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Kingsnake problem, anyone else had this problem with classified account?

Nicole

Ok first lets address something if you want to come in and stand on a soap box and express things like you just spouted out .... lets have the cahoonas to express them in the open ok.No reason to post here and then be scared to finish your sentence.. if you have read this thread or any other ... or atleast the rules of this board you will find that you have stepped in the mudd already everyone else so far in this thread has readily voiced there thought and opinions of the whole fiasco so even though your new here please dont afraid to voice yours ok ... thanks
 
kingsnake

I guess I wanted to state I had major problems with KS and at the same time not write a book about it unless someone wanted to read it.
You say I stepped in mudd---and I am new---well the latter is true (this is my first post) and perhaps I am stepping in mud. I was directed here by a few others because I was under the impression that people could express their views about ks or any other herp related organization and not be deleted .
I was always a big KS fan and never knew of anyone elses problems until I had a problem and found others. I feel it's important for people to speak out so others are aware of potential problems.
I have so far found people who were banned (I have left of my own accord BTW) for silly reasons, online breeders or stores who were loyal to KS in the old days and abused once KS became popular....others who had problems advertising like this person might have, and were treated like garbage.
I signed up today---and too quickly maybe---because if this post (or my previous one) is against the rules then I did not read that anywhere (again the error might well be my own).
Also I read this post from one person (savannah) and decided to answer it because it addressed a recent problem I encountered.
It was so far the only post I have read here aside from yours.
If you are a fan of KS.com I'm sorry if you are insulted but I do mean every word I have said.
NR
 
Nicole

Nobody is trying to jump down your throat and I'm sure we'd all like to hear what you have to say. But there are certain rules that need to be followed...and one of them being, that you must provide details and circumstances in your post whenever you make a statement or accusation.

After you've been here for a while and realize how many people come on here just to abuse the board by posting false and inaccurate statements.....you'll understand why WebSlave put these rules into effect.

You say you in your first post.....

Kingsnake is a forum to be avoided at all costs due to the horrible napolian complex of it's CEO Jeff Barringer.
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There are members here who feel the same way you do...but in order to have any credibilty, you must be willing to provide the details.

Welcome to the BOI ! Kick back, relax, and enjoy your ride !
 
Nicole let me first apologize to you for my reply

Sorry i didnt mean to come across they way you took it or the way i did ... when i first posted that i had just woke up ... read your post and saw this


Someone coming in the door who was obviously new to the board
Posting a problem they have with a person / enity / buisness
Then leaving the rest of us looking at a post that really went know where but to say in no uncertain terms " ill email you privately but who cares what the rest of them want to know"

While Posting the ACTUALL facts are not manditory here just are preffered and will overall substaniate you claims and in that will give people a reason to beleive what you post/and why to beleive it .So many people have came to the BOI and made a "blanket statement" as you did only to never post any information to back there claim or information as to why they had posted there claim. And that in turns leaves the rest of us wandering why that person even made a post along the lines they did if there not going to provide more indepth information as to there post .

Please accept my apology for my harshness this morning and i guess next time ill have to smoke my morning Marlboro and have a few more glasses of coke before i open my fingers to the keyboard ...
Thanks oh yeah ..... Welcome to the BOI ...
Lifestyles of the Confused and Dazed :D
 
you must provide details and circumstances in your post whenever you make a statement or accusation.
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This holds true when you start a thread but I think you can come into any thread and just post your feelings on the person without saying why.

I feel a little bad for Jeff, you never know when you step on toes whos they are. The hobby has a lot of big people and a lot of people that will get big. Jeff's stepping on any toe he sees fit will turn around to hurt KS one day.

There is no motivation better then revenge and weather it's Jeff that motivates somebody to build a better site or whatever I think Jeff would have been better off just being fair and treating people with respect from the start. After all, you can only afford so many plasma TVs to buy your friends with:)
 
Ritchie - I did not mean for that to come across like it did. I apologize.

It looks like my thoughts on the links being removed from Bob Clark's site were not true. At least not yet. But I think what I was thinking of is inevitable, and I just felt that it had started already.

Based on what I have seen so far, some predictions are in order concerning Jeffie and his megalomania.

(1) Eventually all sites being a storefront on kingsnake.com will not be allowed to have links to other undesirable sites.

(2) Eventually any advertisers posting on this site, and others considered by Jeffie as being undesirable, will not be allowed to have commerical accounts on kingsnake.com.

(3) Eventually anyone advertising on those listed undesirable sites will not be allowed to advertise on kingsnake.com.

(4) Eventually your choices for participation in discussions and advertising will be (a) kingsnake.com, or (b) any other site, but not both.

(5) Eventually kingsnake.com will file lawsuits in an attempt to suppress competition as well as any open discussion concerning that site taking place on other sites.

It is only a matter of time for Jeffie to feel that he has the power to be able to enforce these dictates. He would do it today if he thought he could get away with it. I am certain his banning people and censoring sites without much of a public outcry (and believe me, what is posted here is only a tiny drop in a big bucket) is encouraging him along this pathway.

