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Bad Guy Kimberly Lucas Gorgeousgecko.com con artist!!

Hi Y'all,
Wow, what an introduction to the Fauna classifieds. :)
Well, Ive been folowing thread and decided I might as well make comment.
There are just a couple of basic facts I do want to reinforce.
First off, I didn't alter any photos and I'm glad that has been now proven by the photo info posted.
I didn't produce this gecko and in the 6 months of time that I had the gecko that is the color it stayed. So it was sold to me as a "moonglow", stayed "moonglow color" and I sold it as a "moonglow". According to my non-altererd photographs even Brian agreed that he considered it a "moonglow". Now in dealing in the realm of live animals we have to consider that animals can change due to the stressers in the environment. I have no control over that. That doesn't make me a con-artist or a liar.
I am posting one of the photos Brian sent me at my request and I have to say that I think that the color is very similar to the ones I sent. Brian has mentioned that the gecko never looked like the pictures I took and I don't believe that is true. The more interesting point is that his female "moonglow" in the picture is not all white. It is a light moss green and white cream flame and actually has some dalmatian spots. You can decide for yourselves what you think of that. It's not at all congruent with his "moonglow" definition.

Most importantly I offered Brian $150 (the amount he asked for)credit on any gecko purchase. This is my policy and I am happy to send another gecko or two his way if he chooses. I do sell geckos for as little as $49 so this is a generous offer.

I am a little disturbed that Fauna allows disparaging name calling in the threads title. It doesn't seem right to be able to call someone a con-artist without proof.
I would like to ask that Brian remove that unless he has actual proof that is the case.

That's all for now. :)
Thanks, Kim
 

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the proof is in the picture she just posted, my white gecko is just that white

that other gecko is very clearly very tan, and this is the lightest i have ever gotten him, as i told her when i emailed her the picture.


also i asked for a $150 dollar refund, not credit. Why would i want to buy more geckos from her after this experience? If you want to offer me a credit for the full purchase amount, $450 i'd be happy to ship this guy back to you.
 
also, fully grown geckos do not just suddenly change colors,

and if you bought him as a moonglow, and he always looked like a true moongloe, as rare as they are why were you selling him?
 
gorgeousgecko said:
Hi Y'all,
Wow, what an introduction to the Fauna classifieds. :)
Well, Ive been folowing thread and decided I might as well make comment.
There are just a couple of basic facts I do want to reinforce.
First off, I didn't alter any photos and I'm glad that has been now proven by the photo info posted.
I didn't produce this gecko and in the 6 months of time that I had the gecko that is the color it stayed. So it was sold to me as a "moonglow", stayed "moonglow color" and I sold it as a "moonglow". According to my non-altererd photographs even Brian agreed that he considered it a "moonglow". Now in dealing in the realm of live animals we have to consider that animals can change due to the stressers in the environment. I have no control over that. That doesn't make me a con-artist or a liar.
I am posting one of the photos Brian sent me at my request and I have to say that I think that the color is very similar to the ones I sent. Brian has mentioned that the gecko never looked like the pictures I took and I don't believe that is true. The more interesting point is that his female "moonglow" in the picture is not all white. It is a light moss green and white cream flame and actually has some dalmatian spots. You can decide for yourselves what you think of that. It's not at all congruent with his "moonglow" definition.

Most importantly I offered Brian $150 (the amount he asked for)credit on any gecko purchase. This is my policy and I am happy to send another gecko or two his way if he chooses. I do sell geckos for as little as $49 so this is a generous offer.

I am a little disturbed that Fauna allows disparaging name calling in the threads title. It doesn't seem right to be able to call someone a con-artist without proof.
I would like to ask that Brian remove that unless he has actual proof that is the case.

That's all for now. :)
Thanks, Kim
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I have to agree with you.... plus whose to say that the first pic displayed by the OP is actually of the gecko that was shipped.... It doesnt look anything like the gecko in the pic he sent to Kim.....

It is pretty messed up how the subject line basically presents people as a scammer before anything is proven.... It is borderline slander... THat has always been my biggest issue with the BOI... Judgement is supposed to be made AFTER all the facts are heard.... People just scanning the posts can see the subject describing someone as a crook... and remember that....
 
It does seem kind of weird that she wont lighten up anywhere close to the pictures, but this almost seems like a lost cause and this issue will never be settled, and the argument and BOI will continue for a long time. I would say in the buyers interest id take the $150 and get another gecko, and decide for yourself whether to buy from them again or not. I wonder how many other people have had bad transactions with them..... could say alot

Just my 2 cents
 
Technically Marc, people aren't supposed to add descriptions to the subject lines. Rich just put up a post last week about that. Just name, business, etc. It's kind of a shame that people continue doing this, because these threads are here forever, even if/when the accused is proven innocent.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=194314

I too would like to see some pictures of the gecko in a similar pose so that it can be compared to the seller's pics.
 
Pictures would definately help. I am not up to date on geckos by no means, but it seems to me that in the time he has had the gecko in his collection surely it would of shown some similiar colors at some point. We shall see.
 
Here is a bit of text from the OP's first post and the pictures...

AltitudeExotics said:
But i have seen true moonlgows in person, and i own, while not a moonglow, a WHITE based harley girl, who i was hoping to find a moonglow male for.

