LLL Reptile - Unhappy

[leonochal]

LLL is responsible but i will say this, it is a good company. At least the guy emailed you back several times with some care for his customers.

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

I have no other experience from LLL but this single transaction. Some points I wanted to note with this thread

- I am not interested in a refund/exchange.

- I was very concerned about them saying that it would be ok to feed unknown larva to my leos (which we now know are maggots)...when they didn't know 100%...

- I was very concerned with their automatic denial of their supplier being infested with fly eggs/maggots...when they didn't know 100%...

- I was very concerned with the fact that they recommended that I keep the maggots...Which would then morph into flies...Which would then infest my collection further...

Thank you to all who have contributed thus far!

 

[Borewyrm]

Got to be honest.... this thread is a dead horse. There is a side that thinks that this complaint is trite. There is a side that thinks its poor service. But regardless it has been posted here. And since you don't seem to be seeking a refund then I suppose it just falls to each individual to decide where they stand, as there is no clear-cut answer. My personal opinion, I wouldn't have posted in the BOI, I would have just picked out the waxies and repacked them. I would most likely do business with LLL again, unless other issues popped up. But this is just my opinion and would be able to understand a change of vendors.

 

[Luis]

could a fly have gotten into it and laid eggs? I myself think maggots are great for lizard food. take a razor blade or scissor and snip their little jaws off than feed them to your lizards.

 

[montezuma]

could a fly have gotten into it and laid eggs? I myself think maggots are great for lizard food. take a razor blade or scissor and snip their little jaws off than feed them to your lizards.

Where are you from that you get maggots big enough to tell what is their jaw?

 

[Dennis Hultman]

could a fly have gotten into it and laid eggs? I myself think maggots are great for lizard food. take a razor blade or scissor and snip their little jaws off than feed them to your lizards.

Now that is pretty funny and although I can see why you would not want to, you still must post your full name when posting on the BOI.

 

[Junkyard]

Though I have other issues with LLL I will not go there. I have seen maggots in waxworms on many occasions, maybe because of where I get them from. I feed them off to my lizards just the same as the waxies. I have even noticed that Superworms turn into stink bugs, as gross as that is, my legless lizard still loves the superworms so I not going to stop buying them just because of what they grow to be. I would only say feed them off first to keep them from changing too fast and then move onto the waxies. I say if you are going to complain about LLL, at least make the complaint about there reptiles. Then I may want to explain my dealings with them. By the way, they seem to be in denial about there problems on many occasions.

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

Michael, I have no experience with their reptiles, sorry. I can only share my experience with this one transaction. It is fine that you find it ok to receive infested feeders. I disagree. I did not order them with maggots, thus I should not have received them as such. It has come to that this issue came from either the supplier having an infestation or eggs were laid by breeding flies via shipment. None of us will ever know 100% though. LLL denies their supplier having an infestation. So I guess we must assume that the problem started via shipment.

Thank you for your contribution!

 

[Mickey_TLK]

Arent wax worms technicaly moth maggots if you really think about it.

Im sorry I just dont see a boi post here.

 

[Dennis1]

Arent wax worms technicaly moth maggots if you really think about it.

Im sorry I just dont see a boi post here.

But she didnt order fly maggots,She ordered wax worms

Thats like ordering a snake from them and it coming with mites!!!
And i think we all know thats wrong

LLL should call their supplier and DEMAND they get rid of those flies and APOLOGIZE profusly after giving a refund!!!

 

[montezuma]

But she didnt order fly maggots,She ordered wax worms

Thats like ordering a snake from them and it coming with mites!!!
And i think we all know thats wrong

LLL should call their supplier and DEMAND they get rid of those flies and APOLOGIZE profusly after giving a refund!!!

Common man, she had the order for a week.

 

[montezuma]

"Come on" is what I meant to type.... fingers have a mind of their own!

 

[Dennis1]

I am not trying to pick a fight with LLL

I just think she has a legitament (spelling sux) Claim which may not be as bad as some involving more money but it is the point of the matter
And beleive that she has a right to voice her dissatisfaction(im not sure but i probably spelled that wrong too)with a company that she feels has wronged her, Without being chastised about it

Wax worms+fly larva =wrong unless i order it that way

Fact is those flies DO carry diseases
So I would not feed their young to any of my reptiles[.]

Im sorry if i come of harsh,Buti have a personal vendetta against those @#$ @#$% Flies

 

[Jim O]

Fact is those flies DO carry diseases

Dennis,

I am not doubting you but I am curious as to what diseases you believe they carry and do you have references to support that they transmit such diseases to mammals or reptiles? The reason that I ask is I am unaware of this being the case and really and concerned as I live in "fly country".

 

[Dennis1]

Dennis,

I am not doubting you but I am curious as to what diseases you believe they carry and do you have references to support that they transmit such diseases to mammals or reptiles? The reason that I ask is I am unaware of this being the case and really and concerned as I live in "fly country".

