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Intense Herpetoculture - Any feedback?

espo said:
This was sent to me yesterday.

Craig,

I am not trying to place the blame on you.

As for the Hammacks, I have not even told them myself we are moving. I have not told them we are going there in Aug to check out the place. I do not knwo where they have gotten the info from, I am guessing my wife and I's myspace. This is what I posted on my myspace.

"Well, after Kelley and myself going over the pros and cons of a possible move, we have decided (pending a trip in Aug) that we will likely be moving to Bolivia. I am very excited about this venture and I can't tell you that nothing thrills me more then adventuring for herps and inverts in the Amazon rainforest, let alone, I'll be my job! Got to collect that breeding stock some how.

So, we'll be going in Aug for about 10-14 days. One of the main things fo the trips will be scouting out houses, schools, and just the general idea of how things work down in Bolivia. We'll also be taking a trip to Lake Titicaca where I will be collect the Giant Lake Titicaca frog (Telmatobius
cuelus) for a breeding project in Santa Cruz (which would be where we would move). "

As for the Hammacks. I ahve been friends with them for quite some time and I am very saddened that our friendship ended this way. For them to publically go out there and pretty much tear into me, I don't know how to respond. What they covered was not related in any way to the thread, so in my view it was very wrong on there part. I have done anything and everything for there family during difficult and trying times, as well as those that are happy. I can not comment on their life now as I have not spoken to them recently. I still think they are great people, but I just can't beleive the things they have said about me.


As for refunding you in full, as I said beofre, I can't right now. Pond business is slow due to rain and the animals surely are not taking off at the moment. We are doing what we can, but that's about it. I may be able to pay you in payments or at least send some Cerastes vipers, but that's the best I can do right now.

Regards,
Justyn

OK , what I'm getting out of this is....

1) I'm trying not to blame you for sending me money that I plan on using to flee the country with.

2) I'm such a lowlife sack of crap that I'll take this opportunity to rub some rock salt in the wounds of the Hammack family. I can cuz I'm so unclassy its unbelievable.

3) I'm a child trapped in a man's body without the testicular fortitude to man up and square away my responsibilities before I flee the country with your stolen money.

4) To anyone that I stole money from , I have animals that won't take off for me but I'm willing to send you crap non feeders for your " donations " to my " GOTTA GET OUT OF THE COUNTRY " fund.

5) Thank you for sending me money to flee to Bolivia. I couldn't have done it without you.

Kelly , I'm very sorry that folks take pot shots at your family's loss. I know you stood behind him as a friend and supporter until you couldn't any longer. Your good people and deserve better.

Judging by his timeline and excuses , its looking doubtful anymore refunds will be forthcoming. If they do I'd be surprised.
 
Pretty sad when someone would even remind somebody who has suffered such a tragedy as the Hammack's have,that they were there for you during that tragedy.Were they really there for you??I never knew benevolence had certain conditions,like Kelly selling out her ethics when it comes to you Justyn.Every situation has a fork in the road in it,when you make the wrong choice,you admit it,rectify it to the best of your abilities,and get back to the right path,IF YOU CARE ABOUT THOSE ON THE PATH WITH YOU.I would say we all have been obvious witnesses to Justyn's priorities,and his choice of path.
 
Has Jystin Paid everyone Back yet?

I can't convey the magnitude of disappointment in Jystin. Spreading himself so thin that a Clone job is the only way out. I hoped by now repayment would of been complete....Who is still owed? I will relay all who come forward.
I think he got ripped by a exporter from Congo. He stopped reading Fauna.........That seems to happen when people get into a Bad jam....Step
up Jystin....This needs resolve....Let us know the truth....What ever that might be.......
 
Keith Northrop said:
I can't convey the magnitude of disappointment in Jystin. Spreading himself so thin that a Clone job is the only way out. I hoped by now repayment would of been complete....Who is still owed? I will relay all who come forward.
I think he got ripped by a exporter from Congo. He stopped reading Fauna.........That seems to happen when people get into a Bad jam....Step
up Jystin....This needs resolve....Let us know the truth....What ever that might be.......

Well Keith, you can put my name first on that list and I'm curious as to how many others are out there as well.
 
