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Jake Terry tricked me

amcroyals said:
:confused: you have no dog in this??? :confused: people like you make me sick with remarks like that and then carry on with a bunch of more remarks that discount your original remark. For this reason I refuse to post anymore on this!

Alan Cole
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:eek: Uh oh, I angered the "vet tech" Feel free to not post here and don't let the door hitcha, where the good lord spltcha....but it seems to me that you Alan missed the part of my post about quarantine and selling an animal that is obviously sub par. Neither one of these to individuals involved with this deal get a free pass from me!

Having the certificate that you earned, you of all people should have advised your friend, client or what have you, that quarantine of any new acquisition is a must. Or did you miss that day in school?
 
Laura Fopiano said:
:eek: Uh oh, I angered the "vet tech" Feel free to not post here and don't let the door hitcha, where the good lord spltcha....but it seems to me that you Alan missed the part of my post about quarantine and selling an animal that is obviously sub par. Neither one of these to individuals involved with this deal get a free pass from me!

Having the certificate that you earned, you of all people should have advised your friend, client or what have you, that quarantine of any new acquisition is a must. Or did you miss that day in school?
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You tell them Laura and I agree with both of your posts. Very little thought was placed on the well being of the snake. That injury is clearly visible and I don't doubt painful. It is beyond me why people take an animal and look at it strictly for financial gain. Count your blessings you didn't buy a snake carrying a virus that could have wiped out all your snakes. I think both of you showed your true colors on this one and the only one suffering is that snake.
 
I love animals.

I love money.

I wish I could pay for my kids' education with animals.

Please don't make this about the snake ouchie alone.
 
Did the snake arrive in the condition it shows in the photo?
If that is a photo of what it looked like when it arrived, I would have sent it back immediately.
If that is what it looks like after attempting to breed, then that might be why he kept it. It might not have looked like a serious issue.
It all boils down to what it looked like when it arrived IMO.
If that photo shows it out of the box, you NEVER should have attempted breeding it and should have sent it back the same day it arrived.
 
mvite said:
That kid needs to make this right.
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Agreed.... But I have no sympathy for the buyer. Did he ever ask for pictures of this "rub" before the snake shipped. I missed that I believe.
 
I must have missed that too John. IF there were pics of it BEFORE he bought it, then bingo.
BOTH are at fault.

Randal
 
BS! Jake withheld all information concerning the snake ever having a prolapse. To me that trumps everything else. You dont sell a snake without disclosing all known medical issues. And Jake damn well knew better too. This was a devious planned attempt to pass off a snake that Jake could not breed.
 
Thank you for the questions that will help me further clarify this thread.

The picture that I posted was taken right after the butter male had been attempting to breed here.

The injury was much more severe-looking right after the attempted breeding (as shown in picture). When the snake arrived, the area in question looked superficially like Jake had described it, like a small abraded area.

Although I did not request a picture of the snake from Jake, and of course regret that now, nothing about the initial appearance of the snake upon arrival indicated cause for alarm, or made me suspect that Jake had lied about the true nature of the problem.

After the snake had been here for two months, I let him attempt to breed one of the few females here that had not ovulated or laid eggs, for two days, and as noted, I did observe courting behavior. Once I took the snake out of the tub, the damage seen in the picture was evident. At that point, I notified Jake and the snake’s original owner, Brock Wagner. The truth then started to emerge that the injury I saw after the snake had been attempting to breed for me was likely of the same kind as the snake had exhibited in the past when Jake had him. Apparently Jake’s vet, according to Brock, had felt that this snake needed a rest that would last until next year. But Jake told me the snake was good to go right away, as the emails I have posted will validate. Therefore, Jake had set me and this snake up to fail.

I have arranged to take this snake to a veterinarian tomorrow evening. I will gladly post the results of that appointment when available.

I have found, and many experienced herpers will probably concur, that unless you find just the right vet, your snake’s prognosis will be worse than if you treat at home. Additionally, Jake had alternately agreed to receive the snake back, and then changed his opinion, such that I was not able to see an obvious course of action. I did talk to an experienced breeder who told me that keeping the area moistened and as antiseptic as possible would buy some time, and I began that course of action immediately.

At this point in time, the snake is eating, drinking, basking, and generally in good health, with the obvious exception of the inflamed area. The snake appears not to have any difficulty moving about his enclosure, and the paper towels that are now being used as substrate to not appear to be exacerbating the condition. This snake is of course not likely to be in my breeding program now or in the future. I will refer to the vet’s opinion about this male’s chance to ever again become a viable breeder.
 
Honestly I don't see where the buyer is at fault if he didn't ask for photos of the "rub".
The snake was evidently represented as a healthy proven breeder in the ad and up to the point of payment on May 14.

There was NO mention of anything until just before shipment when Jake noticed the "small rub" and indicated the vet had prescribed a 3-day antibiotic regime. There were 5 days between payment and shipping, and miraculously in those 5 days Jake noticed the "rub", the snake was claimed to have been taken to the vet and put on a 3-day antibiotic regime. Sounds very suspicious.

