JENNIFER HARRISON GOOD GAL!!!

[TripleMoonsExotic]

Btw, the journal extends to more then just that one web page. It goes for several months.

 

[April Homich]

Well, he is the best person to contact about this. It doesn't matter at this point that that there may have been some disagreement with him - if someone is in a position to gain information from this, it's him. I think I said before that we don't know what transpired between him and her own vet, and that maybe he wanted to distance himself from what was going on because her own vet went against his suggestions. Would you have wanted your name involved with all this drama? Even so, it's on the small chance that he would still be interested and take these snakes that she should ask. Who else has the background and the resources to study this? He's the top guy in his field.

 

[Pink Lady Exotics]

Cat, what would you suggest I do with everything? Garbage men won't take it, already tried with the old melamine rack I made 2 years ago.

The g-stripe has nothing to do with the virus -- he came from a friend of mine from a forum that I have known for 4 years, on a breeding loan to go with the adult het g-stripe I had gotten from the Sutherlands (that I subsequently lost). He arrived before this virus thing blew up and was luckily one of the unaffected ones. Throughout the last year, I have kept Tommy UTD on everything -- he is well aware of what has happened, where I'm at, etc. I left it up to him to decide what he wanted done with the snake -- I told him that if he chose to take it back, he needs to be sure it isn't kept in the same building as the rest of his snakes. He decided to go ahead with that course of action. He owns the snake, so therefore I have no say in what happens to it. It's a crappy situation all around -- Ihe now has a useless g-stripe that just happened to be here at the wrong time. I really wish it didn't have to involve him.

You guys are right, I wasn't thinking clearly. The racks aren't safe. Tell me what to do with them, and I'll figure out how to get rid of them. I guess that's the risk I took getting into snakes. I'm out almost $15,000 in vet bills and animals, and can't even sell the equipment I have left. I'm about to lose my house, my car, and a lot of other things because of my a-hole ex husband. I thought I could try to earn some money back by selling this stuff now that I have no use for it, but that's a no go now.

And in regard to Dr. Jacobsen, we offered to send him the snakes and/or the bodies once they were euthanized. Neither myself or Dr. Gordon have recieved a response -- and odds are, we won't. Dr. Jacobsen doesn't do things for free -- and I don't have a spare penny to spend on any more vet bills.

 

[shrap]

Cat, what would you suggest I do with everything? Garbage men won't take it, already tried with the old melamine rack I made 2 years ago.

It is all plastic, recycle it. Or you might want to contact who ever pics up your garbage. Every decent sized city I have lived in has a monthly heavy trash pick up day. Where you can set out appliances, beds, couches..... racks, etc for pick up.

 

[deicide]

It is all plastic, recycle it. Or you might want to contact who ever pics up your garbage. Every decent sized city I have lived in has a monthly heavy trash pick up day. Where you can set out appliances, beds, couches..... racks, etc for pick up.

Here in Madison it's gonna cost her $10 to $20 for each rack.
They sell a red sticker that has to go on each one otherwise the garbage
truck will not pick it up.

Jen, I'll send you an email.
My brother owns an automotive shop here in Madison and has a
dumpster on site. He keeps absolutely no pets and will let you (if wanted)
dispose of the racks their.

-Rory

 

[kmurphy]

Jen, I think you should be commended on how open you've been throughout all this. Also how well you've taken shots here and there, some undeservedly IMO.
It has been a learning experience for a lot of us.

 

[Mooing Tricycle]

Dr Jacobson is not her vet, he's the one in Florida that her vet was in contact with and one of the top researchers in reptile medicine. He has spent over 30 years in this field with a focus on infectious diseases and would have the best resources and background to study this. Why would you not rely on him?

Whatever vet is telling her bleach will be fine.... I never said a name. I just know I would be talking to a few vets, if it were me. i mean if several people that keep these animals, that are not vets, can deduce that it is not a safe course of action, then it stands reason enough for me to consider the option.

 

[spix14]

I agree. I know you must be feeling like you've taken one kick to the face after another, and that no matter what you try to do you've got someone on your back telling you it's wrong. I wish this all could have had a better outcome for you and your snakes. I think you're doing the right thing, hard as it may be. It is hard enough losing a husband and facing the prospect of being a single mother-without having all this other business with the snakes. I wish you all the luck in the world and if you need anyone to talk to, just PM me.

