Bad Guy MEL KRUGER - CROOK

[Black Adder]

Just because you say there is only one solution, doesn't make it so.
If Kruger agrees, you have proposed a really thoughtful solution, however:




It is not on the table. Anyone here can propose solutions and there have been some good ones. Only a party can make an offer.

Pretty sure if you go back a couple of posts you will see Alex saying " he is good with that"
So yes I would say " it is on the table "as he is one of the parties involved.

 

[juliasara]

I think mr Kruger knows that it was a lot to ask. It's just another way to manipulate the situation so it stays in his favor. He knew Alex would not agree to that.

 

[Pasodama]

Pretty sure if you go back a couple of posts you will see Alex saying " he is good with that"
So yes I would say " it is on the table "as he is one of the parties involved.

Alex did say he was good with that but he (Alex) had already made that very same offer before Kruger's last stated options.
Kruger rejected that offer by stating, after Alex's offer (actually, it was one of three options), the only two options he would accept.

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[Lucille]

Pretty sure if you go back a couple of posts you will see Alex saying " he is good with that"
So yes I would say " it is on the table "as he is one of the parties involved.

Nope. One party puts the offer on the table, the other accepts (or negotiates, and there are rules for counteroffers.) An acceptance is not good if the other party has not made an offer. (Although anyone including the parties are free to discuss what they think).

 

[Black Adder]

Nope. One party puts the offer on the table, the other accepts (or negotiates, and there are rules for counteroffers.) An acceptance is not good if the other party has not made an offer. (Although anyone including the parties are free to discuss what they think).

Confused....Alex made the offer, he is one of the parties
So he has "put it on the table", never said it had been agreed by BOTH parties.
Of course it seems it has already been previously rejected
But lets not waste time arguing over this
We really need to hear from Mr Kruger.....

 

[Lucille]

Confused....Alex made the offer, he is one of the parties
So he has "put it on the table", never said it had been agreed by BOTH parties.
Of course it seems it has already been previously rejected
But lets not waste time arguing over this
We really need to hear from Mr Kruger.....

It is not a waste to understand. Once an offer is rejected it is dead. It cannot be revived by acceptance. It is not on the table.

 

[CwnAnnwn]

It is not a waste to understand. Once an offer is rejected it is dead. It cannot be revived by acceptance. It is not on the table.

I would not consider any offer made or rejected off the table. Most people will pass on a good deal if they think they can get a better one. But will come back to a good offer when nothing else comes up.

I have to ask this. What is the offers?

Mr. Kruger has offered to send the snakes back after the op agrees to extortion.

I am going to say, extortion should be off the table.

 

[Lucille]

I would not consider any offer made or rejected off the table.

Contract law says a rejected offer is dead. You are free to consider what you wish.
Kruger has made two offers. We are waiting for him to reply with the amount that he wants for boarding, adjusted for the time during all this that it was his fault that the negotiations did not go forward.
He should not have to pay for rats fed during the time Alex was trying to come up with alternative addresses for Kruger to send the gun, nor should he have to pay while the two of them were negotiating what to do because Alex had kept back one snake in the shipment that was part of the deal.

 

[juliasara]

Mr Kruger has signed into his account since all these questions were asked yet he doesn't reply at all. This delay is on you mel, you can't ask Alex to pay for boarding for this time since you are causing the hold up right now. Please take the time to answer the questions that have been asked. It only makes you look worse every time you sign in, view this thread and don't reply.

 

[Lucille]

Mr Kruger has signed into his account since all these questions were asked yet he doesn't reply at all. This delay is on you mel, you can't ask Alex to pay for boarding for this time since you are causing the hold up right now. Please take the time to answer the questions that have been asked. It only makes you look worse every time you sign in, view this thread and don't reply.

You are exactly right, this delay is on Kruger.
When he answers, all of you can look at his boarding figure. It has to be reasonable, and in this case will probably mean what those in this industry charge for boarding. So, much lower that let's say dog or cat boarding.
If the figure given is reasonable, the clock starts ticking for Alex.
This is important, because if Alex does nothing, boarding costs accumulate and could conceivably, in enough time, be equal to the cost of the snakes.
So sending shipping and reasonably boarding, once determined, might be a good choice.
No one like Kruger very much right now, I sure don't. But as much as I don't like him, Alex did start the mess by sending the deal one snake short, and then having to re-do where the guns were to be shipped. I think reasonable people might agree that during the time lost by these issues started by Alex, Kruger should get rat money and whatnot, in a reasonable amount.
Hopefully it will all be tied up soon and the snakes on their way home.

 

[CwnAnnwn]

Contract law says a rejected offer is dead.

Arbitration says everything is on the table. Nothing dead.

I never question each side has completely screwed this deal up. And I completely agree with you on the fact that Mr. Kruger should not be put out in the cold on this one. He may have been self serving, but he does not need to in up giving more then he is entitled too.

But I will also remind you that Mr. Kruger as stalled on this deal. If I remember right, Mr. Kruger told Mr. Marrero that he wanted to ship back the 7 boas in his possession. Not the 11, because Mr.Kruger told Mr. Marrero that he sold the 4 already.

So from that point, which was just a few days in, until it was revealed by Mr. Kruger in this thread that he did not sell the snakes and was in fact "trying to prevent him from scamming me". The first post Mr. Kruger tried to correct that little lie was on 10/23/15.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1862092&postcount=116

So, what do we do about that time. The time that Mr. Marrero thought if he did take the snakes back, he was only going to get 7 back, not 11?

 

[juliasara]

Mr. Kruger is signed in right now and still no response. As Lucille said, the clock is ticking mr kruger. I sincerely hope you do the right thing here!

