Bad Guy Jeff Barringer's mistreatment to KINGSNAKE.COM Patrons Continues!!!!

[Suncoast Herpetological]

am a broker and buy from several suppliers all over the us and that I was offering what I have available to me as I have to all my customers worldwide for years,and that since I was selling for myself he had no right to take my post off,and that he could talk to my attorney,Well he baned me

Yup...can't imagine why either of the statements in Bold would get you banned.

Anyone else feel like proving my original point?

 

[RichsBallPythons]

I dont want to keep derailing this about emails.

But My Thunderbird is set to empty Thunderbirds Trash on exit and fetches new emails ever min.
On gmail i have it checked to Delete Gmails copy, where they are then stored IN the trash until the quota limit is reached or I manually Delete them off gmails server. Same goes for my Comcast email as well.

Other email providers may delete the Hard copy off server once Thunderbird downloads it to free up space. But Gmail Does not delete anything automatically.

 

[Joe I]

Lucille...

I was curious about how KS viewed what Joe describes, above, I viewed it as fraud but wanted to see how KS perceived this kind of behavior, so I went and looked at their TOS:


Anyone who has had their account terminated for complaints, violations of our terms of service, or any other site bans may NOT re-register in any format, under any circumstances. Attempting to circumvent this system by registering under the name of a friend, family member, or any form of alias, will cause that account to be immediately terminated, and you will be prosecuted for fraud. Anyone who knowingly assists someone in fraudulently obtaining an account will have their site services canceled and will themselves be banned, and prosecuted for fraud.

Lucille... I see that you spend an enormous amount of time here on Fauna. I can appreciate that, but I simply don't have that time. You take everything I say out of context. When I said, "its no big deal...." I was not condoning fraud. But simply saying that in anyone wants to participate on Kingsnake after being banned they can do so.... Not that I am going to do it... Gee Wiz...

 

[RichsBallPythons]

My Bad, I was typing that up as you posted that warning!

 

[Lucille]

But simply saying that in anyone wants to participate on Kingsnake after being banned they can do so.... Not that I am going to do it... Gee Wiz...

Whether or not you plan to do so, what you suggested was fraudulent and I base my poor opinion of you partly from that statement.

 

[WebSlave]

Wonder what the mods here would do if presented with an identical situation?

In a nutshell: nothing. We try not to get into the middle of any transaction between members here. We don't even try to verify the accuracy of any statements made by others. We want neither the authority, nor the responsibility, of managing people's affairs here trying to do business. Whatever happens is solely between the buyer and the seller during the negotiation and consummation of the transaction.

I'm not saying that one site's philosophy is necessarily better or worse than another's for all circumstances that can arise. People are free to choose which philosophy best fits what they are most comfortable with from the site they participate within.

 

[Joe I]

hello Richie...

I think you failed to read what I posted. Or perhaps you have me blocked and can't see. I will try AGAIN

He RESCUED the tortoise from someone he himself called an IDIOT.

When it came time to sell the tortoise, the IDIOT all of a sudden was believable in their statements that the tortoise was a proven breeder.

No, I didn't miss your statement. I am just addressing it now, as it seems I am having to defend every statement I make, or have posted. In that ad you are referring to, it stated I rescued the tortoise because I felt I did rescue that tortoise from the person I bought it from. Did you see the shell growth???? The tortoise had obviously not been given the proper diet! And then when I first picked it up it was underweight for its size. I brought it to my farm and it ran to the food plate like it hadn't eaten in a month. I truly felt sorry for the animal. Any "yes" that ad was placed after this gentlemen got me kicked me off Kingsnake "and" posted another ad on craigslist bragging that he got me kicked off a popular reptile website. How did he know I got kicked off? I hadn't gone public with it until last night! Again, I feel this person was a personal friend of Jeff Barringer's.

Again, when I met this so called gentlemen, the tortoise looked horendous, but he seemed very sincere. Definitely my mistake for trusting him with the story he had sold me! Lesson learned!

