Bad Guy Jeff Barringer's mistreatment to KINGSNAKE.COM Patrons Continues!!!!

[Snake-Queen]

another craigslist flipper ban them all !

Do you ever contribute anything useful? Or is that you like to make trollish posts? Who were you referencing with your comment? Did you even read the whole thread?

 

[oldworldlife]

Do you ever contribute anything useful? Or is that you like to make trollish posts? Who were you referencing with your comment? Did you even read the whole thread?

If you don't know who brought a sick animal off of craigslist and then flipped it right away for a profit then you DID NOT read any of these past ten pages . Try reading the first post . Are you Melissa stating that it is ok to buy sick animals off an adoption site then resell them for a profit is this how you run your MD Reptiles and Rescue as well

 

[bmr1052]

Joe, in my opinion, You should probably just hold back from posting again til you have access to the emails. I am not judging you, but it seems like this thread should have only been 3-4 pages long, but the other 7 pages are you being questioned and interrogated about the emails. There is almost an entire page dedicated to email server settings. Really? I have read through ,most of the BOI threads and it seems like the usual suspects come out to stir up the dust, only side tracking from the main topic at hand. If you feel that Jeff is a bad guy, than it is your right to post here. If others gather all the info and facts from your posting, it is their choice to either agree or disagree with you. I have no clue who you are, or what you are about, but I think it is unfair you immediately have to go on the defensive and explain yourself against a KS complaint from years ago. It appears you would have an easier time convincing certain people on this board that the world is FLAT then you would convincing them of your initial complaint.

 

[Fangthane]

... There is almost an entire page dedicated to email server settings. Really? I have read through ,most of the BOI threads and it seems like the usual suspects come out to stir up the dust, only side tracking from the main topic at hand.

That's a very convenient way of looking at things, coming from someone else who has started a Bad Guy thread, where the subject has turned out to not look very bad at all. Those "usual suspects" have been around here long enough to know the nature of the beast, and to realize that, when a poster's words are closely examined and questioned, little nuggets of truth often present themselves. As would appear to be the case with this particular thread.

Had the OP's claims been taken at face value, he wouldn't have been given the opportunity to make some unsavory statements that give the readers more information by which to form an opinion of him. We may have missed out on various twists and turns that his story has taken. Such as how initially all the emails were on his other hard drive, and being transferred to his new PC. Which was later tweaked to him claiming it was being worked on by a data recovery specialist, with the real possibility of being completely lost. It also may have never come to light that, as this thread progressed, the tort suddenly was in "horendous" condition when he "rescued" it, but within a very short time after that, he decided to flip what he claimed to be a sick tortoise. The devil is in the details, and if your mentality were to win the day, very few of those details would have been able to come to light.

If you feel that Jeff is a bad guy, than it is your right to post here. If others gather all the info and facts from your posting, it is their choice to either agree or disagree with you. I have no clue who you are, or what you are about, but I think it is unfair you immediately have to go on the defensive and explain yourself against a KS complaint from years ago.

It's his right to post here, just as it's our right to doubt him and point out where he shows himself to be of questionable character. You don't think that a thread from 3 years ago has any bearing on today? That's a foolish and myopic view. By looking at past actions, we can sometimes establish a pattern of behavior, and have some idea of what we may be able to expect in the future. Perhaps it's something that you, yourself, didn't realize coming into a BOI posting, but the OP's words and actions are under just as much scrutiny as his target's.

 

[bmr1052]

That's fair, but from what I.read is that he has stated he will post the emails. If and when he doesn't then by all means have at him. Some one even made a comment to the effect of " Steve jobs evil spirit possesses bill gates, them emails will never come out " or something to that degree, and while that comment is very funny, how was it warranted? What has Joe done to this point to indicate he wont post them this weekend. Not everyone is sitting at a computer all day with time to criticize everyone else. Yes is posted a bad guy threshing , so what? The topic might not seem like a big deal to you, but to some it is questionable. To each their own. You might think a car dealership is ran by crooks and other swear by that dealership. Form you own opinion. Back to Joe, give him the benefit of the doubt until he proves or doesn't prove his case.

