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Mike Clark (serpentboy78)=BAD GUY!

Mike

My post was not directed at you in any way. As I stated, if Mike Clark is guilty of all the things that have been discussed here he needs to be out of this business. I'm not sure how you managed to misinterpret that as siding with him. If you read MY post, you will note that my comments were directed at the idiocies of Mr. Scalaro's assertions and claims and in no way condoned anything Mike may have done
 
Suncoast Herpetological said:
My post was not directed at you in any way. As I stated, if Mike Clark is guilty of all the things that have been discussed here he needs to be out of this business. I'm not sure how you managed to misinterpret that as siding with him. If you read MY post, you will note that my comments were directed at the idiocies of Mr. Scalaro's assertions and claims and in no way condoned anything Mike may have done
I didnt mean to jump down your throut,it was out of line and i appoligise.Mr.Scalaro's story is so close to mine i guess i didnt want to see him discredited.My posts are off topic and souldnt be here anyway,i will be posting a new thread on serpentboy and the way he does business.I just fell the accusations of Mike Clark shipping hots thru the mail are going way over looked.
thanx
mike
 
Mike Bump and DAN

Alright, I was not going to post again, due to the bashing and accusations last time I posted. First off, I simply stated I had a good experiance with him, then I come back and look and am accused of being either a personal friend, or him himself. Wich is very untrue.All I am is a satisfied custumer of his who has helped me alot. There are some things here that no one as addressed yet. Dan, You said dozens of times that you wanted the snake shipped to you via airlines. How is it that Mike had you home address.? You also said you shipped first. Then just a few minutes ago I come on here and read where you said you did not even know who UPS was or any of the ground carriers for that matter. Ok you shipped first to him? Who did you use to ship? Pony Express? I will not go back and quote all the places where I have seen you being called a Idiot,Moron,Ignorant. etc.etc. Need I go on? Yet you continue to come on here and make yourself look like a total fool. You worked for a Very well known Pet store who Im sure ships daily,yet you know nothing about UPS shipping. etc. Please. Your big FBI investigation,but hundreds of people come to you for advice on their purchases? All you are doing is trying to plead IGNORANCE. I mean you are IMO . but you knew how that snake was coming to you and you know it. You gave him your home address. I admit what BOTH YOU and Mike did was illegal,and You knew it when you made the deal. I could go on and on like you do in your posts ,but i'll stop here. Anyone with sense can read the thread and know You knew exactly what you were doing. Mike Bump,this is all news to me. Those are serious allegations. Why wait 6 months.? Again are you gonna try to plead IGNORANCE as to how he got your home address, let me guess he got it off of the box you sent him correct.? You said out of the blue the po man knocked on your door You knew what was in the box and you still signed for it.? You have pictures and you say you have emails. Well after 6 months who is not gonna think YOU have not doctored those emails.? Your story is full of holes just as Dans is,and I dont buy it. As im sure many others dont. If any of this was taken before a court The proof you guys claim to have is NOTHING. The only thing you guys have is Mike's confession that he sent Dan the snake via UPS. Nothing more nothing less. So you guys continue on with your witch hunt. Kelly Andrews
 
kelly2 said:
. The only thing you guys have is Mike's confession that he sent Dan the snake via UPS. Nothing more nothing less. So you guys continue on with your witch hunt. Kelly Andrews

Thank You
:rolleyes:


Nothing more Nothing less

Two incidents reported of illegally shipping. Witch-Hunt :rotflmao:

I guess he now has confessed to the second shipping.
He sucks, He should be thrown in jail for putting so many lives’s in jeopardy and you have no credibility at all after that statement.
 
Yet you continue to come on here and make yourself look like a total fool.

Now theres an ironic statement! :laugh:

If any of this was taken before a court The proof you guys claim to have is NOTHING.

If any of this was taken before a court, Mike would go to jail, pure and simple.

Why do you try to downplay the complete and utter disregard for this hobby and the safety of numerous peoples' lives that Mike has exhibited though his actions? Once Mike corrects the situation between him and myself (which hopefully will be on Wednesday of this week), I'd suggest that he lay low for a while, if not forever. :bolt01:
 
Dennis Hultman said:
Mike you currently have up for sale

Western Atrox, Southern Copperheads, Texas Coral snakes.