 

[Wraith]

Another thing. If anyone wanted to get back on KS, they can! Its easy. I can buy a membership tonight for 3 months under someone elses name and post my animals. In fact, many people do it that were banned already! If they got kicked off they open another account for $35/ 3 months... in a new name. No big deal...

If this is your idea of ethics and morality... I sure as hell would NOT be willing to trust anything you had to say about something you were selling since you obviously have no problem publicly admitting that you would/could freely scam KS. You obviously have no problem on wanting to break their rules about banned users not being allowed to re-register on their site -fake name or not- and you have no problem essentially committing outright fraud and theft of services on their site.

In July of this year, I answered an ad on Craigslist for a 15 inch (Straight Line Measured) Adult Female Leopard Tortoise. I talked ith the gentelmen, and asked him why he was selling the animal. The reply was that he was in desperate need of money. So, I made an appointment to meet with him, and purchased the animal. Very simply, the animal was sold to me as a proven breeder. In fact, the ad said the word "Breeder" in it. So, after I purchased the animal I decided that I did not want to keep the animal for my personal collection. So, I placed it for sale under the Tortoise section at Kingsnake.com. My ad read, "15 inch Adult Female Leopard Tortoise- Proven Breeder". About 2 days after I posted the ad, 7/13/12, I received the email from Mr. Jeff Barringer.

In that ad you are referring to, it stated I rescued the tortoise because I felt I did rescue that tortoise from the person I bought it from. Did you see the shell growth???? The tortoise had obviously not been given the proper diet! And then when I first picked it up it was underweight for its size. I brought it to my farm and it ran to the food plate like it hadn't eaten in a month. I truly felt sorry for the animal.

[snip]

Again, when I met this so called gentlemen, the tortoise looked horendous, but he seemed very sincere. Definitely my mistake for trusting him with the story he had sold me! Lesson learned!

In JULY, we have an animal that you have claimed was so underweight and starved that you just had to "rescue" it from the "idiot". In JULY you turn around and try to flip the animal for profit and claim it would make a great breeder???? The person you bought the animal from has nothing to gain by reporting you to KS for misrepresenting the animal that you got from him. The only ones who have to gain/lose from all this were your potential customers that you potentially could have ripped off by misrepresentation of the animal.

Why should I or anyone believe your story? You won't post any emails and when pressed your computer "crashed". Personally I'd like to hear the other guy's side of the story. Without any proof of your side of the story, I am of the current opinion that you probably thought you could make a fast buck and instead got caught lying. Any bets that the supposed "idiot" never stated that the animal was a breeder (or breeder quality) in the first place?

 

[Fangthane]

..Any "yes" that ad was placed after this gentlemen got me kicked me off Kingsnake "and" posted another ad on craigslist bragging that he got me kicked off a popular reptile website. How did he know I got kicked off? I hadn't gone public with it until last night! Again, I feel this person was a personal friend of Jeff Barringer's.

Interesting. So now there's yet another ad that was run by this "idiot", where he brags about getting you kicked off of KS? Seems like something that may have been worth mentioning before. I suppose that screenshots of that listing are going to be included with the emails that you'll be posting? Can't wait to see all of this.

Again, when I met this so called gentlemen, the tortoise looked horendous, but he seemed very sincere. Definitely my mistake for trusting him with the story he had sold me! Lesson learned!

It looked "horendous", but was apparently good enough to unload onto someone else? I don't recall seeing "horendous" in any of the ads you posted for it. The more you talk, the less believable you sound.

 

[rabernet]

That ad is from the OP.

I assume the ad belongs to the OP since he didn't contest it or answer my request to verify if it was his.

The ad says "16 hours ago" but it has said that all day long so no telling when it was posted or deleted.

He is also using the same pictures on his ads here on Fauna.

Looks like his friend is confirming that the ad was placed by the OP.

Told you I was confused! I stand corrected after reading the rest of the thread after my post.

