Jerry Conway - Unethical Practices

[Wolfy-hound]

Thanks for the cool info on scent-feeding Dan. Glad to hear the babies are doing well.

 

[John Apple]

Just a side note here on shipping costs where jc said it costs 60-75 bucks for ups as they have raised the rates.
I can ship anywhere in our wonderful country from my ups desk for under 45 bucks. I suppose making money on shipping there
It all depends on which zone you ship to and from.
Michigan to Florida would cost me around 28-35 and to Washington would be around 45.
Now if I was shipping to Ohio it would be less than 25 and in my state would be less than 20.
Being unethical with animals is one thing and inflating the shipping costs to get a pitty party is also unethical in my opinion

 

[JuliusSqueezer]

Hey great...selling sibling "pairs and trios". There's a whole new ethical debate to add to the muck. Is there anyone left to respect in this hobby?

 

[spawn]

Just a side note here on shipping costs where jc said it costs 60-75 bucks for ups as they have raised the rates.
I can ship anywhere in our wonderful country from my ups desk for under 45 bucks. I suppose making money on shipping there


Both UPS and FedEx have increased shipping rates into the new year, and I recently had frogs shipped to me via FedEx (I know it's not UPS, but both companies increased their rates) which was $75 (should have been $50 as predicted by experienced shipper), and other people who ship frogs have said rates are upwards of $90. So, his figure of $60-$75 is nowhere out of the realm of reasonable quoting.

I'm sure other routine shippers can chime in on the inflated costs this year. I just don't think it's right to blame him for tacking on dollars onto the shipping, and starting a whole other slew of arguments.

 

[Suncoast Herpetological]

Actually John the advertisement states they are being assist fed and I think it was you who earlier said they were being force fed. There is a big difference actually. Also, your earlier statement said they were not feeding on their own, but they do and would feed on their own with frogs/anoles and scented pinks. And it's not a judgement call as parasites should be avoided at all costs, including the mere few seconds it takes to put a mouse tail into a snake's mouth. And what's dicey? The buyers are hobby folk who are experienced to raise their own newborns and thousands of new born candoia and other snakes have been moved in the hobby without incident.

Dan

Dan, this thread has been hijacked sufficiently without my adding to it any further. This particular topic would be a good one for the general business forum. Suffice it to say that i disagree with virtually everything in the above post and consider about half of it to be simply incorrect if not ludicrous.

I guess we just need to agree to disagree. Different standard of business ethics and all that

 

[Dan Scolaro]

John: I am only being responsible to counter your false and misleading statements. If you cannot take it, then quit saying such nonsense. And you are a funny guy making my back hurt with laughter. You fail to knock other folks for unknown reasons (based on inexperience) and make trivial attempts to bolster your business claiming to not do stuff other people do better than you. It never worked before, and it's not working now.

Dan

 

[Suncoast Herpetological]

Like I said Dan, start a thread in the appropriate section and we can continue this if you choose. It does not belong here

 

[Suncoast Herpetological]

You fail to knock other folks for unknown reasons (based on inexperience) and make trivial attempts to bolster your business claiming to not do stuff other people do better than you.

Dan

I am sure you are trying to say something here...not quite sure what

 

[John Apple]

Just a side note here on shipping costs where jc said it costs 60-75 bucks for ups as they have raised the rates.
I can ship anywhere in our wonderful country from my ups desk for under 45 bucks. I suppose making money on shipping there


Both UPS and FedEx have increased shipping rates into the new year, and I recently had frogs shipped to me via FedEx (I know it's not UPS, but both companies increased their rates) which was $75 (should have been $50 as predicted by experienced shipper), and other people who ship frogs have said rates are upwards of $90. So, his figure of $60-$75 is nowhere out of the realm of reasonable quoting.

I'm sure other routine shippers can chime in on the inflated costs this year. I just don't think it's right to blame him for tacking on dollars onto the shipping, and starting a whole other slew of arguments.

Yes the rates were raised and that is what I pay today. to me that [60-75] is out of the 'realm of reasoning' ahh but then there are those expensive box and heat pac costs

 

[Suncoast Herpetological]

John

It also depends on what sort of discount structure he has negotiated with Fedex. I shipped a 15 X 11 X 7 weighing 3 pounds from Florida to California today and it would have been $57.19 pre discount. That was the price dropped at the center. It is more if it is dropped at a Kinko's or one of those packing stores. Of course for one Baby Candoia, I can't imagine you would use a box that big.

 

[Lloyd Heilbrunn]

My recent UPS Next Day quotes for 12x9x6 have been $64 for residential delivery from the UPS store across the street......!!

 

[JuliusSqueezer]

My recent UPS Next Day quotes for 12x9x6 have been $64 for residential delivery from the UPS store across the street......!!

ahhh but YOU aren't a New York negotiator From what I gather, he probably has the VP of operations over at fedex hand delivering his packages for the cost of a postage stamp.

 

[hartsock]

My recent UPS Next Day quotes for 12x9x6 have been $64 for residential delivery from the UPS store across the street......!!

Funny, when it comes to unethical practices no one seems to point out that only FedEx out of the great three (UPS, FedEX, and DHL) allow for shipment of snakes. So I guess it is only fitting that a thread about someone's unethical business dealings also looks to the same when shipping comes. Really at this point, it doesn't matter if Dan has them or not and how they are doing. I believe the topic is about how Jerry screwed BW over. Dan just seems to be throw chaff out the exhaust to try to divert attention away from Jerry. So a relevant question for Dan to answer is how much of a cut is Jerry getting out of the selling of the snakes? Or maybe how much of a profit has Jerry already received upfront for the snakes?

