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Mark Miller (loco-lizards) - Bad Guy !

Just a little clarification on the wire issue...

...If the wire were initiated at 3 PM on Friday as Mark stated, it is conceivable that it would not have been processed as Friday's work, In that case, the actual wire would have gone out on the next business day which is today.

Also, given that it was initiated from a credit union (they are usually fairly small institutions) the wire would probably be sent through a corrspondant bank which could add a day or so to the process.

tag on a day for international and....

....conceivably this could mean the wire might not arrive till Thursday or even Friday.

Please don't take this as even marginal defense of Mark. He is 100% wrong in this situation and will have to live with the damage to his reputation. Given what has gone before, if I were Tony I would definitely be sweating it.

By the way, before anyone asks, I am a senior officer at a national bank. I did not pull the information above out of my a$$
 
John, in all my time posting here, I have never read a post from you where you were talking out of the wazoo, thanks for the information.It still doesn't clear Mark, but the info is nice to know.
 
That may all be so but....it would likely be the same in both directions then. How long did Tony's wires take to get into Mark's account?
 
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I called the bank several times today in order to assure that the money had been transfered like I had requested on Friday, the day i had came in and set up the wire transfer. I asked for a confirmation number or some sort of receipt for the deal so I could show Tony proof I had sent it. The only thing she could offer was that it had gone through and that it might take up to 3 days from this morning when it was keyed into the computer around 930 AM from what I was told. It was going to go first to a US Central Bank then to New York, then on to Canada, and then on to another corresponding bank with Tony's bank. She did give me a copy of the request form sending the money from my account to his, and it is clearly dated Friday the 27th, the day that Di, or Diane as she was spoken of before, had taken down the information for the transfer.

The Actual Account numbers have been blacked out to protect that information.

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Good question Jim. I still have my doubts about the attempt being made on Friday to send the money , even though John shows that it is possible that it could take 7 days. Hopefully the paper trail shows all of the dates. I may be wrong about whether on not he tried on Friday, but I hope nobody tries to serve up the old metaphorical crow. Whether he sent today, or Friday, or last year ...it still wont arrive for 2 weeks after the time Mark said he ws trying to get it there, May 16th wasn't it?
 
I recieved my wires from Tony in 2-3 days time as well, it was not an immediate transfer like he made it seem.
 
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I called the bank several times today in order to assure that the money had been transfered like I had requested on Friday, the day i had came in and set up the wire transfer. I asked for a confirmation number or some sort of receipt for the deal so I could show Tony proof I had sent it. The only thing she could offer was that it had gone through and that it might take up to 3 days from this morning when it was keyed into the computer around 930 AM from what I was told. It was going to go first to a US Central Bank then to New York, then on to Canada, and then on to another corresponding bank with Tony's bank. She did give me a copy of the request form sending the money from my account to his, and it is clearly dated Friday the 27th, the day that Di, or Diane as she was spoken of before, had taken down the information for the transfer.

The Actual Account numbers have been blacked out to protect that information.

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Guys

The other aspects of the transaction aside, the doc scanned above is pretty strong evidence that the wire has been initiated.

Tony, I think you can begin to breathe a little easier
 
I recieved my wires from Tony in 2-3 days time as well, it was not an immediate transfer like he made it seem.
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"...as well..." As well as what? Three days from today is Friday.Friday to Friday is 7 days.
 
I agree that Tony can get some sleep tonight knowing that the money is on its way.
Mark, I hope you have learned not to promise the stars man.Seems like everytime you try to do anything out of the ordinary, it backfires. Stick to the basics. You will never hear a doctor say "Ma'am I promise your husband will come out of this surgery fine".
Just don't promise things when there are variables like holidays, bank hours, business days, CITES misshaps. This business is full of variables, stick to trying to go above and beyond, but you can't make time guarantees.If you make them, you are bound to them.
 
Fair enough, Mark. What took so long to post this? You must have had this for several hours.

On another note...Tony...what is your last name? Seems like the wire instructions have a different last name. Have you been using a phony name all of this time? You are aware of the BOI rules regarding using a full name, are you not?
 

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"...as well..." As well as what? Three days from today is Friday.Friday to Friday is 7 days.
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I'm assuming those were business days... So yes, Friday after 3 or so, is going to count as the following business day, today... Start your 3 day count today...
 
Ok, now go back and count the days since Mark first said he was sending the money back. Yeah, it has only been a few days since Friday, one business day in fact. He should have thought of that when he started saying he was working on sending out the refund. Today was the cut off day. He procrastinated and like many before him, was boned by the procrastination.That happens when you try to do things after the close of the business day, on weekends, holidays, you name it. Thats why you don't procrastinate, and if you do, you don't make promises. Promises and procrastination are a crappy mix.
 
Mark, want to go back and read the information provided by Tony at the begining of the thread? He posted emails, and again...looks like you aren't telling the truth.