Your shipping terms

Terms/Guarantee:
All animals will be shipped overnight to your door, with a guaranteed live arrival and to be parasite free with a 72 hour guarantee, with the exception of w/c reptiles. Which the only guarantee I offer with w/c specimens is that they are guaranteed feeders.

How are you going to ship them out?

Anyone receive a venomous from Mike Clark that did not come through USPS or UPS. Mike do you ship anything through approved carriers?

Do you have any accounts set-up? Are you able to speak for yourself?
Should we wait for Jolie Myshel to come defend you?
I meant Myshel Jolie, I think.
 
About two hours after my email my postman was knocking on my door with a box.I was dumbfounded but i did sign for the box.At the time i was thinking i got burnt,and he couldnt be that stupid to send them usps.Well he was,someone else made a comment that if people wouldnt accept hots in the mail then people wouldnt ship them.This was not the case in this instance.

Micheal,

One final thought though, there wouldn’t be sellers shipping illegally, if there weren’t buyers willing to receive poisonous snakes illegally.

There are two possible interpretations to the statement in bold. The first one, the buyer agrees to receive the shipment USPS (which, according to you, was not the case). The other is that Mike Clark sent the snakes USPS because he speculated that once the package was there you would sign for it anyways. You had the choice of refusing the package but you didn’t (that’s what Mike was counting on). I’m not saying it was the right thing or not to do, just the facts. Had you refused the package, you could have claimed he had not delivered the snake according to your agreement. You were not expecting a package from the USPS but an airline delivery. The fact is that Mike not only tricked you into accepting an illegal shipment (which as you said can be construed as a felony) but he even made you pay money for it.

Regards.
 
Dan Garcia, your correct on your observations and I should have rejected it but personally, in my case, I did not know better and should have and admit that, much less the deliveryman was standing there arm outstretched and I could smell something dead reeking from the box, so I though I better take it before he took it back to his office and I got in some type of trouble or something. You see the day I was to receive it, I informed and inquired to my employer who is more so experienced in these matters that I was informed minutes earlier that it was arriving UPS, and she told me that was illegal and then I crapped my pants and did not know what to do.

I will tell you another scenario that you will not believe. I went through this crap with SERPENTBOY and did EVERYTHING in my power to not let it happen again, but it did. I bought another coral snake just last month from someone else who is under investigation by the FBI and other agencies and I will make a post on him soon. The sent the seller 150 dollars and he stole it. I went to Delta to pickup the snake, inspected the snake, determined it was dying, rejected to accept it, Delta took it back and accepted my refusal to accept the snake and told me the seller was responsible for shipping it back to himself, the seller refused to ship it back to himself, I went back to get the snake to provide emergency care for the snake as the seller told Delta to send it to a local wholesaler and it might not get the attention it deserved, and the snake ate for me but died weeks later as predicted, and the seller still refuses to send me my money even after a non-basis vet viewed the photos and said the snake was dehydrated, malnourished, and sickened with parasites, and I am again screwed out of 150 bucks, much less this guy knew the snake was dying and used its dying body for financial profit. Now I took many steps to ensure this would not happen to me. I obtained photos of the snake that were blurry and did not receive clear pictures, I informed the seller that I was going to take a screwdriver to the airport to uncrate the box and inspect the snake (which by the way, the container was made of wood but I later learned that the boxes construction and packaging violated the Lacy Act in many ways). I have the sellers emails that the snake was healthy, have pictures of the dying snake, have witnesses that saw the dying snake, even have the supervisor at Delta view the lethargic and skinny snake and concur that the snake was dying, and I still am without my money. And with all this evidence, the guy refuses to send me my money and the webmaster who owns the website where the snake was advertised knows this information, even his vets non-basis opinion, and he still permits the seller to advertise snakes. No matter what you do in this snake buying trade your screwed and I will never buy another snake from someone I do not know. And I will recommend the same to the hundreds of people who consult me about it all the time. These guys who do these bad deals only hurt the honest people who need this industry for a living and that is a shame and the honest people who really are affected should be more active in pursuing these unlawful sellers and helping to rid them from the business once and for all.
 
