Here are the emails I received once I opened him. I was kind of let down, and disappointed, but because I'm not normally conned for money like this, I just wasn't sure what to say..
From:North Jersey Gliders <
[email protected]>
To:Kati <
[email protected]>
Subject:RE: Tendered to FedEx
Date:Thu 4/21/16 11:43 AM
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Hi Kati.. he is here.. and he must have hated the trip because he was fired up.
Don't think he would be considered a moonglow . Oh well... getting him settled in.. thank you.
From:Kati <
[email protected]>
To:North Jersey Gliders <
[email protected]>
Subject:Re: Tendered to FedEx
Date:Thu 4/21/16 6:12 PM
Hi Lisa,
I am glad he arrived safely. He must of gotten stressed from the shipping. Give him some time to settle in and a nice hiding spot. He likes to go in empty paper towel or toilet paper rolls.
Thanks,
Kati
From:North Jersey Gliders <
[email protected]>
To:Kati <
[email protected]>
Subject:RE: Tendered to FedEx
Date:Fri 4/22/16 9:57 AM
Kati, how long does it take for them to fire down? He's been in his paper towel roll all night and in a quiet spot and I checked on him this morning.. hes still brown/tan. And he's never fired up like this for you? Seeing him like this it's hard to believe he was white at all.
From:North Jersey Gliders <
[email protected]>
To:Kati <
[email protected]>
Subject:RE: Tendered to FedEx
Date:Fri 4/22/16 6:17 PM
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Kati, I have been trying to find a female for Elvis and have been showing his photos to get help, and I am feeling really terrible about this money I spent for a moonglow that you claimed him to be and he is not. I just took this picture.. I dont mind paying a fair price for a gecko...and by your words he never changed, and was a moonglow, so my expectation was that since there is this controversy about moonglow, if he changed even a little because he wasnt, it would be minimal, and I could accept that.. I dont ever want to feel bad about a purchase, and I pulled my posts and just backed away because I feel like a complete fool and just bad. Is he nice? Yes.. he is sweet. My kids love him, and I like him.. but I feel just bad. More so embarassed.
The geckos you picture on your site that are white are not fired up..and I honestly feel as though that is not an accurate way to list these animals. Am I knew to this? Yes, but I learning quickly.... I was excited because anything I saw about you was good from buyers so I trusted that.
I really don't know what to do at this point.
From:Kati <
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To:North Jersey Gliders <
[email protected]>
Subject:Re: Tendered to FedEx
Date:Sat 4/23/16 1:21 AM
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Hi Lisa,
He is likely stressed and settling in from the trip. Cage temps should be in the 70's with no heat lamp or pad. Mist him daily or every other day and try feeding him straight peach or banana baby food with vitamins instead of the formula you got for now. I am sorry you are unhappy. I have a very nice high end red and yellow harlequin male dalmatian named George and a nice unsexed yellow harley juvenile named Sally that I could send you at no charge if you are interested.
Thanks,
Kati
From:North Jersey Gliders <
[email protected]>
To:Kati <
[email protected]>
Subject:RE: Tendered to FedEx
Date:Sat 4/23/16 10:50 AM
Hi Kati,
His cage temp runs 71-76.. I have peach baby food for him ... he did poop, so that's a plus.
I wasn't really into the red. They are nice, but I wanted to stick to the lighter color/white as much as humanly possible . I also am not set up for another male or breeding right now. I've been looking around for light color females and it's proven to be the perverbial needle in a haystack. So I figured I had some time.
From:North Jersey Gliders <
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To:Kati <
[email protected]>
Subject:RE: Tendered to FedEx
Date:Sat 4/23/16 3:19 PM
Kati, it was suggested that I post his photo (fired and unfires) and ask what he would be worth.. 40 is the most anyone said they would pay for him. I am really gutted at this point. Perhaps that is why he was in a group of geckos. He certainly is NOT a moonglow.