So far as the person with the g-stripe-personally I woudn't risk having the snake at my brother's house either. Who knows if this thing can be carried on your clothes? Do you plan on sterilizing yourself or your brother every time you visit? It's up to you, but I certainly wouldn't risk it. I'd hate to see this thing pop up somewhere else.

 

[April Homich]

I was not talking about using him as a way to say if stuff was clean or not, I was saying that maybe if there were any chance he'd want the snakes for research, the whole reptile community would benefit. It was said by Dr. Jacobson that it wasn't clear what virus it was, so how would any other vet know what course of action to take if they don't even know what it it. You know he wasn't the one that said bleach was fine, and that wasn't the purpose of my post.

I'm sure the guy gets grant money to pay for his research - he's not going to expect you to pay for it if it also benefits him. You know, his name has been used before by people as an excuse to sell sick animals. Sometimes people only hear what the want to hear and twist words around into what agrees with their reasoning. You can't blame him for maybe even getting upset that this happens. I just hope that there's the small chance that he'd still want any of the animals.

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

I was not talking about using him as a way to say if stuff was clean or not, I was saying that maybe if there were any chance he'd want the snakes for research, the whole reptile community would benefit. It was said by Dr. Jacobson that it wasn't clear what virus it was, so how would any other vet know what course of action to take if they don't even know what it it. You know he wasn't the one that said bleach was fine, and that wasn't the purpose of my post.

I'm sure the guy gets grant money to pay for his research - he's not going to expect you to pay for it if it also benefits him. You know, his name has been used before by people as an excuse to sell sick animals. Sometimes people only hear what the want to hear and twist words around into what agrees with their reasoning. You can't blame him for maybe even getting upset that this happens. I just hope that there's the small chance that he'd still want any of the animals.

The whole reptile community has been benefiting at Jen's expense ($$$) about this from the beginning and she has been stomped on over and over again. She has been paying for the research.

 

[Cat_72]

Jen, check this out...

Rigid Plastic Recycling Program

The City of Madison is pleased to announce a new drop off recycling program. Madison Residents can now recycle what we are calling Mixed Rigid Plastics.

What Can Be Recycled?

Plastic Toys NO METAL/ NO WOOD/ NO WIRES/ NO BATTERIES
Plastic buckets NO metal handles
Plastic milk/soda crates
Plastic laundry baskets
Plastic lawn furniture
Plastic landscape items such as edging
Microwave trays
Plastic totes- any size NO metal
Plastic drums- any size Food Grade ONLY, No chemical containers
Plastic pet carriers No Metal
Plastic pallets
Plastic coolers
Plastic shelving
Plastic closet organizers
Plastic dish drainers
Plastic flower pots No soil
Plastic traffic signs
Empty garbage cans- any size No Metal
Plastic waste baskets
5 gallon water bottles
Metal handles, axles, etc. must be removed by the customer. The metal can be recycled in the scrap metal area at the drop off sites.

All items should be rinsed and any lose soil, dirt, etc. removed.


Where Do I Recycle This Plastic?

This material must be brought to one of our two full service drop off sites. Those sites are:

East: 4604 Sycamore AV

West: 1501 W. Badger Rd.

To learn more about the sites....

DO NOT PUT THESE PLASTICS IN YOUR GREEN RECYCLING CART.

You must bring these items to the drop off sites to get them recycled.

What Items Cannot Be Recycled?

PVC Pipe/Tubing
Vinyl Siding
Plastic Film (Grocery bags & Stretch film)
Chemical Containers
Pesticide/Herbicide Containers
Petroleum Containers
Styrofoam
Flexible Water Hoses
Hazardous Material
Medical Waste
Who Can Use The Program

The use of the City of Madison drop off sites and this program is limited to City of Madison residents and property owners.

If you have questions or need additional information contact George Dreckmann at 267-2626 or [email protected]

http://www.cityofmadison.com/streets/RigidPlasticRecyclingDropOff.cfm

 

[The BoidSmith]

Cat, what would you suggest I do with everything? Garbage men won't take it, already tried with the old melamine rack I made 2 years ago.