Keith Northrop said:
I can't convey the magnitude of disappointment in Jystin. Spreading himself so thin that a Clone job is the only way out. I hoped by now repayment would of been complete....Who is still owed? I will relay all who come forward.
I think he got ripped by a exporter from Congo. He stopped reading Fauna.........That seems to happen when people get into a Bad jam....Step
up Jystin....This needs resolve....Let us know the truth....What ever that might be.......


You can add me as well Keith. I have not received my refund & I doubt I will. I would think you know exactly whats going on, considering Justyn claims to be your best friend. As for the Congo shipment & Justyn being ripped off. Justyn has told me time & time again that he has the snakes & can ship anytime. When you tell him to ship, he vanishes for a week & gives some outlandish excuse on why he couldn't ship. Same goes for the refunds.

I don't think there every was going to be a Congo shipment. He needed money to leave the country.
 
Another sucker for Justyn's scam

Don't forget about me. I sent Justyn money too, thinking he was an honest person and not thieving scum. That was back in March. I know better now.
Two weeks ago he told me that he would send me a refund. Last week he told me that he was getting another shipment of squamigers and would send the snakes. Two nights ago he said he is sending me a refund, of course no date given. Not that a date would matter to him, he's broken dozens of ship dates / refund dates with his "customers".
I've got to agree that he's going to cut and run, trying to leave his debts behind.
 
Aparently he has the money to order more inverts as well... unless this is just more BS to try to come up with more "flee the country" money. I can't believe he sent this to me... must have forgotten I was one of the people on the list for a while.

Botar

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I have the following ready for shipment, packing is $5.00, charges are
billed at weight, average around $45.00. I ship UPS-FedEx Monday thru
Friday, Sat delivery is $15.00 (not avail at all locations). I accept money
orders, credit cards, and checks.
Regards
Justyn

Tarantulas
Asian Tiger striped tarantulas (Ornithocotonus gadgili ) $10.00 Adults
Belize Cinnamon tarantula (Crassicrus lamanai) $15.00 Adults
Cobalt Blue Tarantula (Haplopelma lividum) $20.00 Adults
Costa Rican Tiger rump (Cyclosternum fasciatum) $13.50 Adults
Feather leg baboon (Pterinochilus sp.) $9.00 Adults
Fort hall baboon (Pterinochilus ssp.) $8.00 Adults
Goliath bird eating tarantulas (Therophosa blondi) $90.00 Adults
Goliath bird eating tarantulas (Therophosa blondi) $125.00 JUMBOS
Goliath pink foot (Pseudotheraphosa apophysis) $100.00 Adults
Guatemala Striped knee tarantula (Aphanopelma seemani) $8.00 Adults
Guyana Pink Toe Tarantula (Avicularia avicularia) $12.50 Adults
Ornamental Starburst Tarantula (Heteroscodra maculata) $14.00 Adults
Panama Red rump (Sericopelma rubronitens) $28.00 Adults
Rosehair Tarantula (Grammastola cala) $6.50 Adults
Usambura Starburst Baboon (Pterinochilus sp) $9.00 Adults
Waco Tarantulas (Aphonopelam waconum) $10.00 Adult Females

Scorpions
Asian forest scorpions (Heterometrus longimanus) $6.00 Adults
Asian forest scorpions (Heterometrus longimanus) $4.00 2nd instar
Red claw emperor scorpions (Pandinus cavimus) $6.00 Adults
S.African tri-colour scorpion (Opistophthalmus ecristatus) $15.00 Adults
Tanzanian armored scorpion (Hottentata trilineatus) $9.00
Tanzanian Olive flat rock scorpion (Hadogenes paucidens) $7.00 Adults

Other inverts
Red trapdoor spider (Stasimpis robertsi) $10.00
Banana Slugs (Ariolimax columbianus) $7.50
Black Giant millipeds (Archispirostreptus gigas) $6.00
U.S. Millipeds (Spirobolus ssp) $2.00
Red headed Centipede AZ (Scolopentra hero) $9.00 Sm-Md




Justyn Miller
Intense Herpetoculture
Http://www.IntenseHerp.com
 
Promises, promises = LIES

Just thought I'd throw up a few of the more recent lies from Justyn. Nothing new or exciting, just more lies and promises. All I'm really trying to get out of this now is for him to admit that he's a crook who deliberately set out to rip us off. If he had any concept of what truth is he would.