Here's another interesting angle. Is Jeffie trying to make inroads to being sponsor for the various reptile shows around the country? Why would he want to do that? Wouldn't it certainly be dandy for business if he had control over who could or could not participate in shows as well as have a thriving online business only through his approval? Talk about having a finger on the pulse of an entire industry! Plus the power to squeeze that pulse off.

Already on this thread I think I saw someone post that a business is only legitimate if it advertises on kingsnake.com. And who has the final say on who can do that? So in all practicallity, what this person is saying (sorry, I can't recall who made that quote), is that a business is only legitimate if Jeff Barringer approves of it.

Now isn't that just a dandy state of affairs?
 
jolly, I'm still waiting on the answers to my previous questins to you. You gonna answer up or what? Something to hide?

How is it that your prognostication is of such certainty that you post it here as "The Laws that Will Be?"

Why do you care so much about jeff and ks? What's YOUR motivation? Still trolling?

While your posts may have some merit, questionable at best at this point, they have nothing to back them up. Do you actually have any facts or do you just build up pressure until you spout and then hide until pressure builds up again?

I still think, as I have from long before I ever got a whiff of you, that ks is not the only avenue to sell or promote yourself on. I'm pretty sure I'm still living in America, unless So. Cal. secceeded in the recent past and I missed it, which means that even if he does all you say I am still free to do as I will. I can start my own site to compete with him or do shows to compete with him or just say NO.

So, once again, what's the deal with you and ks? Do you breed or even have any reptiles? If so, what? Do you sell any animals on ks? Were YOU banned by jeff or does the flavor of that toe in your mouth bother you?

By the way, just because someone else says something like a business is only legitimate if they advertise on ks does not make it true. You seem to talk out both ends with freely interchangability. I say it isn't so. Does that make me right and the other person wrong? Circular, isn't it.

How about something to back up this fishing expedition you're on? Or, are you perhaps another of the ks henchmen out trying to see what others think of jeff and ks by trolling and then taking those who respond and making their responces available to jeff and his staff? I see no white charger but I do smell a bait bucket everytime you post. (it means you're no knight in shining armor)

Facts? Got any? Hmmmmm?

Wes Pollock
 
Wes, I think my motivation is crystal clear to those with the brains to be able to figure it out.

Why don't you go out back and lift something heavy?
 
Boy, talk about clouds having a silver lining.

Someone whom JeffB must have REALLY pissed off just made me a very lucrative offer of my KINGSNAKES.COM domain name. I have to admit that I never really looked at it as anything of value, but the chuckle factor I got out of having it was just about priceless to me.

Maybe I'll put the name up for auction on ReptiBid ..... :toiletcla
 
Well jolly, like it says, I may not be very smart but, it seems to me that you have yet to answer a single question I've asked you. Go ahead and pretend for a moment that I am unable to, no doubt from the clarity of your written word which is also no doubt every bit as clear as your thinking process, make out just what your motivation is and say it real slow and plain for me. Do you think you could do that? Oh, and maybe answer a question or two that I've posed to you a time or two in the recent past.

And by the way, I'm always highly amused by people that can't get over the fact that I can lift heavy things. Are you, by chance short and bald? It does seem to happen with those guys a disproportionate amount of the time, them being envious of my abilities, so to speak, that is.

So, jolly, any facts THIS TIME?

Wes Pollock
 
Please note that this thread is NOT about the people posting in it unless those people are directly part and parcel tied to the original topic statement.

I have made statements before about people sniping at other people posting in threads, and I am ready to start slinging warning points to try to get you all (you all know who you are) to get this practice out of your systems once and for all.

How much clearer do I need to be about this?
 
Speaking of warning points...I fully understand where most of mine came from...long story...but why do I have warning points for inappropriate advertising...I make snakehooks...I placed some up for sale in the appropriate forum...I don't get it. I noticed the ad was removed but I didn't find the pm until yesterday. I don't frequent this site every day or even every week...did I step ont he toes of another snakehook maker person here? If so, sorry.

Oh...and so this post isn't totally off topic...Kingsnake.com is all a communist plot to control the hobby and to keep us all down. Bob Clark is a herp version of a puppy mill...I don't speak from jealousy. I have no desire to be communist nor do I desire to run a herp mill. And I may be totally wrong...just saying how I see things. As it stands, there is still no PROOF that savannah is a front for Miller. If she prooves out to be a front....well then that's just wrong. If she accepted help from Miller as far as connections and/or advice but that's as far as it went...so what? I see no foul there....just my thoughts as an unbiased outsider looking in.
 
Brett - part of your post was an very obvious plug for another website. That is inappropriate advertising. Read it again with an objective viewpoint. Although I have nothing at all against the website you mentioned (matter of fact I am running a banner ad for it now), I am trying to keep pretty strict controls over what is posted within the BOI.

I was VERY tempted to just delete those sections of text in your message, but I really do not want to get involved with editing someone else's words. I would rather delete an entire message than to do that, which obviously I have not done in your case.