The g-stripe has nothing to do with the virus -- he came from a friend of mine from a forum that I have known for 4 years, on a breeding loan to go with the adult het g-stripe I had gotten from the Sutherlands (that I subsequently lost). He arrived before this virus thing blew up and was luckily one of the unaffected ones. Throughout the last year, I have kept Tommy UTD on everything -- he is well aware of what has happened, where I'm at, etc. I left it up to him to decide what he wanted done with the snake -- I told him that if he chose to take it back, he needs to be sure it isn't kept in the same building as the rest of his snakes. He decided to go ahead with that course of action. He owns the snake, so therefore I have no say in what happens to it. It's a crappy situation all around -- Ihe now has a useless g-stripe that just happened to be here at the wrong time. I really wish it didn't have to involve him.

You guys are right, I wasn't thinking clearly. The racks aren't safe. Tell me what to do with them, and I'll figure out how to get rid of them. I guess that's the risk I took getting into snakes. I'm out almost $15,000 in vet bills and animals, and can't even sell the equipment I have left. I'm about to lose my house, my car, and a lot of other things because of my a-hole ex husband. I thought I could try to earn some money back by selling this stuff now that I have no use for it, but that's a no go now.

And in regard to Dr. Jacobsen, we offered to send him the snakes and/or the bodies once they were euthanized. Neither myself or Dr. Gordon have recieved a response -- and odds are, we won't. Dr. Jacobsen doesn't do things for free -- and I don't have a spare penny to spend on any more vet bills.

Jennifer,

Like with any disinfectant to use the key is to get in contact with every crack and crevice of the surfaces. Any dirt build-up can potentially protect viruses. If you want to go the route of disinfectants hipoclorite is a good alternative. To be able to effectively kill viruses you need to use three parts of bleach to two parts of water. Another disinfectant with demonstrated effect against viruses is lye. You will need a 2 percent solution in water. which you can obtain by mixing 2.6 ounces of lye in one gallon of water. Hope this helps.

Dan G.

 

[Cat_72]

I was not talking about using him as a way to say if stuff was clean or not, I was saying that maybe if there were any chance he'd want the snakes for research, the whole reptile community would benefit. It was said by Dr. Jacobson that it wasn't clear what virus it was, so how would any other vet know what course of action to take if they don't even know what it it. You know he wasn't the one that said bleach was fine, and that wasn't the purpose of my post.

I'm sure the guy gets grant money to pay for his research - he's not going to expect you to pay for it if it also benefits him. You know, his name has been used before by people as an excuse to sell sick animals. Sometimes people only hear what the want to hear and twist words around into what agrees with their reasoning. You can't blame him for maybe even getting upset that this happens. I just hope that there's the small chance that he'd still want any of the animals.

April, you obviously have not worked with folks like Dr. Jacobsen before. They don't do ANYTHING for free, which would be a good part of the reason why Jen already has an astonishingly huge vet bill. Jen has been paing and paying for this research, when she could have just said SCREW YOU ALL right from the beginning....and folks are still jumping on her ass about not doing enough. Whether it's simply that they haven't taken the time to actually learn everything she's done and been through, or are blissfully ignorant about how the whole world of research into things like this works, or think that everyone has $15,000 to just throw around to benefit the rest of the herp community, I don't know. And he STILL hasn't responded to her offer to give him the snakes.

Sure, she's made some decisions that I don't agree with, but in the end has done every damn thing she can do to try to help out not only her animals, but the rest of the herp world in general. She has extended her vet search past Dr. Jacobsen when she couldn't even get him to speak to her (BEFORE she put up ads to sell some of the animals), and referred to another couple of reptile specialists, as well as another vet, who perhaps is not a herp specialist, but is affected by the sme damn virus after buying a snake from the same source as where she did. When you can't even get a vet to RESPOND to you, what else do you do? Sit on your ass and watch your animals die, or look for help elsewhere???

And take a read through all of the posts in the Bearded Dragon world about Dr. Jacobsen and his research on Adenovirus in Beardies...he flat out said that Beardies with AV should NOT be bred, but the vast majority of Beardie breeders are flat out ignoring his advice. Is there legitimate reason for this? Judge for yourself.

In Jen's shoes, I don't know if I coul have gone on as long as she has, between the heartbreak it has caused her at home, and the beatings she has received here and other places for it. There's no set precedence for something like this, as far as I know.....does one euthanize all of the animals and give up from the beginning, or keep going on and try to help out the whole herp community at your own expense (which you really can't afford in the first place)? Or just keep it quiet like so many others have done before her, and go on with life as usual? Tough call, huh?