Kelly Andrews,
You wanted to know how he got my home address.Its on my website and some of my email signatures and my paypal account.And yes he could have got it from the box i sent him,look at the pics my address is right on it.You mentioned emails were too easy to doctor,thats why i havent posted any yet.Mike Clark said he was going to post the emails from our transaction to make me look like im at fault.Thats what im waiting for,so we can start a new thread with all the proof.You also stated my story has holes in,where???Let me ask you something out of 14 posts you have started on this site 11 are about serpentboy / Mike Clark.Now that seems a little fishy to me.
Mr Garcia hit the nail on the head,but im sure there are many others that agreeded to his shipping methods that will never come forward and admit they recieved them like that.So Mike Clark i would really like to know how many times you did ship hots thru ground carriers?
thanx
mike
 
Man he is not going to post. He knows his words will go straight to fish and game, the FBI, Delta Cargo, etc.

Mike Clark has been spending this last weekend standing up for 48 hours straight banging his head against the wall and stating "Delta Dash", "Delta Dash", and his wife has been kicking him in his butt and packing his bags.
 
I knew it!

I myself had a disagreement with Mike over the way he worded one of his ads and contacted him about it. I said what I had to say and tried to be polite about it though I was pretty aggrivated over it. Of course he was not seeing things my way, as he is never wrong. The more I looked into this guy the more I was turned off. That was before I even found out about all these incidents with hots. Anyone who would be so irresponsible as to endanger someones life has no business participating in this hobby on a business level, or any level at all. I am hoping 05 turns out to be a year where reptile keepers stand divided on who they should and should not do business with. Our main concerns should be for the lives of people and the animals, not dollar signs. To think that many people end up in court over any possible threat on someones life and the outrageous amounts of money involved in lawsuits where harm is done to somebody.....and then think of the tiny profit someone could see from selling WC hots just baffles me. How could anyone be THAT stupid???? I hope this guy is out of the biz for good. Don't buy sell or trade with this serpentboy character. You will regret it. I am very happy to see how many people are following this thread. I am sure word is out to avoid this guy, and also hope many others who do the same stupid things as he does are now seeing what a mistake they're making. If you want to participate in a potentially dangerous hobby/business such as venomous reptiles play by the rules. Do not ruin your...or anyone elses life. I think we reptile lovers need to promote responsibility from within the hobby. Venomous or nonvenomous, accidents happen. Although I would love to see Mike on the news in handcuffs, I know it would bring the hammer down on the hobby in general and that's not something any of us want to deal with. It's time to start compiling names to be black listed. If there's no one to make money from, these guys will have to disappear. Hats off to FaunaClassifieds. This site is helping us make a difference. Let's hope our theme song will be Another One Bites the Dust! Bite it serpentboy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tom Stevens
 
I am right there with you Tom!!!

It is people like SerpentBOY ( how fitting, by the way), that can jeopardize our hobby. My freedoms of having all my awesome snakes, of course as the freedoms of everyone into the reptile hobby, could be in trouble through the selfish and irresponsible actions like Mike has shown.

He has done enough damage to himself and is most likely done in this hobby.

Billy Fraser
 
Have I been scammed?

Dan,
I e-mailed you privately with no responce so I will post this hoping for an answer. Did you buy the rodent feeding Texas Coral that Mike Clark was selling for $150? The reason I am asking is because I did and if you did we have more on Mike to discuss. :hot:
 
Don't worry Mike Clark

Your not on the list yet. You can still respond.

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DarksideBoas said:
So, did you get your money yet? or are you still waiting by the window for the mailman daily?

I have not received the money order yet. It will be here later today is Mike keeps his word.
 
Well, Mike stood me up with the money order. I'm not surprised though. He told me he was sending it 2-day air on Monday and assured me it would be here today. I have not heardm from him or seen him online since Sunday. I have sent him an e-mail asking whats going on....hopefully he'll have a good reason for not standing up to his end of the deal.....yet again.
 
David, hey I apologize if the mention of all this other stuff makes SERPENTBOY hide so deep in a hole that you eventually do not get your money. And it might be because of me. On that note, I think, but not sure, but it might have been you that dragged my name into it, and I was not going to say anything about that but in the interest of protecting the public, I was compelled to speak up. And I am not upset at you for it or anything. Much less if the bastard does not send you your money, hell I run into a dozens of tricolored snakes all the time and get them very cheap or trade a few water snakes I find crossing the roads, you just tell me if you get screwed out of the money and the pair you want I will send you for free, Delta Dash of course. Just kidding, I will send you the snakes for free if you pay for the shipping. And on your money issue, the only thing SERPENTBOY did say about me that was close to the truth and factual was that he did indeed send me my money for my snakes in trade the next day after I got his dead coral snake and he did so WITHOUT ever seeing the dead snake he sent because he refused to speak to my reference on the phone who was standing there with me smelling the stinking snake, and it was not Ben Siegel, and SERPENTBOY knows who I am talking about, it was someone with a swifter foot than Ben. But that story is for a later post. But his mention of sending my money is misleading and false, and at best half accurate, because he sent only half the money of their retail value and he positioned to hold my snakes hostage or hang up the phone and I would never hear from him again. And people somehow thought I could trust him and get a fair resolution to this on the BOI? Ha. Ha.