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That gecko looks nothing like what it was represented to be. He even gave it time to fire up. Sounds like you have an unhappy customer that you should honor, Kim. A $150 credit seems like a huge slap in the face seeming as he purchased this gecko to breed with his White Based Harley. I doubt he wants to breed that gecko with any of his females now. :NoNo:
 
Omnomnami said:
That gecko looks nothing like what it was represented to be. He even gave it time to fire up. Sounds like you have an unhappy customer that you should honor, Kim. A $150 credit seems like a huge slap in the face seeming as he purchased this gecko to breed with his White Based Harley. I doubt he wants to breed that gecko with any of his females now. :NoNo:
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I agree. What it boils down to is he bought the gecko because of the pictures she sent. He paid for a white gecko. Received an olive gecko. He is an unhappy customer, he deserves some kind of reasonable compensation. $150 IS a slap in the face when he just dropped nearly half a grand on a gecko that could be bought for $50 elsewhere.
 
gorgeousgecko said:
$150 is what he asked for not what I suggested.
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From post #1:
I offered to ship the gecko back to her at my own expense to get a refund and she refused.

i even said i would accept a refund of $150, which is one third of what i paid, and she refused.
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Sorry but he wanted a $150 refund, not $150 to use towards more geckos from you that he would likely not be happy with or even want.
 
I don't think that gecko looks anything like the original pictures. I had a crested gecko that looked just like that (tan) and I only paid $50 for it. I hope you can get some money back. There is no way I'd pay $450 for a tan or olive crested gecko.
 
You have an unhappy customer. He wants a refund. He is willing to pay the return shipping on said animal. Just give the man his refund and quarantine the gecko upon his arrival. Im sure you buy and sell lizards all the time. Why is quarantining this animal going to put your colony at risk? Thats a cop out. You want people on here to believe you werent trying to deceive. If thats truly the case then you chalk this one up to an unhappy customer. The only loss you'd be taking is on shipping the animal to him the first time. Which is very minimal. By taking a hard line stance all your doing is ruining your rep on this board. :shootfoot
 
gorgeousgecko said:
Hi Y'all,
The more interesting point is that his female "moonglow" in the picture is not all white. It is a light moss green and white cream flame and actually has some dalmatian spots. You can decide for yourselves what you think of that. It's not at all congruent with his "moonglow" definition.
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Kim,

Just wanted to point out, he never said that female was a moonglow, in fact in the first post here he stated "and i own, while not a moonglow, a WHITE based harley girl,"
 
If the gecko I bought looked that much different when I got it I would be upset too. But then again I would have never dropped that kinda money on a "moonglow":eek:

I can honestly say that I am most surprised by the fact that you sold a gecko as a "moonglow" for that much money, when clearly it is a run of the mill dime a dozen buckskin/olive male.

Then we come to the solution that was offered up by the buyer............
If I ever have an unhappy customer like this I pray to God he offers to send back the animal I sold and only take a refund of 1/4th the money. That kinda of outcome from a situation like this is almost a wet dream. I am really not sure how you can see that as a bad solution to a customer that is not satisfied with the gecko you shipped.
 
It is intersting to me how Brian origionally called his female a "moonglow" and now he does not. Hmmm

All I can give you is my experience of the gecko when I had it. I think that comes across in the emails. There was no intentional deciet. It makes no sense that I would do that.

The return policy is there for a reason. I can't have geckos sent back to me after being exposed to who knows what.

For me this was out of left field. I sent what I took pictures of and WHAM! All sorts of accusations start flying. At what point do you say enough is enough. In 7 years selling geckos. I have had one other unhappy customer that I am aware of and even that was resolvd peacefully and I received a letter calling me a "class act".

I don't take kindly to being referred to as a liar or accused of altering photos to sell my geckos. That doesn't make me want to work with you on a soultion and I won't be bullied into refunding $ when it is against my policy.

I think the hang up is in the term "moonglow". I don't believe that the gecko I sent is not ever presenting the "color" I photographed him at. I think that is a bunch of BS. Apparently he is not showing that color 24/7 but I highly doubt he is NEVER that color unless is is extremely stressed out all the time.

I am surprised to see that the gecko has had a change in his color because that never happend with me. Then I have to wonder if I am being taken advantage of and it's just not a case of buyers remorse. It just doesn't make any sense to me either and I have no way of knowing the stress the gecko is/was under to make him change to a darker color.

Who's to say an amazing red gecko is only worth $450 when its fired up. Most of the time red geckos stay grey. I mean really, lets get some perspective here. These are GECKOS, they are not exactly predictable. They may lose their tails, they may fire up an amazing color once and then nothing for months. If you have any experience with crested geckos you know this. Even when you buy a gecko at top dollar you know it may not always look stunning.

I'm just saying, you don't go around making unfounded claims against someones character and take no responsibility for it. That is just wrong.

Posting that title in the thread was way out of line.
 
gorgeousgecko said:
It is intersting to me how Brian origionally called his female a "moonglow" and now he does not. Hmmm.
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Brian has in no way claimed his female to be a "moonglow".

Read the underlined text:
AltitudeExotics said:
Now before i go any further, i know the controversy about if moonglows really exist and i fully know the risks of buying a claimed "moonlgow". But i have seen true moonlgows in person, and i own, while not a moonglow, a WHITE based harley girl, who i was hoping to find a moonglow male for.
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I couldnt agree more with Killer Chams "You have an unhappy customer. He wants a refund. He is willing to pay the return shipping on said animal. Just give the man his refund and quarantine the gecko upon his arrival. Im sure you buy and sell lizards all the time. Why is quarantining this animal going to put your colony at risk? Thats a cop out."

This is your chance to make not just her happy but others considering your animals. Your not out anything, do whats right not just for her but for you and your business' future or alot of people who see this could think different, I for one was looking for a pair of cresties now would 2nd think buying one from you just based on this one experience.

and that policy is sketchy aswell, everyone buys/sells/trades if you quarintine an animal there should be no worries it just a way to say tough you bought it
 
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