From:North Jersey Gliders <
[email protected]>
To:Kati <
[email protected]>
Subject:RE: Tendered to FedEx
Date:Sun 4/24/16 5:20 PM
Kati,
I've sat down with my children and I belive (as much as I hate to send an animal back through post) that he should be returned with a refund for misrepresentation. He is NOT what you advertised him as. I've spoken to others at this point, and this is nothing more then a pet, no where near worth what I paid. If I wanted just a pet, I could have gone to petco and most likely paid less as they are 50% off this weekend. I trusted that he didn't changed. This is what you told me. You even warned me about others trying to pass off moonglows and scamming people. If his color change was a matter of the yellow darkening just slightly but him remaining white, I wouldn't have an issue. As it stands, he is still not fully white. He is beige at best. It sucks because my kids like him.. not because of his color or his structure (which is also apparently poor) , but because they have also waiting for him and getting ready to love him. You gave me little other info on him until after he was paid, and it was then, that you tell me he was in under a bunch of other geckos that you purchased from a hobby breeder. So you took a wholesale crested gecko, and put him out as a Moonglow? There are ways to check. To get him to fire up. You have had him for years, and I can't see where you would have never seen him fire up, or wouldn't have time to get him to fire up so that you could claim without a doubt that he was a moonglow. Which you have been doing for some time it seems. Perhaps the reason you still had him is because others knew he wasn't what you claimed. I noticed the add on fauna was removed. Not because he sold. If that was the case, other posts would have been removed. I believe it was because someone said something to you about it. And you told me that person was just a bully. The cache is still available online and people have shown these to me. Even there you deny him being a fired down color, that he is really a moonglow.
My whole experience with this just sucks now. I don't care to ever go through this again. I'm beside myself ...
I would like a full refund based on false advertising. I don't know who you use for shipping, but if you set it up for them to pick him up, I can repack him in the same container and box you sent him in. I have never sent an animal like this, so I wouldn't know where to start.
Unless you are willing to refund 690 of the 805 I sent, for a PET quality, never to be bred animal, which is what you sent me, (60 for the gecko and 55 for the shipping), I don't see another way.
This wasn't right. You knew how excited I was to get him..I crushed. I lover him because I mentally got attached, but being scammed bothers me to the point of tears. Even after I showed you the photo of him brown, you knew he wasn't a moonglow. You are sorry I'm not happy, but how could I be when you told me he doesn't change, and clearly he has. Moonglows do NOT change color. But then again, seems true moonglows don't exist, and people claim you knew this. You still sold it as such.
If you agree to sell him to me for what he truly is, pet quality, pet only:
4-1-16. $150 (full refund)
3-11-16. $350 (full refund)
2-27-16. $100 (full refund)
1-24-16. $100 ($90 refund)
Otherwise, once each transaction is refunded, you can let me know when he will be picked up. I'm sure you will want him back asap if you have others that were as stupid as me wanting him.
Thank you
Lisa
at this point, I did what I could throught paypal. She wouldn't respond to me, but she responded to paypal. I'm going to try to find anything from them I can screen shoot saying what her response was.
From:North Jersey Gliders <
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To:<
[email protected]>
Subject:RE: Tendered to FedEx
Date:Tue 4/26/16 8:46 AM
I noticed and heard what you said to paypal.I will be getting screen shots of every email since this started and reporting you to fauna as a liar and con artist.I've been informed to report you to Ic3.go and that is exactly what I will be doing.You are a horrible person Kati, a liar and a con artist.I hope that you have all the emails on your end to back up you telling me he changes, because these two screen shots say it all.
You picked the wrong person to scam.I might be new to crested geckos enough to fall for your lies, but I am not new to making websites and getting them ranked by meta tags. What gets me is that you couldn't respond to me but you responded to paypal.It's ok. Im sure you spent the money you took while lying and cheating me and my kids.You are a real piece of work.
