KelliH and others Banned? Why?

[varnyard]

Thanks guys!! And Ro, last time I checked I am in Panamacity Florida, lol

As for the record, I don't think we are kin.

 

[dragonflyreptiles]

What of your public apology?

Steph, I did not say anything bad about this site or Rich, if I had I would apologize to him or fauna.

Im not going to apologize for being honest about a few people that get on my nerves or that I do not like. That would be apologizing for being human and having an opinion.

I never thought it would be an issue since so much is posted on lots of the other sites about lots of people and places so the only thing I can say I am sorry about is that I should have posted it in HELL before I posted it elsewhere so that my stating an opinion on another site would not be an issue.

 

[varnyard]

Now Wendy, I am not going to go there, but there is much more than you are telling here. Let me think, maybe screen shots.

Now what exactly was your point of posting them over there?

Well, I did need to go there, the facts need to be seen. If it was not to try to start trouble, than for the sake of God tell me why you did that?

 

[shrap]

If it was not to try to start trouble, than for the sake of God tell me why you did that?

When did it become a crime to state your opinion or feelings about people?

Am I starting trouble when I say I don't like George Bush? Should I apologize to George Bush and America because I have publicly stated I don't like him?

Same for my ex-neighbor. I didn't like him. And told him and other neighbors I did not like him. Was that such a terrible thing? Did I owe him an apology for not liking him? For saying I didn't like him? No, I don't believe so.

I know there are plenty of people that don't like me. And I don't care. They can say it to my face, behind my back, on this forum, on my forum, on the phone, in an email, in a letter to the edotior of their favorite newspaper. I don't care. That is their opinion and personal feelings and they are completely entitled to them. As long as what people say about me is honest and truthful..... then rock on!!! More power to them.

 

[WebSlave]

When did it become a crime to state your opinion or feelings about people?

Apples and oranges. When one moderator on this site bad mouths another moderator here while on another site and I find out about it, they are history here. If anyone believes such an activity is perfectly OK from a moderator, then we will just have to agree that we think differently about such things.

Wendy - do you truly believe that was an appropriate thing for you to do?

 

[Chameleon Company]

Sammy,
I agree with most of what you say, but all in all that is one bad analogy to what was done here, IMO. Are we talking about crimes here, or just the right of folks to have an opinion that others exercized poor judgement ? Or is one side allowed opinions, and the other not ?

 

[shrap]

Apples and oranges. When one moderator on this site bad mouths another moderator here while on another site and I find out about it, they are history here. If anyone believes such an activity is perfectly OK from a moderator, then we will just have to agree that we think differently about such things.

Rich,

You are completely right. That is a completely different aspect completely (one that I was not looking at when I made my post). As a moderator you have an added obligation and added responsibilities to conduct yourself in the best interest of the site in which you are a mod.

There is a site that I am a mod on that I do not completely agree with all of the rules. But by accepting that position I have willingly chosen to put my personal feelings about those rules aside and do what is expected of me. So I completely agree with your stance on what you expect from your mods.

 

[Karen Hulvey]

Sammy was right on the money!

Are we talking about crimes here, or just the right of folks to have an opinion that others exercized poor judgement ? Or is one side allowed opinions, and the other not ?

CRIMES?
So you're telling me that you can post screen shots from that site here but it's a crime to post screen shots from this site there? Rules were broken, people were banned, it was taken care of. Are you saying that breaking a rule is a crime?

As for public apologies, I think none are due.
As for fines . . . that's completely asinine.

So exercise your own free will to move on to somewhere else other then THAT thread,or THAT forum. Threads do not open themselves up and tackle you as a reader. YOU have to specifically click on it to open it up and read it. So if you see the title of some thread that looks like it may contain something offensive to you, please don't let it twist your arm or wrestle you to the ground in order to make you read it. Resist it, as impossible as that may seem to do.

And then we have Karen adding her antagonistic $1.02. Not too surprising, as she was one of the individuals I had made inference to in my first post.Karen, it takes a good deal of audacity for you, of all people, to accuse someone of being antagonistic or petty.
Unfortunately, there's a handful of individuals that thrive on conflict and creating rifts between people. Even now, as I read your posts both here and there, I can see you bring nothing constructive to the table, and are intent merely on fanning the fire.

Ken, so nice of you to notice little ole me. I have an opinion, I'm going to state it. You may or may not (looks like not) like it. What I posted is constructive criticism.

Why is it I post 3 or 4 posts and I'm fanning the flames yet Jim posts volumes and continuously fans the flames both here & there, feeds the fire of nearly every thread and you choose to single me out? I think this is getting sillier by the minute.