 

[Helenthereef]

Jerry Conway Bad Guy

I'm new to the site and to the thread, and don't know anyone involved, but it seems to me that people post first and maybe think later - the vitriol (I hesitate to say venom on a herp site) seems out of proportion to the subject, and I couldn't blame anyone for reacting defensively to some of these attacks.
Whatever the rights or wrongs of the case, it seems to me that years of having a good reputation are not taken into account when one thing goes wrong.
And just for the record, as someone who cannot be a potential customer (as I am a LONG way out of the US) when I first started asking questions about a sick Candoia neonate, Jerry answered my email queries promptly and helpfully, and was a great reassurance.

 

[Wilomn]

I'm new to the site and to the thread, and don't know anyone involved, but it seems to me that people post first and maybe think later - the vitriol (I hesitate to say venom on a herp site) seems out of proportion to the subject, and I couldn't blame anyone for reacting defensively to some of these attacks.
Whatever the rights or wrongs of the case, it seems to me that years of having a good reputation are not taken into account when one thing goes wrong.
And just for the record, as someone who cannot be a potential customer (as I am a LONG way out of the US) when I first started asking questions about a sick Candoia neonate, Jerry answered my email queries promptly and helpfully, and was a great reassurance.

It seems to me that having had conversations with jerry prior to commenting on this thread would make your very first statement here a lie.

Interesting.

I don't think a single person here has questioned his knowledge of candoia. Let's just let it go that he knows them well and shares the knowledge.

The thing is, and this is the part the I just don't understand, the guy lied and misrepresented himself in order to basically scam over TWO THOUSAND dollars worth of snakes from another reliable goodguy breeder, and you seem willing to simply let this pass because he answered your questions.

There are an awful lot of intelligent people who know a lot about candoia who are not lying scamming bottom of the barrel people. Apparently jerry has decided not to be one of them.

There has been a bunch of this crap the last few months. People who insisted mr. clark was ok because he knew lots about frogs, this cortiz guy who lied and then put the screws to someone else in bad standing because he thought no one would defend the other guy, now jerry again.

Are people like you so desperate for information that they not only go to guys like jerry and mr. clark and cortiz, but they must then brag about how well informed they were?

Big deal.

These guys have been less than honest. They have been less than ethical. They have done the exact opposite of what they have advised others to do.

Does this count for nothing?

I just don't get it.

If you want some really good info on candoia look up Seamus Haley. He's honest, crusty so you'll like his flavor, honest, intelligent, highly experienced, honest, and will tell you all you need to know and more no matter what problem you may be having with your candoia.

 

[Helenthereef]

I don't know Jerry at all - I sent a question to his Candoia page and he responded. I'm not commenting on the issue of the snake sale, more on the manner of the posts, which seemed excessively violent. Maybe it's just me, but I don't think even the main complainant felt as strongly about it as some of those who responded.
My point about his advice was that he gave it freely and it worked, and there was no profit motive there - so he's obviously not spending ALL his time sitting in a cellar working out how to defraud the world.
Thanks for the reference to Seamus Haley, you obviously think he's honest, and I'm always grateful for contacts.

 

[Wilomn]

I don't know Jerry at all - I sent a question to his Candoia page and he responded. I'm not commenting on the issue of the snake sale, more on the manner of the posts, which seemed excessively violent. Maybe it's just me, but I don't think even the main complainant felt as strongly about it as some of those who responded.
My point about his advice was that he gave it freely and it worked, and there was no profit motive there - so he's obviously not spending ALL his time sitting in a cellar working out how to defraud the world.
Thanks for the reference to Seamus Haley, you obviously think he's honest, and I'm always grateful for contacts.

In your case, given the distance you actually are from the USA, I suppose you not being up to date on all that's gone on in the last few months must be taken into consideration.

I'm just tired of doubledealing scumbags passing themselves off as nice guys, or maybe it's nice guys moonlighting as double dealing scumbags, either way, it's tiresome.

Seamus is a member here whose knowledge of candoia is second to none.

 

[crotalusadamanteus]

we were nice to each other on the phone last nite....and i really didnt think he would post...i thought we had it "resolved" and that we were both ok with it....

And BW thought you guys had a deal, and an honest agreement, about the future of the animals. Once you had the animals, you decided to CHANGE that agreement, by cheating him out of his money, and offering a lousy $50. Is it only you that's allowed a second thought on the subject?

You just plain ripped him off, and you know it. You lied all the way through it and don't even have the testicular fortitude to face up to it.

BW didn't make you look bad at all. You did that to yourself by being deceptive, and underhanded.

You're way too nice BW.

Rick

 

[carl3]

my experience

I haven't read the entire thread (as I have a tired toddler to contend with at the moment) but I agree with one of the early replies regarding how disappointing it is that one of the few people working with Candoia is (and in my opinion) has been an unethical person. On a few occassions in years past, I have contacted him (through ks.com ads) about his candoia. Each instance, he privately quoted me higher prices than what he advertised. I have always been extremely frustrated and discouraged by this b/c....well it seemed as though he had a monopoly on this amazing species. Given the difficult nature of Candoia husbandry, it's a true shame. My only regret...I dismissed it at the time and never saved any emails. I have, however, had conversations (years back) with a few others that have experienced similar negative experiences...so in my opinion, his poor ethics = nothing new.

There is a Candoia Yahoo group that I used to belong to. (it had a goal of trying to unite candoia keepers/breeders to share tips on breeding/feeding/care info). I'd be VERY interested in what some of those folks have to say.

 

[GinoInDaBronx]

Birds of a Feather...

helen, just out of curiousity-what was it that brought you to this site? A defender of a lying thief like jerry conway just happening to stumble upon the BOI at this time, just seems a little too apropos to me...

And jerry, how much will you be reembursing BW for your thieving ways? That is what an honest man would do (do you know any of those?)...

Your's,

Gino Beniquez