Jeane Best- River City Reptiles (Bad Guy)

[Ed Clark]

Jeane Best- River City Reptiles (Bad Guy)

he died not even 6 months later.

I did find that a male of this quality was being sold at this price was a bit odd he was an incredible red orange color with intense blue side bars and I got him dirt cheap. At the time I should have taken that as a warning and asked more about it but I didn't as I was being told it was just because she didn't have any room from him. After only 24 hours of owning him I noticed he really was never eating like any of my dragons did so I emailed Jeane about this and got no reply finally after a week of emails I gave up. He continued to be a very odd eater and was never very active let alone moved much at all. I began trying to breed him to see if maybe he just needed to see some females, I was able to get him to breed one of my females successfully but then he refused to even beard up at anymore. He simply went back to his old laying around and eating very little

!!Bad Seller!!

You jumped on a cheap price like a hungry fish on a worm!

You knew you had a sick dragon on your hands and you bred him!! unfreakin believable.

You say bad seller, I say bad buyer.

 

[HowlinGaleDragons]

Actually he was bred under the conditions he was guarenteed healthy so nothing wrong there his babies are 100% healthy I sent the vet report and Euthenasia certificate and Jeane called me a liar even when my vet called and discussed this with her she dose not care about what happens to any animal. Do not start talking about my creditability for I am a hobby breeder my animals are my pets first breeders second they get the best care. Jeane is a known issue she bought dragons from a breeder I know and never paid him for them how's that sound? A good breeder wouldn't put a sick dragon up for sale nor ignore emails made by me within 24 hours.

 

[Ed Clark]

Nicole, you stated that after only 24 hours you noticed that the dragon was not right, and yet you used him to breed.

Have you ever thought that the stress of breeding a sick dragon could have killed him?

 

[Cat_72]

Nicole,

I can see both sides of the coin on this one.

I agree, if you attempted to contact Jeanne within 24 hours to notify her of problems with the animal, by all means she should have contacted you back, and at least tried to work with you on what was wrong with the Beardie. Unfortunately, it does not surprise me, after knowing of her history of not so great things, shall we say?

But, if there were concerns on his health on your end from the beginning, there really should have been an immediate vet visit with full workups, not waiting until several months later. And, he really never should have been introduced to ANY of your animals, not knowing if there was something potentially contagious that he could have passed on to them.

IMO....if you would have brought this to the BOI much earlier, and had not introduced him to your own colony, the response here may have been very different (well, except for from Jim, but the "ignore" feature aids in that respect lol).

I am very sorry for your loss, but I think at this point the best thing you can do is to worry about amking certain that your existing colony remains healthy. It probably wouldn't be a bad idea to have some feccals and blood workups done on at least a couple of the females that were exposed to him, just to be on the safe side.

While I don't think it's feasible to hold Jeanne responsible for his death after this amount of time, I guess it still is a fair warning that she ignored you, your concerns, and her TOS after the sale.

Good luck to you.

 

[Cat_72]

sheesh, typos galore...

*making, not amking, and *fecals, not feccals....

 

[Chameleon Company]

Nicole,

you state:
Actually he was bred under the conditions he was guaranteed healthy

But yet you stated he was not healthy. So, I ask you, which "condition" was it?

How about some proof of you making a TOS claim in the first 72 hours after you received the animal? To be very honest, your claim that it should have had some sort of industry standard vet check, before it was sold to you, is also unsubstantiated. Please post that rationale. Thanks.

 

[HerpOly]

Tim,
You, and many others here, will put credence in allegations at whatever whim suits you. Others prefer reasonable evidence before casting their lot. My reputation is just fine with my posts here. If, on the other hand, I came here half-cocked, or attacked your credibility because a son, father, brother, etc, was of criminal background, as you chose to do in your first post, then my reputation, integrity, and everything else that I felt held honor, would be in doubt. Whatever the true story here, and we certainly don't know it based on what has been presented so far, one thing is not in doubt. That would be that you are an assclown. A fool. A punk. All just IMMHO, as usual.

Jim, instead of offering a compelling argument, you chose a childish name calling retort. Jeane and Wendy were partners in crime. It has been documented here on numerous occasions. I have not based my judgment on the daughter's actions, but the mother's this time. It was not a half-cocked response, it was based on factual history. Jeane has been involved in shady deals A LOT. Isn't there some business about Rankin's dragons that has shown Jeane's unethical side?

Why do you avoid the question about your relationship with Jeane and her daughter? Your unwavering support of Jeane brings into question your character. Even if Nicole brings forth indisputable evidence that Jeane misled her, refused to respond to emails, and whatever other failings that come up, you will most likely try to spin the facts like you have in the past when dealing with this family. I find it suspect that you were the first to respond to this complaint, yet you seldom take part in countless threads that are similar.

 

[Chameleon Company]

Tim,
Whatever opinions you have regarding other deals are certainly yours, and I will not waste a moments time trying to separate you from them. You are welcome to drown in your small-mindedness. The few credible posters left in this forum have not joined you. You posted here as a classless punk. The matter was not in doubt, but thank you for removing any, had I misread things.

 

[cccreptile]

nicole sorry for the loss, but sometimes loss happens. i've been ripped off several times but it happens. in no way is it right.i paid 350 for a female dragon that was a retired breeder when i was told it was younger virgin female. when i breed her all it laid was duds. also a first it was slow feeder but after a few weeks it ate fine. when i contacted the seller they told me they were selling those females for someone else and they don't cover any because it was third party deal. at the show they told they were there form last years stock hold backs they did not have room for. and these were well known breeders with good reps. so i known how you fill but sometimes it happens. i just learned the hard way. good luck and i hope the juvis turn out okay

 

[HerpOly]

Tim,
Whatever opinions you have regarding other deals are certainly yours, and I will not waste a moments time trying to separate you from them. You are welcome to drown in your small-mindedness. The few credible posters left in this forum have not joined you. You posted here as a classless punk. The matter was not in doubt, but thank you for removing any, had I misread things.