Tim: Yet another customer of SERPENTBOY screwed again. You mean you bought that Texas Coral snake he misrepresented as feeding on rodents? I now feel worse that I did not stop SERPENTBOY sooner.

I just saw your post. Heck, this website is not sending me emails when someone makes a post so I have to log on and see what's happening? No big deal. And I never really looked at my private email box, heck, someone sent me a few emails in there months ago and I never even knew I had such a private email box? I guess I should get with it huh?

It is no surprise that SERPENTBOY advertised a rodent feeding Texas Coral Snake and it is not feeding for you. Guess how many people called me and told me that he was back up to his old tricks when they saw that post? Hell, the day he first put that fraud up on kingsnake.com, my computer started to smoke and shake.

You asked me if I also bought that Texas Coral Snake, heck I almost broke my back and fell out of my chair when I laughed so hard at SERPENTBOY's advertisement for that rodent feeding Texas Coral Snake. I knew he would screw someone again, and I knew that person would make a post. I am sorry it was you actually. SERPENTBOY again has proven with your coral snake that does not eat rodents as he represented, that this is indeed further evidence that he is a master con-artist. Plain and simple, no need to waste a nanosecond of your valuable time even thinking about it. As you know, coral snakes do not typically feed on rodents, and some starving examples might, but it is indeed rare. Regardless of whether his did or did not, if the photo was real, he either witnessed a miracle or he stuck the rodent in its mouth. If you bought that one, I respectfully submit I am sorry for your purchase and your time and frustration with SERPENTBOY, but join the ever growing club. And if you are indeed entitled to a refund, as SERPENTBOY clearly misrepresented the snake, and used misrepresentation and fraud to rob you of your money, no other way to see it. Trust his word it ate? Nope. Next thing you know he will start selling kingsnakes that eat bananas. Now if someone with a deserving reputation said it ate rodents and candy canes and lollipops and it did not for you, but did for them, then I might sway to ask you what you are doing wrong with the snake. But I doubt your doing anything wrong and you sound very experienced to me. If its SERPENTBOY who is selling the snake, hell, you just lucky the snake was alive when you received it and it lived more than a week. Be glad it either was not dead or has a disease to spread to your entire collection.

And if I were you Tim, I would demand he financially compensate you to have his misrepresented snake sent back to him the "legal" shipping fashion and let that crook be responsible for the $75.00 shipping headache he perhaps dumped on you. And demand a refund, and give him back the burden of a snake that only eats snakes, unless you are slighted to accept his offer for a discount. And that is what he is best at, sending misrepresented crap and negotiating a discount that makes him look like he is a reasonable businessman.

In either case, you perhaps know they do not commonly feed on rodents, so this is a touchy situation. I mean if someone sells baby chondros at high dollar guaranteeing them feeding on rodents, and the customer can only get his new pet to take lizards or frogs after hours and weeks of trying rodents, then that is perhaps borderline misrepresentation of the chondro, and it perhaps should have went for 50 bucks less than the rodent feeder, and the guy is entitled to 50 bucks or exchange the snake. However in your case with a snake feeder, heck now your big-time out on a limb because you have to either assume the larger expense of feeder snakes and lizards or go out and chance them down yourself.

I do know some people that have kept eastern corals on rodents for a year or so, but they all eventually seem to go back to snakes, Texas Corals perhaps are a bit easier? Did you pick it up, or was did SERPENTBOY send yet another deadly snake via UPS or Postal Service? Perhaps Fed Ex? I hope you picked it up. I do not think the authorities have enough room in their files for another case about SERPENTBOY shipping venomous UPS again.