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From : Intense Herpetoculture <[email protected]>
Reply-To : [email protected]
Sent : Thursday, July 26, 2007 12:11 PM
Subject : RE: Now is the time.
No, it has not been sent yet. When I send it I will scan the money order and the tracking number and send it.
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From : Intense Herpetoculture <[email protected]>
Reply-To : [email protected]
Sent : Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:58 PM

Andy, I got a check form Paypal on some of the frozen funds from an account. I am just waiting for the check to clear.
Regards, Justyn
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From : Intense Herpetoculture <[email protected]>
Sent : Friday, July 20, 2007 6:07 AM
I should be able to do that next week. However I can not send it via paypal.
-----Original Message-----
From: "andy via" <[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]"
Subject: RE: REally sick of this

There is nothing to say. Just refund my money.

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From : Intense Herpetoculture <[email protected]>
Sent : Friday, July 13, 2007 10:36 PM

Andy, I have a new shipment coming on Friday, just got the booking inf today. I will ship the animals the day after pending hydrating them.
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From : Intense Herpetoculture <[email protected]>
Reply-To : [email protected]
Sent : Thursday, June 21, 2007 6:15 PM
Subject : RE:black squams

I'll get photos to you before they are sent out of the different variegty in the blacks so you can choose what shades. I have silverish/grey animals, so that should be no problem.
Thanks , Justyn
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From : Intense Herpetoculture <[email protected]>
Reply-To : [email protected]
Sent : Thursday, June 21, 2007 5:32 PM
Subject : RE:black squams
Andy, I got in two squam shipments, one did not have red ones. The shipment without the red came in very well, but I have had more die off then I would like, I suspect kidney failure in those animals, perhaps due to a prolonged period of dehydration. I will send blacks from the other shipment.
Thanks , Justyn
 
Just received another email from Justyn upset about me posting the previous post. I will say that I did not take a moment to think about posting the prices... I should not have done so, but unfortunately I cannot edit my post. For that, I apologize, but not for relaying the information.

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Ok Charles, someone recently told me of your BOi posting, I have a few
questions for you.

First, why did you make the post? Were you just trying to apply more
UNFOUNDED damage to me? after all, I settled out dispute and what service
did you post make? I guess I thought more highly of you, since you have
always kept the facts straight. I find it rather funny that you can come up
with ideas in relation to me, post them, and not even run ONE of them by me
as you present them as the truth.

Second, me fleeing the country! I am tired of this bullshit, I am not
fleeing the country. If I ment to rip ANYONE off I would have done that,
ripped them off, chnaged my phone number, changed my business name, NEVER
SENT YOU A GOOD DAMN SCORPION. I am visiting Bolivia, why? My wife and
myself are checking out Bolivia for a possible move in JAN of 2008! It is
being finaced by the previous funded collection of Telmatoibus I sent good
money for over a year ago. I have had difficulty bringing this species out
(unless they breed them) so I am going to Bolivia to do just that, breed
these frogs and bring the tadpoles back. Did you get that, I'm coming back
to the USA afterall.

Third, I did not forget you were on the list. I sent you the price list for
the simple fact that you may be interested. I sent you scorpions at DIRT
bottom prices, cheaper then ANYONE else in the past has sold them to you. I
offered you a price list of wholesale prices, and I see you've gone and
posted it? What, are you of low a class that you post the prices to a
wholesale price list on an online forum? Maybe I should post to people what
you paid for those scorpions? Better yet, I'll devulge a HUGE percenatge of
your sources for animals, post those prices of what you paid. It was wrong
of you to post a WHOLE price list online.

Also, how do you know how I acquired those animals? Maybe its from a trade,
maybe I paid cash. Maybe I'm brokering them, or had them in my collection.
Perhaps I don't have them at all and simple made everything up to steal more
money. You did not put the truth on there, because you did not know the
truth. If you want to make it a perosonal campain to go after me in public
forums, I'll be more then happy to do the same to you.

