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KezFarms - Im not happy

I can not say whether Coreys attitude is warranted or not yet. Only thing produced was that Kez has a record on him. There has been no emails or anything presented here yet as to any validity of this complaint or bad guy post.
Strange way to try to get a replacement snake.
I am staying neutral until I have something concrete to go on. I do not think a past record on what? no one knows is or has anything to do with this.
Based on what Corey has said and his word alone, since there is nothing else I would say he should get a replacement.
 
well corey never has produced a criminal record on this man only stated he had one,through no link could i find a criminal record on him?so is corey just making this up?it will be interesting to see how this all washes out,,i know if i sold a pair and a month&half later i am contacted w/the attitude corey displayed id say S.O.L. but again had corey sexed the snakes upon arrival and handled it then not 30+days later i bet none of this would have happened ,,, thomas davis T&S reptile farm;)
 
I disagree, Rozann. We have heard the other party's side of it, and he is not disputing that Corey received 3.1, but is disputing that after 30 days he should get a replacement. At least, that's how I interpreted what he said.

It's disturbing that Robert Keszey has ignored communication to resolve this for 8 months, but came on the BOI rather quickly to address it. Since not even Mr. Keszey has disputed Corey's version of the events, I have no reason to doubt that Corey is telling the truth when he states that Mr. Keszey agreed to purchase a female and swap it for a male.

The question is, why hasn't that happened?
 
Thomas, I must be incredibly stubborn, because I just don't understand what you're basing your opinion on.

1) Corey bought 2.2 snakes. The females were "proven".

2) Corey learns he received 3.1 snakes...not immediately, but certainly within a reasonable period of time.

3) Corey contacts the seller, who says that Corey should BUY another female.

4) After a heated discussion, the seller agrees to purchase another female for the buyer and swap it.

5) 8 months passes and no replacement shows up, and seller now refuses to communicate.

Replace Corey's name in 1-5 above with yours, and tell me what you would have done? I think it's reasonable to lose one's temper after such a period of time.
 
through no link could i find a criminal record on him?so is corey just making this up?it will be interesting to see how this all washes out
Click to expand...
here you go...
www.accurint.com
www.publicdata.com

gotta look for it though.



While I agree a month is too long.
I also have to look at the fact of whose fault is it.

If an animals health subsides and dies after a month....well that is on the seller. health changes.
If a proven female turns out to be a male......well that is on the buyer. 1. He misrepresented the animal. 2. I do not think it is the buyers fault if the animal decides to change its sex.

Oh well you guys fight it out.
1. Corey waited a month
2. The seller misrepresented the animal.
Whose side to chose?

Tough call. But I do not routinely sex "Proven" animals from "Big People" So I guess I say Corey gets a new female. Maybe a female that is not proven. Because apperantly the ones that are proven like to change sexes after experiencing labor and parturition.
 
OK, while I agree with the fact that Robbie stated that Corey did indeed buy snakes form him and that a month later Corey told Robbie that one of the snakes that was supposed to be a female was not.
I would have liked to see the e-mails before seeing that Robbie has a record. Just seems strange to me.
I believe Robbie should give Corey a snake, but am trying hard to remain neutral until I see all of what is out there.
 
If an animals health subsides and dies after a month....well that is on the seller. health changes.
If a proven female turns out to be a male......well that is on the buyer. 1. He misrepresented the animal. 2. I do not think it is the buyers fault if the animal decides to change its sex.
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correction. an animal dying is on the buyer.
a missexed animal is on the seller
 
