Luis Taracena (herphobbiest) bad deal

[Junkyard]

The Ball Pythons were to be ship after the results of the necropsy came in. This is what was agree upon by Matthew and I.

NO, the agreement was for you to ship the ball pythons LONG ago. You were to ship when you received the boa, you did receive it and never shipped the snakes.

Do you get it now? Huh? How many times are you going to dance around the bush and hide from the fact that you did not uphold you end of the deal when you were supposed to?

If I feed it an un-healthy rat would not you think maybe other snakes in my collection would have health issues? I have been using the same rat supplier since 2001. So out of all the Rats I have ever bought from this company there is only one with Salmonella and came to kill Matt's flawless Albino. Is that what you are saying? Is that what you can see happening?

I do not know, but it can happen. I personally have seen one sick rat out of a group. So in answer to your question: Yes, I can see that happening. I personally have had that happen, one sick mouse out of a dozen killed one snake I owned. It happened one day after feeding it too. I got rid of all the other mice I bought at the same time. I was lucky, it was only one mouse and not many. But this thread is not about me, is it?

If I am a self proclaim Vet why would I paid for a Vet Service??? Really

You apparently know why your other snakes died. So I was only responding to how you treated your last dead snakes when they were sick. It just happens, it is a part of life.

See what I mean? Please go back and re-read post #54 ...Read it a few times maybe you will get it!!! I was going to say something , but if you do not have the secuence of events by now you never will.

You are telling me that with all the moving around you put the snake through tnhat you did not add any stress? You are only willing to blame the plane ride for the stress, but not all the changes you put the snake through.

The only one I have to prove anything to is Matthew, Period. You guys are just expetators of this deal. I have nothing to prove to you. Nothing!

So why did you not do anything about this ordeal until after it was posted here? You allowed this to become a public problem. You do not have to prove anything to me, yet you have not proved that you are an upstanding person to Matt, or Rick for that matter. Just think, whenever someone looks you up for information about your business ethics, they are going to read this thread. Keep dodging the bullet.

I would agree with you there... However, I have enough happy costumers to make up. References I got them!!! And healthy snakes that dont die is what I sell. If it's not good enough for me to keep I will not sell it.

In your own words "Hmmm.... Whatever!!!"

Maybe I can not control an RI when a snake is to travel 400 miles in a car from Arizona to Texas.... But you know what..... I CAN BREED THEM!!!

Let us ask Rick. Rick, did you notice the RI after you got home, or when you first picked up Aurora?

If he noticed the RI when he picked her, it happened while she was in your care. If he did not notice the RI until he got home, it is still suspected that she received it while in your care.

Yes you can breed them, though you had to breach a contract, didn't you?

Please forgive me for having financial hardship... Please forgive me for getting 2 jobs and working 68 hours a week so I can repay my debt...

Here is a thought. Do not buy something if you do not have the money for it. If it is a trade, do not do it if you do not have the money to ship it. Easy to follow, great advice, hmm, take a hint.

Hmmmm.... Whatever!!!

Exactly, this is how you have handled this situation.

Matthew posted here because he thought that after the Albino Die I was not going to hold on to my end of the deal... I was busy working and it took me a while to get the dead Albino to have a necropsy done.

What are you talking about? Matt was kind enough to let you get a necropsy done first, yet to continued to procrastinate until he posted about it here. When in reality you should have sent Matt the snakes a long time ago.

Now the necropsy is done, The Balls are going to Matthew. The thought of screwing Matt never even cross my mind... So let me ask you... What's your problem?

The ball pythons should have been sent when you first received the boa!!!!
That is a double edge sword of a question. If I were to answer that Rich might ban me. I would rather not have that happen. Though since you are willing to handle this situation while you are here and your name is out for all to see, you have allowed this to be every poster(who is willing to get involved) here's problem. You have allowed us to act as jurors. This is a problem that is occuring in our hobby/industry. There are people out there that scam others on purpose, there are those who do it because they do not care. You have acted in the same way, told the same excuses that are all over the BOI. You have acted just as past scammers have. It is time to save face and accepted that you messed up. Own up to what you have done wrong, be a man.

I have two more questions for you:

Why did you let this happen?

Why did you not resolve this in a timely manner?