 

[reticguy76]

Honestly, reading this, and in response to your last post Brian, while he may come on at anytime and just release all pertinent documenation, for me, it should be standard personal protocal, that if you come on any site with a complaint, the documentation should be in the very first post. If you post all evidence and documentation right off the bat, it shows the rest of us, the op came prepared and really has a true legitimate reason for starting this

 

[MikeCurtin]

Rescued a "horrendous" looking tortoise in July.

Posts for sale as a PROVEN BREEDER on KS after rehabilitating it for about a week (at most).

Receives an e-mail from KS about a complaint from the original seller on July 13.

I think he knew what he was doing. He got caught. Now, he's trying to smear KS because he can no longer flip sub-par rescues for a profit on their site.

I don't really need to see any proof either. The dates and condition of the animal in question speak volumes.

 

[bmr1052]

Honestly, reading this, and in response to your last post Brian, while he may come on at anytime and just release all pertinent documenation, for me, it should be standard personal protocal, that if you come on any site with a complaint, the documentation should be in the very first post. If you post all evidence and documentation right off the bat, it shows the rest of us, the op came prepared and really has a true legitimate reason for starting this

100% correct, that's why my advice to Joe was to just hang back until he can produce the emails. Had he had his ducks in a row to begin with he wouldn't have to spend so much time discussing the validity of the emails. But that aside, a complaint ( whether valid or taken care of ) from years ago isn't very important now. Even if it was a valid complaint, it was from years ago and that's pretty much all they had on him.

 

[Fangthane]

That's fair, but from what I.read is that he has stated he will post the emails. If and when he doesn't then by all means have at him. Some one even made a comment to the effect of " Steve jobs evil spirit possesses bill gates, them emails will never come out " or something to that degree, and while that comment is very funny, how was it warranted? What has Joe done to this point to indicate he wont post them this weekend. Not everyone is sitting at a computer all day with time to criticize everyone else. Yes is posted a bad guy threshing , so what? The topic might not seem like a big deal to you, but to some it is questionable. To each their own. You might think a car dealership is ran by crooks and other swear by that dealership. Form you own opinion. Back to Joe, give him the benefit of the doubt until he proves or doesn't prove his case.

What you fail to want to realize is that the emails are quite possibly a moot point. He bought and tried to flip an animal that he now claims is sick and "horendous". Which, if you look at his own Bad Guy thread, selling a sick tort doesn't seem to be a new trick for him. As is sometimes the case on the BOI, the initial complaint loses a bit of steam, when the person making it shows himself to be of questionable character. For some of us, benefit of the doubt goes out the window when the story constantly changes slightly with the subsequent tellings. But thank you for your permission to form my own opinion. Clearly, I was waiting for just that nod of approval from you.

 

[Lucille]

What you fail to want to realize is that the emails are quite possibly a moot point. He bought and tried to flip an animal that he now claims is sick and "horendous". Which, if you look at his own Bad Guy thread, selling a sick tort doesn't seem to be a new trick for him. As is sometimes the case on the BOI, the initial complaint loses a bit of steam, when the person making it shows himself to be of questionable character. For some of us, benefit of the doubt goes out the window when the story constantly changes slightly with the subsequent tellings. But thank you for your permission to form my own opinion. Clearly, I was waiting for just that nod of approval from you.

I agree. Between the sick tort and his post showing how to defraud ks:

Another thing. If anyone wanted to get back on KS, they can! Its easy. I can buy a membership tonight for 3 months under someone elses name and post my animals. In fact, many people do it that were banned already! If they got kicked off they open another account for $35/ 3 months... in a new name. No big deal...

I'm not sure how much the emails are needed. If for some reason the emails are not recovered, there is plenty here that one can base a valid opinion on.