The next email from Jake on the day of shipping: "I took him straight out of the girls tub, who he had obviously bred with and into the shipping box. He should be good to go!Jake"

Now, that may or may not be a total lie.
For the sake of argument, let's say Jake was NOT lying. If in fact, he took the snake to the vet and had truly just completed a 3-day regime of antibiotics for a minor rub that was attributed by the vet to excessive breeding (or attempts), then why the hell is Jake putting someone else's (sold!) Butter with a female right before shipping when he KNOWS it's just been treated for the "rub" contributed to excessive breeding?
Additionally, if Jake was NOT lying, and he did put the Butter with a female right before shipping, what else does it say about him? It says he disregarded the health of the snake and the recommendations of the vet who we now know advised him the snake should not be bred until winter due to the earlier prolapse suffered in his care.

On the other hand, if Jake WAS lying just to bolster the sale & his credibility (fully aware there might be problems later since the snake DID prolapse in his care, thus covering his butt) then he's still totally at fault and a liar.

It makes absolutely no sense that the buyer would have spent $865. on a Butter with a known propensity for prolapse had he been informed of the true history of the snake. Jake knew Doug wanted the snake for breeding, after all.
Jake purposely withheld that information just to make the sale.

Either way, the snake needs immediate medical care. The photo is hideous!The snake does not need to be returned to Jake; he only cared about dumping it off on some unsuspecting buyer anyway and it seems obvious to me, at least, that he certainly doesn't care about it's condition, since he actually bragged about putting him with a girl right before he shipped.

Jake owes Doug, plain and simple, IMHO. Pay up, Jake.

And Doug ... forget viable breeder. Think living creature that's being exploited (and now injured) for the sole purpose of greed. He will make a beautful pet even if he can no longer make beautiful babies.
 
Now, that may or may not be a total lie.
For the sake of argument, let's say Jake was NOT lying. If in fact, he took the snake to the vet and had truly just completed a 3-day regime of antibiotics for a minor rub that was attributed by the vet to excessive breeding (or attempts), then why the hell is Jake putting someone else's (sold!) Butter with a female right before shipping when he KNOWS it's just been treated for the "rub" contributed to excessive breeding?
Additionally, if Jake was NOT lying, and he did put the Butter with a female right before shipping, what else does it say about him? It says he disregarded the health of the snake and the recommendations of the vet who we now know advised him the snake should not be bred until winter due to the earlier prolapse suffered in his care.

On the other hand, if Jake WAS lying just to bolster the sale & his credibility (fully aware there might be problems later since the snake DID prolapse in his care, thus covering his butt) then he's still totally at fault and a liar.
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Good analysis Laura. I'd like to see Jake's response, especially about breeding a snake that wasn't his.
 
Laura, Laura, Laura....perfection as always. You made the point that I was trying to make!

Doug I apologize for being so rough on you. I have been around here for a long time, have seen way too many deals gone wrong, and I am a bit jaded.

Jake??? Where are you?? Are you going to refund this man or at least pay his vet bills?
 
Laura F, Kevin, Doug ...

Thank you very much.

I'm disappointed that Jake has not responded, especially since he was here at 8:46 PM (Thursday night, 7-31).
You know what they say about silence ... it speaks volumes.
 
Hi guys,

Veterinary treatment started this evening for the butter male.

I will have more time and information tomorrow to keep you updated.

Jake, the veterinarian asked me for previous vet records...

Thank you.
 
Yesterday evening, the butter male was seen by a veterinarian, Dr. Keith Sierbinski.

The tentative diagnosis is that he has a chronic inflammatory and/or hypertrophic condition at the base of the hemipene that has been exacerbated by attempted breeding. The term prolapse has already been used in conjunction with this snake. As it turns out, this is a form of prolapse, but not prolapse of the entire hemipene organ; rather, it is a prolapse of aggravated tissue at the base of the organ.

The initial treatment will be application of Silvadene, which is an ointment that has both antibiotic and anti-inflammatory effects. The injured area does not appear to be infected at this time, but it is vulnerable to infection.

The veterinarian did ask if I could provide the previous medical records. I told him that the previous owner is withholding them, apparently to avoid blame for not disclosing to me the severity and chronic nature of this condition.

The snake will be brought by the veterinarian who saw him today to a second veterinarian this weekend for another opinion.

If the Silvadene does not cure the condition, the hemipene may require excision.

I will continue to post new information as it becomes available to me.

Jake, would you call your vet, authorize him to release the snake’s medical records, and email me his contact info so that I can pass this on to Dr. Sierbinski?
 
Dispute through Paypal or credit card

Does anyone have experience disputing a purchase through Paypal or credit card?

I used Paypal, and the payment was from my business credit card.

Unless Jake steps forward, I think my only recourse is to let either Paypal or the credit card company deal with Jake. I kind of doubt that they will give up when Jake's dad gets on the phone and tells them that Jake is too upset to talk.
 
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