 

[Lucille]

I would wait a reasonable time for him to reply. To me, reasonable would be by tomorrow morning, 9AM Central, this is not rocket science.

If Kruger does nothing, and simply chooses to scam Alex out of his snakes, I would do what I suggested a few pages back and simply post all the identifying information you can dig up on himself and his family (remember, it is a family company, they are involved) in order to help warn others so they can avoid doing business with any of the family and do not get taken.

 

[Thenotoriousdud]

He doesn't want to send the snakes back. Once he's confronted with actually having to physically send the snakes back, he'll come up with something. He'll attempt to muddy the waters somehow to delay things. Watch what happens when those labels get sent off.

 

[LauraB]

What he said above. Always an excuse, a delay, a reason he, Mel Kruger, will not do the right thing. No offense intended, but ya'll can talk legalese all day (and I am no stranger); it won't matter, I'm afraid.

Given his attitude, arrogance, his apparent lies (I sold some snakes; uh, no I still have them all), his back peddling on the deal and his complete inability to give a freaking inch, sadly I do not see Mel Kruger doing the right thing, the moral thing, the professional thing to compensate the OP. He has had more than enough time.

 

[ElexisC]

It just hit me. He told Alex he would send 7 back because he old 4, because he said he thought Alex was trying to screw him? Doesn't that mean Mel was actually the one trying to screw Alex out of 4 snakes he didn't actually sell, to keep 4 for nothing? Nothing Mel says ads up and he makes up another lie to cover the other one.

Alex or Mel post the entire conversation.

After realizing this, because of CwnAnnwn's post, it is clear Mel has been trying to get something for nothing this entire deal. Until proven other wise Mel is the bad guy. Yea Alex screwed up, forgetting one and not checking current gun laws, but had Mel sent the gun/s to Alex's brother or the one gun to Alex, this whole thing would be over. In my opinion it is clear Mel is a scammer, and just wants more for nothing. If I was Alex after not receiving anything I wouldn't sent another snake or money either until Mel made good on his end.

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[KRUGER'S KRITTER]

Last time

Ok this will be the last time I take part in all of this drama! Most of you cannot keep up with the post or even care to read them and all of you do not know the full story! All of you have made up your mind about me and found me guilty! So no matter what I show what I say or what I do it will remain like that ! But I am going to stick out one more deal and that will be the end of it.1 Alex sends the Jaguar and I will send the kel-tec to whoever he wants. The Kel-tek sub 2000 is worth between $1,500 and $2,000 it is the first generation that is a steel frame with extras. Deal 2 Alex send a shipping label and I will send all the snakes back after he pays for my boarding .boarding goes as followed____ Big female eats 2 Big rats a weak each rat cost $6.99each 6 weeks is $84.00 / Big male eats 1 Big rat a weak each rat cost $6.99each 6 weak is $42.00 / 2 Triple hets eat 2 small rats EACH a weak that is 4 small rats a weak each rat is $3.99each 6 weeks is $100.00 / 7 Baby Boas eat 1 puprat each a weak that is 7 puprat. puprat cost $2.00each 6 weeks $90.00 Boarding cost is just for rats I am NOT including cleaning and my time boarding cost is $316.00 Yes believe me I know this is expensive but I do not breed my rats and I do not have a hookup for rats . so I have to go to a store and buy them which you are more than welcome to call the stock shop where I get my rats and find out for yourself . These offers are only good for 24 hours then I will be moving on.

 

[lilgreenbee]

Ok this will be the last time I take part in all of this drama! Most of you cannot keep up with the post or even care to read them and all of you do not know the full story! All of you have made up your mind about me and found me guilty! So no matter what I show what I say or what I do it will remain like that ! But I am going to stick out one more deal and that will be the end of it.1 Alex sends the Jaguar and I will send the kel-tec to whoever he wants. The Kel-tek sub 2000 is worth between $1,500 and $2,000 it is the first generation that is a steel frame with extras. Deal 2 Alex send a shipping label and I will send all the snakes back after he pays for my boarding .boarding goes as followed____ Big female eats 2 Big rats a weak each rat cost $6.99each 6 weeks is $84.00 / Big male eats 1 Big rat a weak each rat cost $6.99each 6 weak is $42.00 / 2 Triple hets eat 2 small rats EACH a weak that is 4 small rats a weak each rat is $3.99each 6 weeks is $100.00 / 7 Baby Boas eat 1 puprat each a weak that is 7 puprat. puprat cost $2.00each 6 weeks $90.00 Boarding cost is just for rats I am NOT including cleaning and my time boarding cost is $316.00 Yes believe me I know this is expensive but I do not breed my rats and I do not have a hookup for rats . so I have to go to a store and buy them which you are more than welcome to call the stock shop where I get my rats and find out for yourself . These offers are only good for 24 hours then I will be moving on.

That is absolutely unreal. The deal goes sour, you stall, and he has to pay for "boarding"??? I normally don't comment on these things, but that is so brazenly crooked!

 

[Lucille]

Kruger

Propose a third party you can both trust who can hold the funds from Alex for your boarding costs and then give them to you when the snakes arrive at Alex's.
Or, alternatively, a third person who will hold the gun until the jag arrives if Alex chooses to do that.

Alex

Or look...you were selling one of my 11 snakes for 500.

If one snake could be sold at $500, you can still come out ahead after paying the boarding costs and shipping. Remember a couple of points:
Now that boarding costs have been posted, the clock is ticking on you and further boarding costs will rack up if you do nothing. Remember that the initial fault for all of this mess was yours for 'forgetting' one snake and for the whole deal with having to stop and find a different place to send the gun.

 

[KRUGER'S KRITTER]

Ok

Yes I would agree to that if we could come up to a third party that would hold the stuff and give it to where it supposed to go that would be fine by me