 

[HerpHobbiest]

NO, the agreement was for you to ship the ball pythons LONG ago. You were to ship when you received the boa, you did receive it and never shipped the snakes.

Originally yes! Then, I explain to Matt why I could not ship right away. After the Albino Boa die, the new agreement was to ship The Ball Pythons after the results of the necropsy came in.

I do not know, but it can happen.

Yes and we could get hit by lighting or hit by a metiorite off the sky too!!!

This kinds of stuff does happen to some people!!!

You apparently know why your other snakes died. So I was only responding to how you treated your last dead snakes when they were sick. It just happens, it is a part of life.

Hold a rat under water for 5 minutes. If you can guess it drown ....Then you must be a Vet oh and psychic too. Wow!!!

You are telling me that with all the moving around you put the snake through tnhat you did not add any stress? You are only willing to blame the plane ride for the stress, but not all the changes you put the snake through.

So the Albino gets shipped in, I house him alone in a cage for nearly 1 month I house him with my male Salmon Hypo Het Sunglow and my female Pastel Het Albino for 4 days. I placed him back in his cage feed him and he died 10 days later.

Maybe my female Pastel must have been way to sexy for him. Or maybe he got spooked by the frozen rat.

Sure this could be stressfull!!! But I think that if he was really healthy he would have survive more than a couple frozen - thaw rats.

So why did you not do anything about this ordeal until after it was posted here? You allowed this to become a public problem. You do not have to prove anything to me, yet you have not proved that you are an upstanding person to Matt, or Rick for that matter.

Acctually Michael, if you have re-read post #54 you would know the answer to that. I posted this long ago. Read it a few more times... come on!!! The snakes are with a Mediator already. I talk to Richard Carew long before he decided he wanted to do this Mediator thing. Read posts #56 #62 and #65

Let us ask Rick. Rick, did you notice the RI after you got home, or when you first picked up Aurora?

You are obviosly not paying any attention are you??? The answer has already been posted

Yes you can breed them, though you had to breach a contract, didn't you?
[Michael Shelton]

You are stuck on your own little story arent you? No wonder why you just can not seem to get it.... It was agree to switch the male. At that point the Salmon Hypo Het Sunglow was removed from her cage. And the Albino male stay in there. Richard has acknowledge this already. He even posted instant messages of our discusion on the matter.

Here is a thought. Do not buy something if you do not have the money for it. If it is a trade, do not do it if you do not have the money to ship it.

Well what do you do when a $2,750.00 sale falls through?

Matt was kind enough to let you get a necropsy done first, yet to continued to procrastinate until he posted about it here.

Ok, Take away Monday through Saturday from 5AM until 7PM. Now find out where to do a necropsy in say Oklahoma. Yeah try calling a few Vets and get them to return your phone calls with some relevant info. Then figure out how to take the specimen 65 miles from your house or 130 miles from your work. Do it during business hours.

I know it took me a while. I guess I did procrastinate on that.

Though since you are willing to handle this situation while you are here and your name is out for all to see, you have allowed this to be every poster(who is willing to get involved) here's problem. You have allowed us to act as jurors.

Believe me when I said you are no jurors. you are just an opinionated observer. Where is Neil? He has not posted in a while...

I have two more questions for you:

Why did you let this happen?

Why did you not resolve this in a timely manner?

First, lack of money to make all ends meet. When you have children you have to make priorities. And I do not like falling behind on my payments either.

Second, Once I started working 2 jobs I did not had time to do much of anything else. Working 6 days a week, 12 hour days with a 45 minute to a 1 hour commute each way. Why else do you think it took me over two weeks to drop off the snake after I found out where the necropsy was getting done.
Now that I have caught up on my bills, I am working 1 job 36 to 48 hours a week.

Luis.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

Originally yes! Then, I explain to Matt why I could not ship right away.

But as evident in this thread you mislead on that point until Matt was made aware on this thread.

First, lack of money to make all ends meet. When you have children you have to make priorities. And I do not like falling behind on my payments either.

You agreed to the deal when you were unemployed. Nobody’s fault but your own.

From : Luis Taracena <[email protected]>
Sent : Monday, January 9, 2006 9:15 AM
Okay, how does shipping tomorrow for a Wednesday morning delivery work for you?