I have to make a living somehow don't I? Why is it so wrong for me to
contuine offering animals? I am not trying to deceive anyone, am I? Have I
changed my name, contact info? No, I deserve what I have done to people,
and until I fix it, I will contuine to carry the burden. I am not going for
a quick fix, I am not trying to be in "stealth" mode. I am trying to make a
living, trying to feed my family and return what is other peoples money to
them. This is how I do it, I trade in livestock.

With closing, I am not a theif, I am going to make right ANYONE I wronged,
and althoguh we had our issues I still thought of you as a good guy.


Justyn Miller
Intense Herpetoculture
Http://www.IntenseHerp.com
 
what a joke. this man isnt getting any new shipments in andy, please, hes broke. a good thing you might want to do is, contact the us fish and wildlife offices in either miami or texas (both probable ports on where his shipments come in) and let us fish and wildlife know whatsup, they could freeze any incoming shipments and or yank his license to import. thats prob. your best bet, good luck on getting money back from a liar/thief.
 
Invert list

Okay, I can see Justyn's point posting the prices. As you (Charles / Botar) admit, though inadvertant, it wasn't the right thing to do. But what happens next? Justyn switches into full mode as the victim.

>>If I ment to rip ANYONE off I would have done that<<
Well, he's had about $700 from me for four months, over $500 from Paul, around $1500 from Espo, over $1000 from a fellow in Texas. He won't refund the money or deliver the animals promised. That's being ripped off to me.

>>I find it rather funny that you can come up with ideas in relation to me, post them, and not even run ONE of them by me<<
Yes, it would be common courtesy to have every complaint edited by the person you're complaining about, wouldn't it? It would cut down on alot of bickering, and many of these annoying threads wouldn't even get posted.

>>Also, how do you know how I acquired those animals? Maybe its from a trade, maybe I paid cash. Maybe I'm brokering them, or had them in my collection. Perhaps I don't have them at all and simple made everything up to steal more money.<<

I've nothing to add to that statement.
 
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>>Also, how do you know how I acquired those animals? Maybe its from a trade, maybe I paid cash. Maybe I'm brokering them, or had them in my collection. Perhaps I don't have them at all and simple made everything up to steal more money.<<


I bet thats whats going on.
I was told I should have my refund last Monday.
I did not get it.
 
Making a list of everyone who has bee scammed and government departments to contact.

Hello, My name is Gordon Styron, I just found this thread. I sent Payment to Justyn Miller on May 14, 2007. I never recieved any Geckos. And he is not responding to our daily phone calls and E-mails. If someone hasn't done it already, I would like to start compiling a list of everyone who has been ripped off by Justyn Miller. I would also like to here what steps others have taken against Justyn Miller. What goverment departments others have contacted and how helpful they were. Is there anyone else besides Eric who has recieved a refund. Please E-mail us or post on this forum the following; Your name, a contact phone#, when you made payment to Justyn Miller, and how much you are owed. Also, please include any steps you have taken against Justyn or measures to retrieve you money. I would also like those who know, to divulge as much information about Justyn Miller as possible. Including his full address, alternate phone #'s, cell phone, his place of employment, etc.etc.
Thanks
Gordon Styron
www.Bigeasyreptiles.com
 
Justyn Miller-Pathological Liar

Justyn also deals in ponds and koi. I signed a contract with him Oct 2006 to build a koi pond. He is slick with the sale and even slicker with the excuses as to why he could not show up to work on it. 150+ emails later, he finsihed May 07. It leaks like crazy. He promised numerous times to fix it and get it correct--never showed up again. I believe he has left the country(both phone numbers I have are disconnected). I paid over $10,000 for the pond and he broke the contract that he drewup. I am filing a law suit against him from when(if) he re-enters the country. He is a Liar and a theif and should not be dealt with at all. If anyone has an address or different phone number I could try, that would be very helpful--I would prefer that the pond just gets done, Thanks for any help. Dave
 
The pot calls the kettle black

I was looking at Jusyn's old posts and came across this one. It is Justyn talking about another reptile dealer. I know several of us agree with what Justyn is saying -- he's describing himself perfectly.

"A lot of people do not understand why I have it out to get Bill, simply put, I care. ... When I first meet Bill I liked him, Keith told me there was something about Bill that he did not like. I told Keith to give Bill a chance. I was proven wrong. I found out Bill will lie, cheat, and attempt to destroy a good name for the all mighty dollar."
 
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