posts umm all here?
And Mojo Joined November 2003 5 posts how many here?

Does this help with some facts?

The false statements are calling Joe and myself a scumbag.
Should I call you the same? Joe gave you a $500.00 because he never called you back! How many breeders would do that NO ONE! Yet you call him a scumbag! Sad.....real sad!

On a side note is that a dog in your picture? Or a fancy rodent? Sorry I never saw a dog like that if it is.

 

[Jim O]

Keeping in mind that the original post was in 2004 here.....

I understand that Cathy, but also keep in mind that questions regarding the motivation of the OP are legitimate in any BOI thread. There's no statute of limitations on that. The fact that FATASS, an employee and longtime buddy of Ralph's, was inquiring about Rick makes little sense unless it was for somewhat nefarious reasons. After all, if FATASS wanted a BP he'd probably get it from Ralph or have Ralph get it for him, seeing as they have apparently a close relationship and Ralph's collection dwarf's Rick's by anyone's calculations. Clearly FATASS was not intending to do business with Rick, so what was his purpose? The fact that FATASS made the post in 2004 and only returned when things heated up in 2007 adds more suspicion. Again, as Rick pointed out, three posts on Fauna, three on this thread, one in 2004 and two recently.

I'd say clearly the OP's intent was to stir up dirt. It does not speak well for FATASS or for Ralph.

 

[SPJ]

I'm curious about the albino Rick has posted.
Who produced it and who owns it?

 

[jasballs]

I understand that Cathy, but also keep in mind that questions regarding the motivation of the OP are legitimate in any BOI thread. There's no statute of limitations on that. The fact that FATASS, an employee and longtime buddy of Ralph's, was inquiring about Rick makes little sense unless it was for somewhat nefarious reasons. After all, if FATASS wanted a BP he'd probably get it from Ralph or have Ralph get it for him, seeing as they have apparently a close relationship and Ralph's collection dwarf's Rick's by anyone's calculations. Clearly FATASS was not intending to do business with Rick, so what was his purpose? The fact that FATASS made the post in 2004 and only returned when things heated up in 2007 adds more suspicion. Again, as Rick pointed out, three posts on Fauna, three on this thread, one in 2004 and two recently.

I'd say clearly the OP's intent was to stir up dirt. It does not speak well for FATASS or for Ralph.

How does it have anything to do with Ralph? I have started a thread here on someone I never intended to buy from, Just to show people what was going on. Fatass, Can do the same correct? Jim, This post is about Rick! If you want to start one on Ralph Have at it! Good Luck!