 

[bmr1052]

But thank you for your permission to form my own opinion. Clearly, I was waiting for just that nod of approval from you.

You are very welcome. Let me thank you for only proving my point from above, now lets see how many pages we can fill with senseless banter and only further ourselves from the topic of the BOI post.

 

[MikeCurtin]

You are very welcome. Let me thank you for only proving my point from above, now lets see how many pages we can fill with senseless banter and only further ourselves from the topic of the BOI post.

Let's look at the heart of the matter.

What you fail to want to realize is that the emails are quite possibly a moot point. He bought and tried to flip an animal that he now claims is sick and "horendous". Which, if you look at his own Bad Guy thread, selling a sick tort doesn't seem to be a new trick for him. As is sometimes the case on the BOI, the initial complaint loses a bit of steam, when the person making it shows himself to be of questionable character. For some of us, benefit of the doubt goes out the window when the story constantly changes slightly with the subsequent tellings. But thank you for your permission to form my own opinion. Clearly, I was waiting for just that nod of approval from you.

A little sarcasm at the end, but the body of this quote pretty much sums up what happened here. Did Jeff Barringer abuse Joe, or was the ban warranted? Based upon the timeline and Joe's own words here, he's not someone I would want to buy a living animal from, and he's shown himself to be one of questionable integrity at best. As for straying from the initial subject, please re-read the bold section.

 

[Fangthane]

You are very welcome. Let me thank you for only proving my point from above, now lets see how many pages we can fill with senseless banter and only further ourselves from the topic of the BOI post.

My side of the banter is in direct relation to actual details involving this situation. Tell me, aside from advocating a 'just wait for the emails' perspective, while ignoring all other considerations, what have you added?

You seem awfully dismissive of a "past complaint" that pretty clearly shows him shirking responsibility for having sold a parasite-loaded tort. Which, again, has a great deal of relevance to this thread, as he was caught trying to sell a tort that he later decides to describe as "horendous". Anyone who reads this may choose to note how you don't seem to feel that's a very big deal.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

Joe, To have a better understanding I just have a simple question. It doesn't require having the emails or the exact Ad.

Was the Ad placed on KS worded like the ad placed here or the one placed on Craigslist?



Craigslist version

I have this Adult Female Leopard Tortoise available to re home. She measures 15 inches straight line. A very beautiful animal and a great addition for someone to add to their collection of tortoises. I rescued this animal recently from someone (an idiot) that obviously did not know anything about it

Fauna ads

15 inch Adult Female Leopard tortoise. Not the prettiest shell but is of breeding age and size. Asking $1250 obo. Thanks, Joe... cell (305)788-0340

I have a 15inch straight line measured Female Leopard offered for sale. Her shell is not picture perfect, I know. Thus, the discount in her pricing as well for a female leopard of her size. Should make a good breeder otherwise. First $900 plus shipping. Contact me directly @ [email protected] or cell (305)788-0340 Thanks for your interest, Joe...

 

[Snake-Queen]

If you don't know who brought a sick animal off of craigslist and then flipped it right away for a profit then you DID NOT read any of these past ten pages . Try reading the first post . Are you Melissa stating that it is ok to buy sick animals off an adoption site then resell them for a profit is this how you run your MD Reptiles and Rescue as well

My message to you has nothing to do with what, I do as a business ... but my rescues are never sold, no money ever exchanges hands ... they are simply rehomed after 6 months if they check out healthy.

Your comment was nothing but a disturbance to the thread, it offered nothing other than name calling, which isn't very adult. ?

 

[oldworldlife]

Your comment was nothing but a disturbance to the thread, it offered nothing other than name calling, which isn't very adult. ?
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ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT WHEN YOU CALLED ME A TROLL.


[/QUOTE]you like to make trollish posts?

I can't believe how many people flip animals out of rescues and how they back each other up . Craiglisters Beware

 

[bmr1052]

My side of the banter is in direct relation to actual details involving this situation. Tell me, aside from advocating a 'just wait for the emails' perspective, while ignoring all other considerations, what have you added?