When the time came, I shipped first because I had suggested the trade offer. I shipped my half of the trade on January 10, 2006 for delivery on January 11. Luis was supposed to ship his half the following week, but called me on Sunday, January 15 and said that he had a problem. He said that he lost his job and didn't have the money to ship them. He promised me that he would have it within two weeks.

Greg Riso has already confirm that I lost my Job since before Thanksgiving...

If you were out of a job in November 05, Why are you using it has an excuse after you made a deal in January of 06?

I would agree with you there... However, I have enough happy costumers to make up. References I got them!!! And healthy snakes that dont die is what I sell. If it's not good enough for me to keep I will not sell it.

Luis,
With all respect or lack of it, How many untruths have you told to date on this thread? What will your customers think of you now? I for one would like to know how anyone could support you in the future in this hobby.
I would like to see one customer come here and say they would buy anything from you in the future.
You are only as good as your word here and with the proven deception you have had on this board from day one your word is meaningless. How can any of your customers trust your word again?

Maybe I can not control an RI when a snake is to travel 400 miles in a car from Arizona to Texas.... But you know what..... I CAN BREED THEM!!!

Because you can doesn’t mean you in particular should.

Please forgive me for having financial hardship... Please forgive me for getting 2 jobs and working 68 hours a week so I can repay my debt...

Have a nice night. Luis.

Not big on sympathy ploys, So where are you supposedly working this time?

Shall we move on to the next story you have told on this thread?

I said no problem, things happen. He also said that he would go ahead and mail me the paperwork on the ball pythons so I would at least have that. Well, nothing ever showed up, so I emailed him on Feb. 6 asking where the paperwork was and if he was ready to ship yet.

From : Luis Taracena <[email protected]>
Sent : Tuesday, February 21, 2006 10:44 PM
To : Matthew Crabe <[email protected]>
Subject : Re: Message about: 1.1 SUBADULT HET ALBINO BALLS - Easy Payment Plan

You should have got the paperwork by now.

Oh Richard also has the Paperwork on the Snakes. And like I offered, an insulated shipping Box.

The paperwork was never mailed! You were dishonest once again. Plain and simple!

I feel that since I started posting I have been open and Honest to anyones questions on this deal.

I work and everything gets documented in a computer. I should not be playing on-line. However I am wating on equipment to process its 45 minute cycle.

Yet another proven lie told on this thread.

No need to apologize for calling me a SCAMMER, LIAR and a THIEF!!.

Your proven on the liar part and almost proven on the “thief” part with Rick’s account of how things went down when he picked up Aurora. After all he has never given anyone here reason to doubt his word. You can't say the same.
So, when we see statements like

Richard, The papers were on the mail Wendsday. They were not here today so maybe tomorrow... Then I will Fax Them to James L. Jarchow, D.V.M.

Really, What meaning should anyone give to that statement? Until the report is posted, it’s the same as Matt’s paperwork is still in the mail and he should be receiving them any day now.

 

[HerpHobbiest]

But as evident in this thread you mislead on that point until Matt was made aware on this thread.

You are wrong there! The reason why Matt came here to post this thread, is because he understud I had taken the snake to a Vet to do the necropsy. When what I had done was contact the Vet by phone to see if he could do the necropsy. As it turns out the Vet I cotact could not do it.

Then I had to contact other Vets. and they did not wanted to do it. But they told me who would. The Arizona Veterinary Diagnostic Laboratory from the University of Arizona down in Tucson, AZ. That is where the snake went. They are the once mailing the results.

You agreed to the deal when you were unemployed. Nobody’s fault but your own. If you were out of a job in November 05, Why are you using it has an excuse after you made a deal in January of 06?

Because even that I was not working for someone else I had income coming in. I had unemployment benefits... I cash on my 401K... And I sold several snakes that I could live with out having. I went from making about $50,000. a year to making $210. a week. Yeah it was my fault. I should never had been subpoena to be a witness I would still have my old job.

Because you can doesn’t mean you in particular should.

A lot of people that have reptiles should not have them either. But who is the one to say who does what???

Not big on sympathy ploys, So where are you supposedly working this time?

I am working full time for Discount Tire

And almost proven on the “thief” part with Rick’s account of how things went down when he picked up Aurora. After all he has never given anyone here reason to doubt his word. You can't say the same.

We all know why... We all know the reason... What was the reason why I did not agree for Richard to take Aurora back to Texas 2 weeks before she deliver?