 

[HerpVenue]

so in your opinion the guy does not know how to take care of a tortoise. But because he was sincere in saying it was a proven breeder..................

oh nevermind. good luck to you.

 

[Snake-Queen]

While I still wish to see the emails & ad, Joe you are not making yourself look good with the statements you are making without the proof to back it up.

I would have waited to post till I had all my proof & posted it all in the first post. I understand your frustration, but patience would have served you better in this.

 

[Lucille]

Aren't some people just making wild assumptions based on little to no evidence?.....
Please don't make me have to "pull over" to deal with this.

Rules for Posting on the BOI <-- REQUIRED READING!! (updated 12/30/09)
NOTE: Please note that some of the rules mentioned here are SITE WIDE, and not limited in scope merely to the BOI.


Proof is optional, but recommended if you would like to remove any doubts about the truth of what you are posting. But this is purely up to you, just as the believability of what you post is purely up to the reader of your words.

I guess you got to pull over and give me the first ticket, Boss, because even you have said that proof is optional. The OP has not furnished much evidence, but there is behavior shown both in this thread and a previous bad guy thread on which to base an opinion.

I don't think the OP is being attacked, I think he is being vigorously questioned after mentioning again and again some emails which have not been forthcoming, in a manner that almost amounts to a taunt.
Besides the emails that have not been furnished, there is plenty of behavior here on the part of the OP to form a valid opinion with, and I have.

 

[HerpVenue]

I would be curious to know when in July this animal was acquired by the OP.

 

[WebSlave]

I guess you got to pull over and give me the first ticket, Boss, because even you have said that proof is optional. The OP has not furnished much evidence, but there is behavior shown both in this thread and a previous bad guy thread on which to base an opinion.

I don't think the OP is being attacked, I think he is being vigorously questioned after mentioning again and again some emails which have not been forthcoming, in a manner that almost amounts to a taunt.
Besides the emails that have not been furnished, there is plenty of behavior here on the part of the OP to form a valid opinion with, and I have.

Thank you for the reminder of my own rules here, Lucille. So let me return the favor with a reminder to you:

I've been hearing this far too often lately, and from many quarters. That people are afraid to post on the BOI because they get attacked viciously for their statements made there. That they wind up virtually fighting for their own reputation because of attacks made on their own character because of their statements made either for or against someone on the BOI.

Personally, I think this is a serious issue that I need to address. If people are afraid to post on the BOI, then what will be the eventual result of non participation because of the grinder people are put through there?

Yeah, I do understand that some people WILL make false claims, or mistakes in judgment that their own postings will reveal, but seriously, are the attacks really necessary? Are the personal attacks going to defeat what most people are hoping to get out of the BOI? If few participate because of the danger and stress to themselves, then how much information will not be forthcoming that really needs to be?

Most of you know that I have been gradually turning up the heat to try to make the BOI and this site in general, a better place for all to participate within. I think the heat needs to be cranked up a notch or two in regard to the problems that this post here is attempting to address. That the behavior that will be counterproductive of the purpose of the BOI needs to be weeded out, either by the people who engage in such attacks toning it down, or by the elevated levels of the infractions levied for such behavior moving them on out of the picture if they refuse to willingly comply.

I believe that the truth CAN be uncovered without rancor and derogatory and belittling attacks. I believe that people will get professional dialog if they themselves engage in a professional manner. I BELIEVE that this is how I want this site to BE.

Forthwith I am asking the moderators to start cracking down harder on incidents whereby unnecessary force is being used to examine or cross-examine anyone and their statements made. It will still be completely acceptable to question anyone's statements and motives, but to do so in a belittling or inflammatory manner is going to have elevated risks associated with it.

I will copy this message over onto the BOI to make certain that everyone involved their has the opportunity to see my opinion about what needs to change there.