You seem awfully dismissive of a "past complaint" that pretty clearly shows him shirking responsibility for having sold a parasite-loaded tort. Which, again, has a great deal of relevance to this thread, as he was caught trying to sell a tort that he later decides to describe as "horendous". Anyone who reads this may choose to note how you don't seem to feel that's a very big deal.

You are right on your points and I have not added much. I am advocating a wait and see approach. I do not know Joe, he may be the biggest scum bag ever, he may be the nicest guy. But what I do know is his complaint is getting banned from KS for misrepresenting the breeding status of the animal. He did not say he was accused by Jeff as being a " Flipper ". The emails aren't a moot point as to seeing if Joes actual complaint ( which is hardly even talked about now) is worthy of a bad guy thread. If the emails show he sold the animal as being a breeder , and his proof shows it was sold to him as a breeder, then he shouldnt have been banned from KS. If in such emails it shows he was banned for something else, was a complete jerk or anything else that called for a ban, then he will be wrong. The point of this BOI is to see if he was in fact mistreated by Jeff.

Now, I have read all the comments as to Joe and his reputation. Yes he has a prior complaint and yes it does appear he was indeed trying to flip the animal, but that does not change the fact if he was dealt with incorrectly for misrepresenting the breeding status.

It would be if a person called the police reporting their house was burglarized, the cop gets there and says " oh your house was burglarized? well I see you were convicted of a crime 3 years ago, so unfortunately you are not entitled to justice and must accept all treatment you receive because of the type of person you are." That may be drastic, but the principle is the same.

If Joe was booted for being accused of flipping, then he would have no argument. But that is not what he is claiming he was banned for. So I will wait to see the context of the emails before I form an opinion.

 

[Fangthane]

It would be if a person called the police reporting their house was burglarized, the cop gets there and says " oh your house was burglarized? well I see you were convicted of a crime 3 years ago, so unfortunately you are not entitled to justice and must accept all treatment you receive because of the type of person you are." That may be drastic, but the principle is the same.

If Joe was booted for being accused of flipping, then he would have no argument. But that is not what he is claiming he was banned for. So I will wait to see the context of the emails before I form an opinion.[/QUOTE]

Hardly. There is no "justice" in this situation. Like it or not, it's Jeff's site to run as he sees fit. As well as to refuse service to whoever he wishes, for whatever reason he wants to. As with any other site, I suspect that the OP had to agree to their TOS, before becoming a member. He took a calculated risk by paying for his membership, and for whatever reason, his privileges were removed. Nothing was stolen from him.

I once was banned from this site for simply arguing with the owner, and choosing to not leave well enough alone, while I still had the chance. I had already paid a $25 membership fee, which was subsequently forfeit. As pissed off as I was at the time, even I realized that there was nothing to be done, and that if I'd come back bitching up a storm, I'd have been laughed off the BOI.

At the beginning, this thread amounted to little more than someone whining about getting the boot. As it has progressed, it's finally become a bit more useful, in that it's allowed the OP to call attention to himself and his practices. As far as I can see, the OP's own activities are the only relevant/useful facets of this whole thread.

 

[bmr1052]

As much as I say I shall wait and see, In my opinion , it looks super shady that he bought it, and tried to flip it for profits. I agree that more has come out about him showing his character than he probably thought would. Jeff does own the site and can do what he wishes. There are numerous threads here about him quickly pulling the trigger on people. Its nothing new, but Joe has been attacked pretty harshly and it seems his initial complaint is pretty much dismissed already because of his character. If the purpose of the BOI is to determine if the person is truly a bad guy, then we should weigh the evidence and make that decision, OP bad character aside.

 

[rosebud945]

Its nothing new, but Joe has been attacked pretty harshly and it seems his initial complaint is pretty much dismissed already because of his character.

Hun, without proof to support his claims, his character is all we have to go on.