June 15,2004 8:34 pm,Tony emails you to let you know he didnt make it to the bank to make the down payment.

June 16, 2004 7:44 pm You email Tony to let him know that you recieved payment.

Where is that 2-3 days you were talking about? He obviously sent it on the 16th, since he didn't make it to the bank on the 15th, but you got it on the 16th? WOW!
 
Not To Be To Skeptical Here

but just because a form was filled out does not mean any action was actually done at all on 5/27/05. Wasn't it part of the plan to delay payment knowing the holiday weekend was coming? If Tony didn't start this thread and a host of other ones to pressure Mark into action I think payment would have been a long time coming. Who knows how long it may have taken? I do hope the money arrives soon so this can be put to rest.
Regarding exchange rates, I owned several oceanfront properties in New Brunswick, Canada and whenever the tax bills came to me the amounts due were naturally in Canadian funds. When I did the conversion the Canadian authorities would always go by the exchange rate the day they processed payment which was usually well over a month after payment was sent. They could care less what the exchange rate was when I sent payment. So whatever Tony's looking for in that area will always be a moving target for Mark to hit. As others have said I think he should be happy to get something reasonably close and leave it at that.
 
Regarding exchange rates, I owned several oceanfront properties in New Brunswick, Canada and whenever the tax bills came to me the amounts due were naturally in Canadian funds. When I did the conversion the Canadian authorities would always go by the exchange rate the day they processed payment which was usually well over a month after payment was sent. They could care less what the exchange rate was when I sent payment.
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Greg,

In your case it was OK, because the deal was done in Canadian territory. In this case though, the boa was bought in the U.S., and the asking price was set in American dollars. It all boils down to what both parties agreed upon at the time. If nothing was specified along those lines, then the price was the original in American currency.

So whatever Tony's looking for in that area will always be a moving target for Mark to hit. As others have said I think he should be happy to get something reasonably close and leave it at that.
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We agree 100%.

Regards
 
Allllllllllllllllllllll of this mess over a snake Tony is not even allowed to own! Funny Stuff!

Ownership of Boas within the cuty limits of Winnipeg Canada is in fact ILLEGAL

He is also using a fake name. Tony Pharosx is an alsias. Antoine Seara is his real name.

How very amusing. I hope mark makes this situation right, but you're still what I and many consider a 'Bad Guy'

BTW, isnt a full REAL name a requirement when posting on the BOI. Thought so.

Your reputation in Canada is horrid. I'm now very impressed to see how you have taken that and brought it to the United States as well. In the future how do you plan to purchase snakes? You going to go piss off the few in the UK who deal in what you are looking to obtain now too? Pretty soon no one, and I mean NO ONE will even consider dealing with you.

Next time when you feel like calling out a bad guy try not being so much of one yourself. You did a great job exposing Mark, you still have a very small bit of my respect for the excellent job you did. Thats about it though............

Oh well. Thankfully this is almost over and we do not need to hear about these people again....... With all luck.
 
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I recieved my wires from Tony in 2-3 days time as well, it was not an immediate transfer like he made it seem.
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Mark are you sure? Or does that foot taste that good?

Sent Payment - May 16, 2004....early that morning.
Emailed - May 16, 2004....in the afternoon.
Mark's reply - May 16, 2004....late that evening.

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Everyone else, as stated in my emails to Mark it is pay my partner (he handles the business aspect, this is only a hobby to me) and ship to us both (reason is incase I or he can not be at the airport on time there is always someone.

As for refund I await to hear something from the bank tomorrow.

PS. Just noticed the latest reply from Chris, I do not live in the city, my partner (who deals this hobby as a business) does and we use his address because it is the closest to the airport, we have done this do minimize travel and stress on animals when we ship. Mark knows this, as do our past customers as well. Its not a big secret like your making it out to be.

Tony Pharosx
 
So what you are saying is you knowingly accept ILLEGAL animals at that address, supposedly to save time and stress on the animals. You also say Mark knew this animal would be shipping to an area where illegal, and was willing to do so.

Oh great, that REALLY explains everything so much better Tony!

You both disgust me.

You also failed to shed light on the fact that you are using a fake name. Big surprise.
 
Chris - In Canada as far as I know people do not ship animals to a buyers house. I know there are carriers in the USA that do that but in Canada it is airport to airport, and this boa would have entered Canada and be at an international port to be seen by customs officers and to accept payment for taxes incurred as well.

What I said was my partners house is closer to the airport, in case I can not get to the airport moment of arrival then my partner can do it instead. Like I said he is not the hobbiest, he is the businessman, I am the hobbiest and I live outside the city.

I am only responding to this because I think maybe I worded it wrong last time, so please understand.

Tony Pharosx
 
And you still have yet to answer for the use of an alias?!

It is required you use your full LEGITIMATE name when posting here on the BOI or the Canadian BOI for that matter. People have brought this up numerous times yet you have ignored it to date.
 
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