If anyone wants to discuss this topic further, please go to THIS thread over in the Feedback Forum -> http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=236965

As you showed in my quote that you pasted into your reply PROOF IS OPTIONAL. Which means badgering someone for that proof WHICH IS NOT REQUIRED HERE is going against the grain in my post concerning KILLING THE MESSENGER. Seriously, just how many people, and how many times do you think the guy needs to be DEMANDED that he post those emails? Yes, I think they would be best for him to post to try to prove his claims, but do you really think pissing him off enough with the constant hammering about those emails that he just tells you (and all of us) to just go to hell and LEAVES IN DISGUST will really be conducive to getting an accurate picture of what really went on? Is there something about this issue that seems to be time sensitive? I believe the guy said he has the hard drive with the emails on it that will be put into his new computer. I believe he said he hopes to have it resolved by this weekend. Is the world going to end by WAITING for the weekend for those emails?

Seriously, you all appear hell bent to try to kill this messenger, and I have already gone on record stating that I would like this sort of treatment of posters here to CEASE. Ask questions, cross examine, doubt, accept, ignore, I really don't care. But blatantly antagonizing someone to do what YOU want RIGHT NOW is really going to have to end here.

 

[typherp]

I thought long and hard before deciding to give my two cents. I do not post here often but some of the posts here are, lack of better word...."addictive."

I am not usually intimidated and I am not the kind of person who would back down from a good "disagreement." But, although I have wanted to started a few threads here, I have decided against it because I knew the scrutiny I would face here and that can be....well intimidating.

I understand the "need" for proof but do we really need to automatically (and some times persecution-ally) believe that without proof he/she is lying? I do feel some people do unnecessarily verbally attack others here...again for lack of better words...for their own ego.

I do wish this place would be less intimidation place to post for all OP's in the future. I am not posting this to disagree with anyone....just wanted to post my opinion, thus done, I would not post again on this thread.

 

[typherp]

Just wanted to say, I posted this before I read the post above by Rich. Well Done Rich!!!!

 

[Paul Kent]

I thought long and hard before deciding to give my two cents. I do not post here often but some of the posts here are, lack of better word...."addictive."

I am not usually intimidated and I am not the kind of person who would back down from a good "disagreement." But, although I have wanted to started a few threads here, I have decided against it because I knew the scrutiny I would face here and that can be....well intimidating.

I understand the "need" for proof but do we really need to automatically (and some times persecution-ally) believe that without proof he/she is lying? I do feel some people do unnecessarily verbally attack others here...again for lack of better words...for their own ego.

I do wish this place would be less intimidation place to post for all OP's in the future. I am not posting this to disagree with anyone....just wanted to post my opinion, thus done, I would not post again on this thread.

As much as I can uderstand your thought process, I think the idea that people are intimadated to post things (specifically) against someone here is a good thing. IMO, without the thought that people (lots of them) will call you out on whatever it is your alledging, you'll have WAY too many unreasonable people just spouting off at any possible "injustice" they feel like they've endured. Ive always been a believer in being entitled to an opinion, but other people should be just as entitled to question you on it if you choose to voice it.

 

[oldworldlife]

another craigslist flipper ban them all !

 

[rosebud945]

Originally Posted by Joe I View Post
In that ad you are referring to, it stated I rescued the tortoise because I felt I did rescue that tortoise from the person I bought it from. Did you see the shell growth???? The tortoise had obviously not been given the proper diet! And then when I first picked it up it was underweight for its size. I brought it to my farm and it ran to the food plate like it hadn't eaten in a month. I truly felt sorry for the animal.

Regardless of the exchange of emails between you and Jeff, Joe, this fact bothers me a great deal as it does others. How can you rescue buy this tortoise that you claim was underweight and had signs of malnutrition, then turn around and sell it as a healthy animal , much less a breeder?? The time frame in which you "rescued" this animal and tried to sell her is not sufficient enough time for her to have recovered from what has to be as much as years of improper care. I don't need to see emails and the issue for me is not even whether or not your being banned from ks was justified or not. I have an issue with YOUR business and moral ethic here and I think I can safely assume that Mr. Barringer might have as well.