well what happened to corey would not happen to me
1)if i bought 2.2 prooven breeders as soon as i got them i would have them sexed to make sure they were indeed 2.2 no matter who they were from
2)now if a month+ later i was to find out otherwise(wouldnt happen because i would have probed them the day i got them) i would contact the seller and see about a swap,and yes i would expect a swap,, but with that timeline 30+days after the fact and the TUDE and the threats i seriously doubt corey will ever get anything from kesz,i just think its gone to far
3)would i buy from kesz after this post yes i would
4)IMHO corey has just shown his true colors with his threats and allegations of a criminal record,comunication is the key to Ebusiness constant comunication even after the sale but 30+days after requires civility,something corey never expressed again my opinion,,and the sad sad sad thing is hondo's are very easy to sex as adults its quite obvious but a probe never lies and should have been used as soon as he got them:( ,,,,,,,,,,,, oilwell:( ,,,,,live&learn,,,,thomas davis T&S reptile farm
 
thomas, just a matter of curiosity here- why do you have such a hard on for Corey? You have ceaselessly complained about his attitude, to which he is entitled, while using one very similar to which you are not entitled to?

Since this situation would "NEVER" happen to you I would think that you would have a hard time imagining what it feels like to be in it and if you were having such a hard time with what it feels like to be so royally screwed just what is it about this situation that gets to you? If you think you are exhibiting some professionalism I think you are mistaken. If you are trying to play devils advocate you really need some practice and if you think you're just funny, well, don't give up the day job.

Proven breeders don't change sex outside West Hollywood.

3.1 never equals 2.2

Trust is generally given by those who get it and this seems to be the case here, Corey trusted that the snakes where 2.2. Whether it's 30 days or 30 months later, he got 3.1 and should have gotten a female at no charge. He did not get what he paid for, they were not sick, they did not die, they were not too ugly or stupid or uppity for him. The only problem was that one of the girls was in fact a boy.

In this case the snake should be replaced with a female. Period.

Wes Pollock
 
A criminal record is ABSOLOLUTELY in the right place here. Even judges look at past records of unrelated crimes to determine a person's credibility.

I would go as far to say that 99% of the people that don't support the posting of a criminal record as related to FRAUD probably have something to hide as well.....after all.....if you have no criminal record....what do you care if someone looks? If you do....well T.S.!....you screwed up....deal with the consequences!

Tom Chambers
TC Reptile
(I've had a couple of speeding tickets and one for an illegal U-Turn.....but feel free to look!)
 
Apparently, from the wording of his posts, Thomas would like us to believe that upon discovering the mistake, Corey called the seller and went into a tirade of threats and ultimatums with promises of legal action without any attempt to work it out in a civil manner.

The way I understand it, from reading the rest of the thread undistracted by the sound of that axe grinding, the initial attempt to have the matter resolved was met with "too bad, I'll sell you another one", and this brought on the threatening tone.
While threats are of little value in any situation, it is important to note that this is not how Corey approached the situation.

As far as bringing up lawyers, which according to Thomas is another one of Corey's true colors, that was only mentioned after the seller's supposed lawyers contacted Webslave concerning this thread.
When the possibility of legal action is presented, it is only prudent to contact your lawyer, and nothing was said about suing over the sellers apparent refusal to make good on his mistake.

The way I see it, unless the seller is either a crook and intentionally misrepresenting animals or just incredibly stupid, they never proved these hondurans at all. I find it hard to imagine breeding two pairs of snakes and getting two clutches of eggs, thus proving them, while actually having only one female.
I figure they acquired these animals as "proven" and never bothered to verify the sexes themselves.
The cause of the mistake is irrelevant however, the seller is still obligated to resolve it, and this should have been done in the first place.
 