 

[Cat_72]

And take a read through all of the posts in the Bearded Dragon world about Dr. Jacobsen and his research on Adenovirus in Beardies...he flat out said that Beardies with AV should NOT be bred, but the vast majority of Beardie breeders are flat out ignoring his advice. Is there legitimate reason for this? Judge for yourself.

Re-reading this, I should perhaps clarify what I am (or am NOT) saying here. I am NOT implying anything whatsoever about the legitimacy of Dr. Jacobsen's work with AV. I'm simply asking what reasons people may have for why they are either not following his advice....or unable to get more follow-up information from him to continue learning and working with whatever they are dealing with. That is all.

 

[Mooing Tricycle]

so how would any other vet know what course of action to take if they don't even know what it it.

Exactly my point. And what ive said all along. Why offer advice that bleach is OK to use, if one dosnt know what they are dealing with. I never said anything about Dr. Jacobson? So im not really sure where you got that from..... Only, the vet she is CURRENTLY dealing with that offered the advice of using bleach.


You said this "After all this I really can't believe that you are trying to sell your racks. You trusted your vet that this vaccine for some other disease would work - it didn't, and now you are putting other people's animals at risk on the word of the same person. " To which i agreed, and said that another vet might be in order before going with his word alone.

 

[reagorfu]

April, you obviously have not worked with folks like Dr. Jacobsen before. They don't do ANYTHING for free, which would be a good part of the reason why Jen already has an astonishingly huge vet bill. Jen has been paing and paying for this research, when she could have just said SCREW YOU ALL right from the beginning....and folks are still jumping on her ass about not doing enough. Whether it's simply that they haven't taken the time to actually learn everything she's done and been through, or are blissfully ignorant about how the whole world of research into things like this works, or think that everyone has $15,000 to just throw around to benefit the rest of the herp community, I don't know. And he STILL hasn't responded to her offer to give him the snakes.

Sure, she's made some decisions that I don't agree with, but in the end has done every damn thing she can do to try to help out not only her animals, but the rest of the herp world in general. She has extended her vet search past Dr. Jacobsen when she couldn't even get him to speak to her (BEFORE she put up ads to sell some of the animals), and referred to another couple of reptile specialists, as well as another vet, who perhaps is not a herp specialist, but is affected by the sme damn virus after buying a snake from the same source as where she did. When you can't even get a vet to RESPOND to you, what else do you do? Sit on your ass and watch your animals die, or look for help elsewhere???

And take a read through all of the posts in the Bearded Dragon world about Dr. Jacobsen and his research on Adenovirus in Beardies...he flat out said that Beardies with AV should NOT be bred, but the vast majority of Beardie breeders are flat out ignoring his advice. Is there legitimate reason for this? Judge for yourself.

In Jen's shoes, I don't know if I coul have gone on as long as she has, between the heartbreak it has caused her at home, and the beatings she has received here and other places for it. There's no set precedence for something like this, as far as I know.....does one euthanize all of the animals and give up from the beginning, or keep going on and try to help out the whole herp community at your own expense (which you really can't afford in the first place)? Or just keep it quiet like so many others have done before her, and go on with life as usual? Tough call, huh?

now i really do have to change my opinion on Jen here. she keeps getting caught doing things that are really uncool, like trying to sell off her animals and now her racks and you guys say she is still a good guy? she says sorry and acts ignorant after every time she gets caught, i hate the stupid act. just admit your trying to slip one by.

she ignored the advice of Dr. Jacobsen and use his name to make it sound like he said it was OK for her to get rid of her snakes. if i were him i would have nothing to do with her now either. why would he want his name to look bad?

so what if she spent $15,000 on trying to fix her collection, how is that in anyway helping the community? why is trying to save your investment helping the community? to make it worse, she did not listen to the one guy who specialises in this sort of thing, and because of that she never found anything out.

if anything she tried to hurt the community by selling sick snakes and racks that may or may not have the virus on them. not a good guy, even if your pals with her.

i know that it really must suck to put your animals down, but you have not listened to the person who could have helped you and now you have to deal with that. if i were her i would try and apologise to Dr. Jacobsen, he was most likely really hot after the first half of this thread, and see if that helps in you finally helping the community for real.

Jen, sorry to here about your family. i hope that everything will get better after the big D is final.