By the way, did he also tell you it will wear a top-hat, sing and dance while balancing on a walking-cane sticking out of its ass? Well, perhaps he is saving that particular snake for a summer sale for bail money. He perhaps stuck a fuzzie in front of it and made it angry and it bit on to it, and perhaps it swallowed it, or perhaps it was so weakened he put a fuzzy in its mouth and took the picture, or perhaps it was starved and ate by itself as some recent wild caughts will do. In either case, just be glad you had only a brief encounter with him and left the deal with your shirt on. But how he could claim to put a rodent in the cage and be present when the snake actually took the food and he had his handy dandy camera ready is quite a miracle of coral snake feeding evolution. I mean I have a ton of nocturnal and diurnal snakes that are very sensitive like corals and shy away from attention and I cannot see them eat a lizard if I put a camera near them and hid it under a log? How did he get that photo? Hell, I would more so believe someone who did not even have that photo as most people who have experienced a coral taking a rodent, have done so the next day when they noticed the pink gone and the snake fat. Man this industry needs an acid bath to clean itself because the government has nothing better to do but put an end to their listening to people complain and just make it easier for them to shut it all down. Heck, some other criminal recently stole my 150 dollars for a central American coral snake that he sent me dying. And it died weeks later as predicted and his "defense" is that he has a picture of it eating and has witnesses it ate. Hell it ate for me too but that does not relieve him that the snake was dying a deadly disease and it was starving all the time from vomiting snakes? I mean who do these children snake dealers think they are fooling? Do they think because there mother bought them a computer and camera, its now the time to screw the public out of money? They take a picture and that is there way to avoid prosecution? Hell they should see how their mug shot is going to look when they are arrested for it. Hell the picture is only more evidence the bastard misrepresented the snake because I requested a picture of the snakes spine and backbone as I suspicious that the snake was sick and thin, and he sends a picture of the snake feeding with the food half way down its belly inflating the snakes overall appearance. He sends the opposite of what I ask and he thinks he can fool a 40 year old man? I guess these youthful energetic bastards who rip off people just need a good kick in the ass. And they will get it one day, if not by me, someone will clean their clock for them. And if they think they got the distance or high testosterone to keep eight eyes out like a spider, and they are such bad asses themselves, then they ought to visit the jails and prisons, because there are more bad asses like them in there, if not the grave already.

One way that does work or fool a coral snake into rodents, and perhaps how you were fooled is to take a washed pink and scent it with a snake or put snake poop or snake "scent" from a live snakes vent and put it on a rodent and they urge of a hungry or pissed off coral will make them jump right on to it. However this works best with starving corals, not your typical fattened coral snake. And it only works for about 4 or 5 feedings and then the coral gets withdrawals from a nice snake meal and has to have a snake to satisfy its natural instincts.

How much did you pay for the "rodent feeding" Texas Coral? Did you pay extra for it feeding on rodents? I did not get a Texas Coral from SERPENTBOY. I traded him for an Arizona coral last summer and he sent stubbed tail, dead, and obviously diseased ridden perhaps defrosted stinking snake to my front door via UPS when he knew better to use Delta. Do not take this con he pulled with you lying down. The longer he is permitted to screw people over the more he gets a rise out of it. The boy is sick with a thirst to steal and con people out of money. And he is more interested in screwing people out of money than he is interested in the hobby. He loves it, he wants it, and he WILL do it again. He will not post now but he has been viewing all these posts for quite some time as when I check on fauna a few times, he was always logged in. Send an email to my personal email if you want to discuss further. Oh, I bought a beautiful central American coral snake yesterday, a Micrurus diastema. Send me an email and I will send you a picture. It looks like a cross between an eastern coral snake and a mountain kingsnake with a ton of bands. Cool stuff.

Dan
 
Big surprise there!

DavidBeard said:
Well, Mike stood me up with the money order... I have not heard from him or seen him online since Sunday.

David, I'm sorry to hear that you have not yet been compensated for the Milksnakes. Let this be a lesson to us all. If you are contemplating a deal of any nature and the other party cannot compose a decent sentence, let alone a decent e-mail, do not give them your business!

Jennifer Webb
(Jungle Gems)
 
DavidBeard said:
Well, Mike stood me up with the money order. I'm not surprised though. He told me he was sending it 2-day air on Monday and assured me it would be here today. I have not heardm from him or seen him online since Sunday. I have sent him an e-mail asking whats going on....hopefully he'll have a good reason for not standing up to his end of the deal.....yet again.


David,
Sorry to hear that. I thought that for sure he would at least pay you.
 
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