well i have not done the search on the links provided for a criminal record on this kesz guy,dont have the patience,,,anyway a criminal record could/should only be brought up if its a similiar offense IE; fraud,etc in this case selling missexed snakes(misrepresentation),,so now its that corey was wronged from the start?kesz knowingly sold him 3.1 as 2.2?because he new corey trusted him?gimme a break?!!,, i trust lots of folks but if i was investing in 2.2 breeders yeah i would double check the sex as soon as i got them period,business is business as i have stated ya pay for 2.2 you should get 2.2,corey waited 30+days and then let that TUDE and them colors shine through w/the threats and the whining now this kesz guy is a "badguy"?for notdealing w/corey?no sorry i dont think so,and no i have nothing against corey except in this instance i beleive he was wrong and very,very petty in how he handled it,it shows his charactor better then any "record" when the fact remains had he sexed the snakes upon arrival and delt with it then,like a man rather than 8mos later like a whining puppy then none of this would be here now:( i guess im the minority here but i dont see kasz as a "badguy" ,comenow people be honest you sell a pair of snakes 30+days later your customer contacts you with an attitude about misrepresented yadayadayada then threatens you! then post your past criminal record! would you really continue to even acknowledge them at all?maybe its me but give me TUDE and i aint gonna deal w/ya period,its all about open lines of comunication,and mutual respect and IMHO corey R-E-S-P-E-C-T FIND OUT WHAT IT MEANS,,,,thomas davis T&S reptile farm;)
 
I would like to add on that he told me HE PROVED them, just so he cant blame it on someone he got them from.

Stardust, Im not going to go through the trouble of getting emails off my old PC unless Mr Keszey disputes what I say regarding the emails, which he has not disputed a single thing I posted (besides the record). All they contain is me ordering the snakes, and his wife telling me to buy afemale. Thats where they end, if you REALLY feel you need them, I will go unpack my desktop PC and get them.

For those of you who want a copy of the cirminal record email me, out of repect to webslave, I am not posting it at this time.

I tried to work this out in a civil manor prior to theatening to turn him into USPS for fraud. I only threatened after his wife told me i would have to buy a new female. Robert agreed the same day to get me a female.

I bought the 2.2 just for the proven females, I wanted to make sure I got babies from the albino male. The one that was really a female is gravid right now.

I guess i trust people too much, when I order a proven female, I expect a proven female, heck atleast I expect a female not a male. Heck I still send shipments before payment to consistant customers.

I have neglected to read any of Mr Davis' posts, if he has any points i should check out, please let me know.

Back to drinking my beer.
 
have neglected my post haha what a baby please do go back to your beer, you have completely sealed and shown with BRIGHT colors what kind of person you really are corey,,,i have neglected mr davis's post HAHAHAHAHAHAHA,,,i somehow feel privliged thanks;) thomas davis T&S reptile farm;)
 
Criminal Records

Again I find myself reluctantly posting. First let me just say that Corey you deserve to receive the female you paid for, period. End of story (or at least it should be).
Now, I asked politely not to get slammed last time for posting my humble opinion and I'll do so again. Please feel free to disagree with me, but please show some civility to not just me, but all your fellow herpers whether they're right or wrong.
I have absolutely no problem with posting that someone has a criminal record if it is warranted. But, I'm not sure Corey knows what this guys criminal record is for (if you do, please except my apology). All I'm trying to say is that there's other ways to measure a person's credibility then there criminal record. Isn't that what the BOI is for? I could careless if someone got arrested 15 years ago for DUI or something that really has no bearing on whether or not they're an honest business person. If you're going to bring up someone's criminal record do it from the start, not after you get mad at them because you don't like there post, and make sure it is relevant to your case. I don't know if this guy's record is relevant or not here, and I'm certainly not taking his side as I know none of the parties involved.

As for what Mr. Chamber's wrote:

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A criminal record is ABSOLOLUTELY in the right place here. Even judges look at past records of unrelated crimes to determine a person's credibility.

I would go as far to say that 99% of the people that don't support the posting of a criminal record as related to FRAUD probably have something to hide as well.....after all.....if you have no criminal record....what do you care if someone looks? If you do....well T.S.!....you screwed up....deal with the consequences!