Jim, why do refuse to answer the question? Instead of sophomoric insults, try expanding my mind with all your 'sagely' wisdom. Just because others have not expressed an opinion reflecting mine yet, doesn't mean they do not agree with my opinion. I do not see anyone voicing the same indignation as you. You call me a classless punk, but I have not resorted to juvenile tactics unlike you, sir. A great deal of one's reputation is based on past actions. Jeane has repeatedly been involved in shady deals. You have repeatedly come in defense of a couple of highly questionable women. Maybe you could have an adult conversation on the matter, and tell us why you feel so strongly about Jeane's virtue in spite of mountains of evidence of past wrongdoing.

 

[Chameleon Company]

Nicole's loss is unfortunate. Everyone here has lost animals though, so her experience is hardly unique in that regard. Her obvious contradictions while failing to take responsibility is more unfortunate. Her attempt to cast blame with such a discombobulated rabble of flawed logic and unfounded allegations is most unfortunate. That you chimed in as a horse's ass is no surprise Tim.

I would hope that those who may ever be in a position to consider selling to either of you will happen upon this thread before the transaction is complete. A wide berth merits serious consideration.

 

[Ed Clark]

Even if Nicole brings forth indisputable evidence that Jeane misled her, refused to respond to emails

Nicole should bring forth that indisputable evidence, at this point it looks like bad communication and customer service.

 

[HerpOly]

Nicole's loss is unfortunate. Everyone here has lost animals though, so her experience is hardly unique in that regard. Her obvious contradictions while failing to take responsibility is more unfortunate. Her attempt to cast blame with such a discombobulated rabble of flawed logic and unfounded allegations is most unfortunate. That you chimed in as a horse's ass is no surprise Tim.

I would hope that those who may ever be in a position to consider selling to either of you will happen upon this thread before the transaction is complete. A wide berth merits serious consideration.

A horse's ass? Looking in the mirror there Jimbo? I merely stated facts that were discussed ad nauseum in the past. You got your panties in a bundle when I questioned your repeated involvement with Jeane and her daughter, and yet you are afraid, or maybe ashamed, to reveal your relationship. Quit skirting the question. Casting school yard insults to divert attention away from your involvement is pathetic. Please explain what is not plausible about Nicole's account of events, that should be good for a chuckle.

 

[Ed Clark]

This thread seems to have it all, or does it?

Mud slinging, personal side battle, accusations against a seller from a buyer.

But something is clearly missing?

Evidence or proof from Nicole against Jeane Best.

 

[replvr]

But something is clearly missing?

Evidence or proof from Nicole against Jeane Best.

I have to agree. I have been following this thread from the beginning and still haven't seen a bit of anything from the OP. Granted Jeane may be at fault for not answering emails, but the OP is also at fault for trying to breed something she knew 'wasn't right'. The OP also keeps saying stating this and that without showing any documentation to back it up.


**Patiently waiting**

 

[Otter_23]

Sorry about the loss of your dragon. A few lessons to learn.
1. 99% of the time if it sounds go good to be true it is.
2. Always check the BOI, there are numerous posts about Jeane and the way she conducts business. Frankly I wouldn't take a free animal from her.
3. This should have been posted at the beginning when she refused to get back to you.
4. Post proof when starting a thread at the beginning.

I really don't think you will get any compensation from Jeane although at this point I really don't believe she owes you any. When you first emailed her she should have responded and had she been a decent business woman she would have offered you different solutions at that time. Given her history she ignored you on purpose and figured it was your problem. With the way the bearded had been acting you should have taken it to vet and had not bred it. Jeane has been doing this for awhile and is shady at best.

On the bright side you did get some babies from the male and I hope they turn out well for you. I guess you can consider that your compensation and hold back a nice male from the clutch. I also wouldn't even consider these hard lessons since you did get a clutch from him and stated you got a good deal on him.

 

[HowlinGaleDragons]

All of my dragons had a vet check last week and all of them came up 100% healthy including the one female he was exposed to nothing came up in fecals either I get that done every 3 months just to be safe.

I wasn't notified of her bad reputation untill after I had purchased the dragon from her if I had known prior I would have never considered the purchase. I try to get dragons from reliable breeders with solid reputations, in fact Jeane was the only breeder who never fallowed up on the dragon after it was sold I know every month I get calls from a breeder who sold me my one male.



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On a side note...
Cat_72 your dog rocks i love that picture it looks ready to eat the camera

 

[HowlinGaleDragons]

proof

I don't know what kind of proof you want all I have right now is this scaned copy of the dragons death certificate and a paw print casting they did for him.


This is the death certificate

This is the paw print casting my vet did for me when I had to put him down I thought this was very kind

This was my boy Rascal

 

[HowlinGaleDragons]

email

I just got a nasty email being openly accused of lieing about my dragon dieing in multiple ways I find it sick that Jeane stated this in particular

"Also, on your website, Rascal is not listed as dead."

Here is a link to my Male Breeders page look at the very bottom
http://www.angelfire.com/howlingaledragons87/Breeders.html

Am I imagining things or dose it state clearly "Passed Away 4/28/08" ?

She also wrote...

"Where's the picture of the dead dragon? Your death certificate and bill don't confirm anything, other than you had something checked at the vet and picked up remains."

I'm sorry but I am not going to take a picture of my dead dragon I realize some people do this but he has passed and that is not something I really want to have hanging around I hope everyone can understand that.

 

[Otter_23]

Imagine that she responds now but not when you first emailed her. Jeanne you truely are a class act.