The BOI is obviously a high traffic area, and MANY people would like to put in a plug for their site here. It is entirely welcome in the signature area, but within the text of messages, no, it is not appropriate.

Hope that explains my position sufficiently.

Addendum: No, I did not delete ANY posts you have made, so I have no idea what you are talking about in reference to snake hooks. The warning points were for inapproprite posting HERE in the BOI.
 
ks story

Hues1 said:
[
B]...and one of them being, that you must provide details and circumstances in your post whenever you make a statement or accusation.

I am not a breeder but I was a very active active member on many forums at KS. I maintain a great relationship with a few online breeders and suppliers.
One breeder in particular became a good friend and for an early holiday gift I decided to place an ad on his behalf on KS. I have NEVER placed an ad in my life but I have placed many many online orders --some that have gotten screwed up in a major way---one was in actual litigation. (although the tried and true are wonderful)
You place an ad on kingsnake (I was attempting to sponsor a forum for $107.75) and it takes paypal. I went through the process of paying and nothing happened after that, meaning no questions as to who the ad was for where it would go---just "give me the $ ". I believed it to be a rectifyable mistake, so I emailed the only address I had at the time JEFFB...it was a point and click on the paypal reciept so it was no error.
I got no response.
I then emailed someone within the website, and again, got no response.
Mind you the last time I patiently waited days for a response from each person on a different site, I almost got taken and that was how legal action came about---I did get my money but it took a while.
Bottom line was with no response again I emailed yet another link and finally someone directed me through the proper channels.
That is not the end of this very stupid story either.
When the SP Link was finally up, I I notice it looked like crap. It was up with 3 other links and did not look the way I wanted it to look and honestly was not even noticable the way it was done.
I then VERY nicely emailed KS to ask if it was possible to make it appear more like the other two they had done.
This was a gift, and neither I or the recipient was happy with the outcome.
No answer again.
I emailed more people with no answer.
I then emailed Jeff.
I got an answer...
I could go back and give you word for word because I saved all the emails...but he wrote something like:
"Done. In the future try writing ONE email to ONE person my staff is overworked blahblah blah"....again if anyone wants direct quotes I will provide them. He also lied and claimed I never email him.
I wote back as nicely as possible---that if ANY of the staff reccieved an email and was in the process of fixing a problem the proper response would be " We recieved your request, and will look into it" or something ---ANYTHING. But not one person ---well ok---one person--the same person that helped te first time emailed me back but that was after Jeff.
Jeff emailed another nasty pathetic email and at this point I realized I was not dealing with a good buisness man OR an experienced buisness owner. Like I mentioned previously, I deal with online people at least 2 times a month for purchases---and that's not counting any social emails exchanged.
Being I had seen who I was delaing with (never argue with a very large baby with a bit of power)--I said "Listen we disgree---period. I think we should stop here, and carry on---
have yourself a great week, I am off to catch a plane" making a mental note never to deal with KS again.
As I am getting ready to sign off and jump into a cab---he emails me saying my ad is pulled and he will refund my money in a few days. (whic I am still waiting for)
Period end of story. That's after I already "suprised" my friend with an ad and after I attempted to calm down and treat Jeff like the retart that he obviously is....you know talk slow and don;t teash the monkey type thing.
Someone tell me---my father was a CEO before he passed away...my husband is the president of 2 corps...niether has the time to argue with clients. And neither would agree that that is good buisness.
But then again they have been in it alot longer and realize things that Jeffster does not---yet.
I know I am not a great source of buisness for him on the surface---but I am LOYAL to my sources and YES I was the moron with the KS bumber sticker on my brand new car....I removed it today. And even though I am not banned I am boycotting, because quiet reading is points in the napolian's wallet/
Anyone know what the cost to advertise in Reptiles mag BTW?
I still owe a gift to my friend.

Thanks
N R

"Tryng to save someone from thier own stupidity is like trying to teach a pig to how to dance---it wastes your time and annoys the pig"
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How can I read it again if you deleted it? :) The only ad I have ever placed here was for my hooks...it is gone. So I could only assume that's the thread I got the warning for for "inappropriate advertising" As far as mentioning another site, I guess it's only ok to mention one that I don't like? I wasn't aware of this...I'll try to be a good boy from now on...I'm learning. :)
 
"I never joined KS anyway because I hate the layout of the forums and before I ever had time to get familiar with the clutter there..I found a much better site...it was new but growing and I stuck with it and now it has over 4000 members. Because we offer free classifieds, Jeff banned any mention of Redtailboa.net on KS too...woopie who cares...we are still alive and well."

Bret

I believe the Webslave is referring to this portion of a post you made earlier in this thread. Not an ad you had posted. It does plus you site rather unabashedly.
 
Yep, John is correct. The warning points were in regards to a reply earlier in this thread, and not a classified post.
 
Let me ammend/clarify my earlier reply. I would be more inclined to believe that it was the portion of the reply that John did not quote (the closing statement of that particular reply) that resulted in warning points. Then again, it may have been the totality of the opening and closing statements.
 
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