Tom Chambers
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I just want to say that I've worked off and on in the criminal justice field for almost twenty years as a police officer, prison counselor, and High School teacher for "at risk youth", and without a doubt the biggest dirtbags that I've had the displeasure of dealing with have no criminal record (yet). Some Judges might care about what someone did twenty years ago, but I'm more concerned with what someone did yesterday and today. All, I'm trying to say is that there are other ways to measure a man's credibility.
Unfortunately in writing this I just realized that there is now a 99% chance that I have a criminal record (damn, I was really hoping to vote next November). Oh well, gotta go, the Police are knocking at my door. Tom, did you turn me in for the reward?
Jus' kiddin' Tom, please don't go postal on me,
Phil Frost
:)
 
Here's my two cents......I think this makes $35.68, Anyway..I purchased 2.2 White-sided Blk Rats from a private breeder in Florida. As usual, I weighed and probed each to initiate my records, and the containers were labeled incorrectly. This was an honest mistake. It does happen. If I was sent an incorrect ratio altogether, I would have known 5 minutes after I received the package. Your initial inspection of newly received animals should (at least) include proper sexing, plain and simple. That way you're not playing catch-up some-odd months later.

1. Should you have received animals of the proper sex? YES

2. Do mistakes happen? ABSOLUTELY

3. Would a prompt, thourough inspection of your new animals have haulted this prior to a BOI post? You would have had a better chance that way, I promise.

Bottom line: 1.1 + 1.1 = 2.2 not 3.1 you did not receive the animals represented. Your waiting X ammount of months to claim this a little unreasonable though.
I don't think I would've handled it in this fashion, but to eaches own.
Good luck Corey, I hope you find some resolution in this, but more over I hope this is a learning lesson for you.....It could've been a lot worse.
I think that was $0.75.
Paul Bollinger
Bayou.Surreal.Reptiles
 
My bad

Just read my post and realized I spelled "there" wrong TWICE! From a retired teacher, can you believe it? It should have been "their". It's getting late so please excuse my blunder. Hey Tom, maybe you can buy me a dictionary (haha). Seriously though, I wish you luck getting that female Corey.
Phil Frost
 
Thomas Davis, again, why the hard-on for Corey? If you have a personal problem or beef, then please, keep it personal. If you have a legitimate business gripe with Corey, then by all means post it so we can all be aware of it. Otherwise, unless your opinions are relevant, please keep your jibes and quips down as it offers NOTHING useful.

Now, Corey got missexed snakes. He did not wait 8 months or a year to notify the seller. He told them in 30 days. I think that is a perfectly reasonable amount of time to inform the seller. Would I have probed the snakes right after getting them? Yes. Corey didn't. Why? Because he paid for 2.2 Hondurans that Kez claims to have bred and produced babies from himself. Corey trusted that since they said they got eggs from BOTH females, that he was getting TWO females, not one. I don't know how you get eggs out of a male, but I'd love to learn as my chondro egg-laying population has now just skyrocketed. :D

From what I understand of the situation, this "TUDE" did not come into play until Corey was told he could BUY another female from Kez. Why should he have to pay again for what he should have gotten in the first place? I'd be pretty pissed, too at that point. Then Kez says he'll send Corey another female to make it up for free. Okay. Well, 9 months later that never came through and completely ignored Corey. Yeah, I'd be pretty pissed, too at that point.

And yes, I think that with the evidence provided thus far, I won't be doing business with Kez Farms now.
 
Corey, I would think that Robbie is disputing you by simpy not giving you a female snake instead of the male you said you recieved instead. I do think you should go through you old PC and get the emails. I personally like to see that this has all transpired. I have learned, mostly from the BOI, not to just trust someone on the word alone, well from here and working at the PD office. I have learned to seek the truth from actual facts that can be proven.
:eek:
And to Tom, well... whatever.

Good luck getting your female you wanted. If it hasn't happened yet, and you won't provide all that is needed to topple this over the edge of wondering to providing the necessary info then I guess these people on the BOI, whether being active or lurkers will be divided on whether this Robbie guy is good or bad.
 
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