 

[reptilebreeder]

I hope that this is resolved amicably between Rich and Kelli, apparently apologies have been proffered(?) between them. At the same time I agree with Sammy and Wendy, because Rich and Kelli (and some others) may feel bad about what happened, or the way it happened, to each other, doesn't mean that everything they said about everybody is something they need to apologize for, some people just don't like other people.

I think to insist that an apology is owed, and demand that one be given, as a couple of posters seem to be doing is kind of ????????? (brain fart-I can't think of a good word) at any rate, it doesn't take into account that; 1. An apology needs to be given freely, and 2. maybe there are certain things said, that they still mean, or aren't sorry for.

 

[WebSlave]

CRIMES?
So you're telling me that you can post screen shots from that site here but it's a crime to post screen shots from this site there?

Well it depends. Not really a "crime", but maybe something of a different flavor, I think. Which forum(s) did those screen shots from here come from and who provided them?

 

[Chameleon Company]

Karen says:

So you're telling me that you can post screen shots from that site here but it's a crime to post screen shots from this site there?

The screen shots were from a restricted access forum here, Karen, for which that entity had a special access priveledge. The word "crime" was introduced in a post further up the page, by Sammy, so maybe you should seek explanation there, as that is the only place a "crime" was suggested. My post was saying that IMO, there was no accusation of a crime, only one's opinion that poor judgement was used. As originally posted, all Bobby asked for was an explanation for an action he disapproved of, not a crime.

 

[shrap]

A moral crime Jim.... not a legal one.

 

[Chameleon Company]

Sammy,
And then where is the line drawn between one man's characterization of "poor judgement" and a "moral (but not legal) crime", since we are having to parse words? Must be in that alternative reality !

 

[shrap]

You are parsing words, Jim. Not me.

 

[bcfos]

Apples and oranges. When one moderator on this site bad mouths another moderator here while on another site and I find out about it, they are history here. If anyone believes such an activity is perfectly OK from a moderator, then we will just have to agree that we think differently about such things.

Wendy - do you truly believe that was an appropriate thing for you to do?

This all goes with moderators are held at a higher standard than general members. You are a rep of what ever site you are a moderator of and should act in that site's best interest on another public forum. But then again on the other hand I do believe Kelli's site was by invitation only for her testing phase so it wasn't really a public forum till someone had that gossip thing going on and told someone who told someone who told someone.. Well you get the point, next thing you know it looks like one of my old parties where I might have known 10 or so people and the other 100 or so were total strangers. At least no one called the cops on them like they did on me for such disruptive behavior.

 

[jglass38]

This all goes with moderators are held at a higher standard than general members. You are a rep of what ever site you are a moderator of and should act in that site's best interest on another public forum.

If only this were true here.

 

[varnyard]

Well, today was a shipping day for me. I had to take care of that, but I am back now. So I will clear up what I said, just so there is no confusion.

Wendy had access to the Moderator forums. She took screen shots of threads that were there for the Moderators, for the purpose to start more havoc. If not, then for what reason did she do this? She had access to those forums after she lost her position as a mod here.

As for Kelli's site, a Goggle or Yahoo search showed exactly where it could be found. Unlike the mod forums here.

Then she came here like she has done nothing wrong. Well IMO, there has been way to much trouble stirred up the last few days. Why would she try to start more. IMO, not a good move if intending to stay here. And that is why I have a reason to have said what I did, like the one that brought on my response.

 

[bcfos]

As for Kelli's site, a Goggle or Yahoo search showed exactly where it could be found. Unlike the mod forums here.

Only after the proper name was known and leaked correct? I am asking due to me having a hard time believing that going to google and typing in say leopard gecko you would have her site be near the top of that search.

 

[varnyard]

Only after the proper name was known and leaked correct? I am asking due to me having a hard time believing that going to google and typing in say leopard gecko you would have her site be near the top of that search.

Brian, I can not tell you what I do not know. I do not know how it was made known.

 

[Chameleon Company]

Brian,
Seems a bit late, don't you think? Heard a lot of claims about how it was thought to be private, while at the same time they also knew there were no safeguards except the ability of each invitee to keep a secret. Maybe a little more caution would have been prudent, rather than assuming that all of the "invited" members would keep a secret. Maybe the first excuse, as so well pointed out by Griz early on with regards to character, should have been something other than to offer a "the door was supposed to be locked .... errrr kept secret"? As to whomever may have been the initial leak .... what a list of suspects !