All i can say Jim is run and hide...lol
I am no bug expert Far from it I hate em all (Does that make me a Buggist)
Flies are well known to carry all sorts of things From Strep(Im not even going to try and mispell this one) And Staph to E.Coli and beleive it or not Pink Eye
I just learned that one
Im you are interested just Google "Flies and Diseases"
Im sure you will find alot of information you would be better off not knowing

 

[Mickey_TLK]

"But she didnt order fly maggots,She ordered wax worms

Thats like ordering a snake from them and it coming with mites!!!
And i think we all know thats wrong

LLL should call their supplier and DEMAND they get rid of those flies and APOLOGIZE profusly after giving a refund!!! "

Dennis I understand she didnt order fly maggots, I was just makeing a bit of humor out of what in MY OPINION is a waste of all our time.

Anyone who has every been around anything that has died (like say a wax worm) know that if left at optimum temps and exposed to the chance, maggots will appear. Did the wax worms arrive with a cup of dead worms with maggots and LLL refused to refund? Nope didnt sound like that to me. Sounds like user error and plain on "poo" happening to me. Im not sticking up for LLL Im just saying it seems to be a pretty big waste of a thread to me.

 

[Jim O]

All i can say Jim is run and hide...lol
I am no bug expert Far from it I hate em all (Does that make me a Buggist)
Flies are well known to carry all sorts of things From Strep(Im not even going to try and mispell this one) And Staph to E.Coli and beleive it or not Pink Eye
I just learned that one
Im you are interested just Google "Flies and Diseases"
Im sure you will find alot of information you would be better off not knowing

They may have all of those things on their bodies but guess what? So do you. So do waxworms. See, you are talking to a medical doctor and I am interested in facts, not supposition. What you have posted is supposition or anecdote and when I asked you to support it you answered "just Google" it. So now I will challenge you and say you are wrong. Those fly larvae that are in the SAME media as the waxworms have the same common flora on them. I'm not talking about larvae that you pick off a pile of poo in your yard. And even then, I doubt that you will find a case in the scientific literature where serious human disease in otherwise healthy individuals is caused by a non-biting insect.

Your reaction is an emotional one, as was the reaction of the starter of this thread. She had those waxies for a week. If I were LLL I would not have issued a refund. Especially where she left them out by her own admission.

 

[TylerStewart]

I agree, she had them for a week... If they got infested at the supplier, there would have been more of a problem than a single order of worms. It's also hard to believe that they were infested during shipping... Think about it. They're packed in a box, in packing materials (newspaper or otherwise) inside a cup with nothing but microscopic sized pinholes in the top. It would take a very determined, tiny, pregnant fly to get in there and infest the cup if it happened during shipping.

 

[Dennis1]

LOL so i took the bait Lucky Me
If i am wrong I will admit it!, But i thought she posted that she left them out for less than a day and found maggots in the container sounds like they had the eggs in the cup to me
Maybe a fly came in and droped some eggs when she was feeding her lizards a day or so before and they incubated in her fridge?
However I had a similar incedent and These flies were NOT like any house or fruit fly that i have come across They are fast And when i say fast i mean fast in every way the fly fast they breed fast in a week i lost a few fruit fly cultures and a few newly hatched Lizards(they climbed inside the yolk sac of the babies and one of the babies bit out its own stomach)
and i Know they came from either the wax worms or the mealies i bought at the pet store
So i beleive her

They may have all of those things on their bodies but guess what? So do you. So do waxworms. See, you are talking to a medical doctor and I am interested in facts, not supposition. What you have posted is supposition or anecdote and when I asked you to support it you answered "just Google" it. So now I will challenge you and say you are wrong.. .

Ok i am kinda confused i thought you were asking for information and where to get it, I didnt know i was being baited(i Cant read between the lines very well)

Dennis,

I am not doubting you but I am curious as to what diseases you believe they carry and do you have references to support that they transmit such diseases to mammals or reptiles? The reason that I ask is I am unaware of this being the case and really and concerned as I live in "fly country".

I thought it was common knowledge that flies carry diseases(I cant remember where exactly that i learned that or where i learned that smoking is bad for you)
And my only frame of referance at hand was google

Those fly larvae that are in the SAME media as the waxworms have the same common flora on them. I'm not talking about larvae that you pick off a pile of poo in your yard. And even then, I doubt that you will find a case in the scientific literature where serious human disease in otherwise healthy individuals is caused by a non-biting insect.

Like i said I am by far a bug expert, I am not even a M.D.
But I will stick to my guns untill proven otherwise that I WHOLE HEARTILY BELEIVE FLIES CARRY DISEASE just as i beleive smoking is bad for you even if i have no documentatoin to prove otherwise other than GOOGLE

Your reaction is an emotional one, as was the reaction of the starter of this thread. She had those waxies for a week. If I were LLL I would not have issued a refund. Especially where she left them out by her own admission.

Maybe you're right i may have been emotional in my posts, Partly because of the flies and partly becase i perceived her as being chastised
BTW since you are a docter could you please look up"Onchocerciasis" in one of your medical journals for me and post it here?

 

[critical bill]

But she didnt order fly maggots,She ordered wax worms

Thats like ordering a snake from them and it coming with mites!!!
And i think we all know thats wrong

LLL should call their supplier and DEMAND they get rid of those flies and APOLOGIZE profusly after giving a refund!!!

Ha ha! Silly! It not like getting mites with your snakes. Its like getting a snake and her litter of young. Some would say thats Christmas come early.

Demand an apology...BWAHAHAHAHAHA.

Denise....youre a riot.