 

[HerpHobbiest]

If I am going to have to answer the same questions to everyone here 10 times... This is really going to take a long time.

 

[Bill_Leverton]

OK let me try and sort through the Dung here.....Matt sent a snake to you in trade YES????? You were suppose to ship the Balls Yes?????? You lost your Job Yes ?????? So didn't ship Yes ????? You waited 6 weeks and the snake Died Yes ????? OK now the Question if you were getting $210 a week from unemployment why didn't you just take $50 and ship after you received Matt's snake?????? I think that you have fabricated so many stories that you are beginning to believe your own lies and Please don't hand out that you had to feed your family I'm sure your family would of survived on mac & Cheese and hot dogs or spaghetti or any cheap type of groceries for one week

 

[Dennis Hultman]

But who is the one to say who does what???

It’s the reader viewing this thread that will determine that issue for you.

 

[crotalusadamanteus]

This is just getting rediculous.

Luis, You Told Matt in your email on the first page of this thread,

You should have got the paperwork by now... I will check my PO Box to see if it has comeback too me or something.

Feel free to call me anytime after 6:30PM Arizona time. Regards, Luis Taracena

I'll say it plainly. This is just a bald face LIE. You gave Me the paperwork when I came for Aurora. How could you have done that if the papers were in the mail on their way to Matt? Must have been a postal error, right?

Than you state that You "recently lost Your job and couldn't ship". Now I ask You.......I've known you since last April and you were not working then, and seemed disinclined to start working again till your unemployment ran out. You have not mentioned a job by mail, email, IM, or phone call to Me till the last couple months, so I ask, which job did you lose around the time these ball pythons were to be shipped? Were You lying to Matt? Or were You lying to Me? Or did you concider unemplyment a job?

Like I have said. You have blatantly lied in this thread, and more than once. You have been called repetedly on it, and you continue to deny it. Do You really think You are that smart? Or that We are that dumb?

You need to grow up Luis. For every action, there is an equal, yet opposite REaction. You are merely reaping what you have sown, just deal with it. Quit trying to displace the blame in this situation. You are just making it worse on Yourself.


Rick

 

[High End Herps Inc]

This is just getting rediculous.

Luis, You Told Matt in your email on the first page of this thread,



I'll say it plainly. This is just a bald face LIE. You gave Me the paperwork when I came for Aurora. How could you have done that if the papers were in the mail on their way to Matt? Must have been a postal error, right?

Than you state that You "recently lost Your job and couldn't ship". Now I ask You.......I've known you since last April and you were not working then, and seemed disinclined to start working again till your unemployment ran out. You have not mentioned a job by mail, email, IM, or phone call to Me till the last couple months, so I ask, which job did you lose around the time these ball pythons were to be shipped? Were You lying to Matt? Or were You lying to Me? Or did you concider unemplyment a job?

Like I have said. You have blatantly lied in this thread, and more than once. You have been called repetedly on it, and you continue to deny it. Do You really think You are that smart? Or that We are that dumb?

You need to grow up Luis. For every action, there is an equal, yet opposite REaction. You are merely reaping what you have sown, just deal with it. Quit trying to displace the blame in this situation. You are just making it worse on Yourself.


Rick

You are absolutely right. But you will never get him to see it. To every habitual criminal, to every compulsive liar, they themselves are never in the wrong, they are never the bad guy. It is the rest of the world that is wrong and they are right. And no amount of telling him what is what can change that pathetic fact. Luis will leave this event, this thread, and will forget all about it and do the exact same thing to some other, trusting, unsuspecting honest herper/upstart breeder. He will have learned nothing from any of this. He will not get that he compromised his credibility or his integrity. Nothing anyone has said will change him or his ways. Pointing out facts concerning his deception and wrongdoings will be entirely lost on him. It's just the way it is. The way he is. So why bother? Just ship Matt his balls and let's all hope they are actually het albino and let's be done with this ridiculous thread. To try to teach Luis the error of his ways is to beat a dead horse to run.
Tawni Beauchemin

 

[Junkyard]

Three words for you Luis. 1) Excuses 2) EXCUSES, 3) EXCUSES

 

[liquidleaf]

Lauren,

I do not think you do not posses the knowledge for the issue at hand.

