Nick,
I did address matters involving my name with those who used it directly with those who would respond. My feelings were not hurt (good grief), nor did I feel betrayed personally, as none of these people were my friends. I do feel that the Fauna community was betrayed. Others were hurt, and the issue is not just for Rich to have an opinion about, resolve, etc., at least in the view of a few of us. Your logic and mine are miles apart.
Great post Griz, but I do want to add to, or take issue with, one part:
With that being said, some of you guys who were specifically mentioned need to develop thicker skin. I have a good deal of respect for each you listed, but I am sure you have been called worse by much better. I know I have. So, instead of allowing people to pour more salt in everyone's wounds, why not just step away and move on? You now know how certain people think and you can respond, or not respond, accordingly in the future.
All will surely move on, whether hurt or limping, etc. Can't do much to change what's been done, and we agree there. But its not just about what happened yesterday, its about what we would like to NOT see tomorrow. Those folks over there screwed up. They used some of us, and Fauna in general, for their fun, just as you say. As for what is to be gained? Maybe an apology or two might ease things for some, maybe not. Taking the offensive stuff down might help the healing, or at least moving-on, process. But for me, its all about changing the tone the next time, if there is a next time, and maybe find a better sport than biting the hand that once fed you. Its about imparting on an offending party the impression that they do not want to do this again, as they have already shown the propensity for such poor judgement once. As you said, they made choices to get off on a very bad note. Kelli and I talked out much. Marcia and I have traded sincere notes. But until there's a public apology to certain individuals and the Fauna Community as a whole, which has certainly been discussed in all venues, and may be forthcoming, people here who were offended not only have the right, but in my eyes the duty, to keep the din going until they, the offended parties, decide "enough already" and make the choice to move on. It was an outstanding post Griz.
I applaud those few, who in their critiques, asked what might still be gained, or what do you want to see happen. To those who told others they weren't properly neutral or objective, or needed to be more of an adult, either directly or implied ..... maybe it is you who needs to watch from the sidelines. Just as you recommend that Rich and Kelli need to work out their problems, I recommend that any with problems with Kelli or Marcia or others, or that site in general, should be afforded the same courtesy to pursue matters, publicly or privately. The Fauna community did not ask for this fight. If you want this thread to end, don't post.
Ken, you are quite right that advice can be given, and need not be taken. Whether non-involved or non-offended parties are therfore in possession of objective opinions is something else, and not a direct connection of the logic dots. Did this thread finally convince Kelli to reply to some of us, finally do the right thing and take the thread down early this morning (EST)? I believe that all the salt-in-the-wounds was done over the weekend. Most of the continuing thread today seems to be "neutral" folks telling other folks how they should think or feel, or when to move on. Some of you folks get so caught up in telling other members how to act, in some cases using the words "act like adults" .... sheeesh ! And then there's Jeremy!
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