 

[The BoidSmith]

Exactly my point. And what ive said all along. Why offer advice that bleach is OK to use, if one dosnt know what they are dealing with. I never said anything about Dr. Jacobson? So im not really sure where you got that from..... Only, the vet she is CURRENTLY dealing with that offered the advice of using bleach.


You said this "After all this I really can't believe that you are trying to sell your racks. You trusted your vet that this vaccine for some other disease would work - it didn't, and now you are putting other people's animals at risk on the word of the same person. " To which i agreed, and said that another vet might be in order before going with his word alone.

Alicia,

Bleach (and lye) are currently recommended disinfectants against one of the more dangerous livestock virus that's out there, the hoof and mouth disease virus. There's plenty of research demonstrating its effectiveness, and we are not dealing of a virus that could wipe some snake collections but one that could severely hurt the country's economy.

Best.

Dan G.

 

[Cat_72]

now i really do have to change my opinion on Jen here. she keeps getting caught doing things that are really uncool, like trying to sell off her animals and now her racks and you guys say she is still a good guy? she says sorry and acts ignorant after every time she gets caught, i hate the stupid act. just admit your trying to slip one by.

She was told that bleach would kill the virus. Not the decsion I would make....but she trusted him. After rethinking it, she changed her mind. If she was trying to "slip one by", would she have posted the ad here on Fauna where everyone who is so hot on her ass could read it?

she ignored the advice of Dr. Jacobsen and use his name to make it sound like he said it was OK for her to get rid of her snakes. if i were him i would have nothing to do with her now either. why would he want his name to look bad?

Did you even READ half of this? SHE COULDN'T GET A RESPONSE FROM HIM LONG BEFORE SHE TRIED TO SELL THOSE SNAKES. Why is that so freakin hard to understand?

so what if she spent $15,000 on trying to fix her collection, how is that in anyway helping the community? why is trying to save your investment helping the community? to make it worse, she did not listen to the one guy who specialises in this sort of thing, and because of that she never found anything out.

So what? Jen didn't have $15,000 to spend, and she provided all of the information she could to help EVERYONE in the herp community. I don't believe she had anywhere close to that amouint invested in her collection to begin with, so besides trying to save her pets, she chose to make all of this information public, instead of hiding it and sweeping it under the rug like those before her did. If those before her has spent that kind of money on research, shared the infomation with others, perhaps Jen would never have had to have done ANY of this. But it's because of the public reaction they would get (like your post and so many others) that inspired them to keep it hidden. She euthnized some of her own animals to try to get more information, yeah, that's strictly protecting hers.

if anything she tried to hurt the community by selling sick snakes and racks that may or may not have the virus on them. not a good guy, even if your pals with her.

Bullshit! If she really wanted to hurt the community, would she have told everyone she had it? Would it have made you feel better if she would have just kept on selling, not telling anyone? Not gone thru the time, money, and heartache of even contacting other countries looking for some help?

i know that it really must suck to put your animals down, but you have not listened to the person who could have helped you and now you have to deal with that. if i were her i would try and apologise to Dr. Jacobsen, he was most likely really hot after the first half of this thread, and see if that helps in you finally helping the community for real.

Again, one more time.....THERE WAS NO COMMUNICATION FROM HIM LONG BEFORE THE FIRST HALF OF THIS THREAD!!! She sought out other vets when she was getting no help from him! You would have preferred her to just sit back and do nothing? That would really be progress, huh? I hate to tell you, this is far from the biggest thing Dr. Jacobsen has to work on, and is very probablynot on his "high priority" list. Just because she sought out the aid of other vets, vets who are COMPLETELY QUALIFIED, she's done wrong?

Yep. I don't think it's right, but I completely understand why those who have gone through this before never opened their mouth.

The human race sucks.

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

Cathy, I wish I could give you more karma for your most recent post...

People, you need to read the ENTIRE situation before spouting of half truths or opinions as fact.

 

[Mooing Tricycle]

Alicia,

Bleach (and lye) are currently recommended disinfectants against one of the more dangerous livestock virus that's out there, the hoof and mouth disease virus. There's plenty of research demonstrating its effectiveness, and we are not dealing of a virus that could wipe some snake collections but one that could severely hurt the country's economy.

Best.

Dan G.

Im sure theyre great disinfectants.

I would never trust them if my collection had a deadly virus, dont care how great they can be, if i missed one crack, that crack could have some of the virus in it. Not worth the risk. I would get rid of everything.