I will pay for a well respected Veterinarian with extensive Reptile Knowledge be the judge. This Vet is no friend of mine. I will pay for his services.

Why is this so difficult for you all to understand?

I honestly do not care about you guys best guess and/or personal opinions.

My deal here is with Matthew and Matthew alone.

In Regards to Richard, He already decided that he does not want to be the mediator anymore and he is going to ship the Ball Pythons to Matthew. Even that we have not seen the Necropsy report much less any interpretation if needed from James L. Jarchow, D.V.M. And that is Fine with me. Richard did not had to do any of this.

Luis T.

Luis - that's nice that you can judge my skills and expertise knowing nothing more than my name and what my signature line says... But I never claimed to be a vet. I'll use one of your lines - why is it so difficult for you to understand that there are MANY herpetological experts (not that I am one, I just keep snakes and learn all I can) who frequent this forum, and some of those experts are vets. Others are breeders who have kept boas for decades, written books about the care of boas, etc. and probably would have valuable insight in regard to the necropsy.

If a snake died in my care and I wasn't sure why, I'd want as much input as possible from as many knowledgable people so that something similar wouldn't happen again, but that's me.

I understand why YOU want to get a vet explanation of the report, to explain to YOU what it means. However, even between vets, I'm sure there can be different INTERPRETATIONS for some necropsies. Professionals within a field commonly disagree. I'm interested in what the vet's interpretation is, as well as what the actual report looks like, sure hope BOTH get posted here so everyone can see what the real issues were.

It's like an accident report in a lawsuit - one lawyer will argue that one person is at fault, another lawyer will try to show from the accident report that another person is at fault - many interpretations possible from one document of facts.

I'm glad Rick will be shipping the ball pythons to Matt, and that Matt will be responsible for deciding whether to send the snakes back to you or not depending on the results. Being a mediator in a messy situation isn't an enviable position.

 

[SableLynx]

Mho

Hmmm after spending 4 hours reading through this entire post am I to be deprived of the end result? Did I miss the necropsy report?

Oh and having never delt with either of you, Here is MHO after reading all the posts(Well I did skim over the last page)... DumDeDeDum (Drumroll ) Matt Luis You lose, your a Bad Guy, and dishonest too.

 

[autotunz]

Where are the results?

Luis should have had the results for a few days now. The necropsy was supposedly mailed on Wednesday and it's only 35 miles from Tucson to Arizona City so he would have received it Thursday or Friday at the latest.

 

[autotunz]

Oops, sorry...

Forgot to include my name!

Tim Beason
Chandler, AZ

 

[liquidleaf]

Yeah, the longer the delay, the more it looks like the necropsy didn't go the way Luis hoped.

 

[Tsutton5]

????????

LIES>>>>>LIES>>>>>>LIES
luis should just
and hide maybe even change his name because no one in thier RIGHT SHOULD EVER TRUST HIM

 

[Bill_Leverton]

Stop ....you people are missing the point here, Luis is so full of him self that he actually believes his own and Luis you said some thing above about everybody here being a bunch of Dr Dolittles ......well one of my lady friends is a vet and her name is Claire Berian, DVM
Ithaca Veterinary Housecall
102 Homestead Ter
Ithaca, NY 14850
Tel: (607) 277-9037
so if you want to send your info my way here is where to to send ....but Like Rick said in another thread after Freezing we aren't going to find jack...... But if your vet is some super vet or speaks in tongues send that info my way and lets be done with the spreading of Dung.

 

[crotalusadamanteus]

My reptile vet just referred Me to another one for culture testing of one of the babies that passed on, and She pretty much told Me that I would be wasting My money. Mine wasn't frozen. It was refridgerated, and only for 2 1/2 days.
This was just yesterday also. And I don't think My normal Herp vet would refer Me to another for a specific thing, unless She really knows what she was doing.

Rick

 

[crotalusadamanteus]

And I see you reading Luis, are you going to post those results?

Rick

 

[ericfire]

wow

that is the longest thread i have ever seen

talk about drama ,i think if it were me the law might have been involved after a month of bull hoky from luis .

it is pretty clear to alot of us that we wont be trading ,buying, talking or even farting in luis's general direction concerning anything to do with integrity .

hey Luis
maybe you need to find a political job since you're so full of poop
but thats just me
Eric