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Bad Guy Mike Masters of Pennsylvania

Snakepliscan said:
Doesn't change the fact that he kept the ball python and my money. He could have sent that refund 10 years ago but chose not to do so.
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Actually yes it does change some facts. See below underlined text.

MIchaelfm said:
I never changed numbers untill 3 years later. If you were able to give my contatct info to the police, why did you wait 10 years to contact me again? How did you send me payment if you couldn't find me? Why didn't you mention that the cops were involved and chose my side?
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MIchaelfm said:
Why did you have my contact info to send money, then to give to the police, but not to contact further? The police obviously contacted me via the same number you had.
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MIchaelfm said:
We did have several dates but they were cancelled by Charles Lamb not me. I can't ship and animal when nobody is going to recieve it that is cruelty. I chased him down, he refused to allow it to be shipped. I held the animal for a year! I won't leave animal out to bake on somebody's porch. It's his responsiblity to give the ship date and hold to it, as he is the one he needs to be there. I can't tell somebody when to stay home from work and accept an animal, he needs to tell me when he can accept the animal safely.
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So by what Mike is saying he had the SAME contact information from 2000-2003 and held the snake from 2000-2001.

So you were so hot blooded about this to post it 10 years later but you not one time in that three years attempted to contact him with the same contact information??? Not one time???????
 
I'm saying his phone contact info did change! That's why I called the police about the transaction stating that I never received the ball python or a refund and that Mike Masters stopped communicating with me. The mail in my area still gets delivered 6 days a week, rain, snow, cold heat etc. so if weather conditions were so terrible to ship the reptile he could have just sent a refund.
 
Snakepliscan said:
I'm saying his phone contact info did change! That's why I called the police about the transaction stating that I never received the ball python or a refund and that Mike Masters stopped communicating with me. The mail in my area still gets delivered 6 days a week, rain, snow, cold heat etc. so if weather conditions were so terrible to ship the reptile he could have just sent a refund.
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Yes but Mike very clearly states that the police very easily contacted him at the address /phone number you provided them.

At what time did you stop trying to get into contact with him??
Why did you leave it to him to contact you, why didn't you just keep trying or keep speaking with the police who clearly were able to get into contact with him??

Huge mistakes were made on both sides.

What I'm trying very hard to understand is why bring this up 10 years later after you seemingly gave up very quickly back in 2000.

Mike and Charles,
What is the complete time line????
Mainly when was the complain filed with the police department and when did they come to your home Mike????
 
I realize that it's 10 years later and like the rest of you I am still trying to figure out the $175 price tag on a Spider Ball??? But, after putting all of the silly grade school bickering aside the fact that Charles paid money and received NOTHING still remains.

In my opinion Mike still owes Charles a full refund of $175.. And, if i were Mike i would pay double that price to make this mess go away! :thumbsup:

~ Mike Russo
 
There are clearly 2 different versions here and people can believe what they want to believe but a few things have been clearly established. Mike kept that ball python and never shipped or sent any kind of refund even though my contact info, phone and shipping address have remained the same since 1996.

He states that held held the ball python for a year and gives no info after that. Did it die or did he RESELL it to someone else which I believe he did. At that point he clearly profited twice on my snake at my expense! Whether it happened yesterday, last year or 10 years ago it's an unethical practice for a so called "REPUTABLE" dealer!
 
I'm gonna ad my 2 cents here. Not that it is gonna make a difference.

I agree with Charles on 2 things here, there clearly are 2 versions of the story here, and people are definitely gonna choose to believe what they want to, and 2nd, it is clear that Mike did not ship the animal (for whatever reason).

It is clear that Mike an Charles cannot and will not agree on this issue, and everyone that has posted has a different opinion as well, which leads me to believe that this will just continue to be another one of those 100 page threads where the last post will be the same as the first 50 and will go nowhere.

So, in my opinion, since it has been 10 years, and there is clearly 2 different versions of what happened, Mike should send only (50%) of the money back, and both should call it even.
 
mikeyt said:
I'm gonna ad my 2 cents here. Not that it is gonna make a difference.

I agree with Charles on 2 things here, there clearly are 2 versions of the story here, and people are definitely gonna choose to believe what they want to, and 2nd, it is clear that Mike did not ship the animal (for whatever reason).

It is clear that Mike an Charles cannot and will not agree on this issue, and everyone that has posted has a different opinion as well, which leads me to believe that this will just continue to be another one of those 100 page threads where the last post will be the same as the first 50 and will go nowhere.

So, in my opinion, since it has been 10 years, and there is clearly 2 different versions of what happened, Mike should send only (50%) of the money back, and both should call it even.
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I respect your opinion, and agree that we all agree that there are 2 versions of the story, but they BOTH of these guys agree that money was sent and no animal was shipped.. I believe that what ever story either side spins if you do not get the product that you paid for then a FULL refund is in order.. AND, in my book there is NO such thing as a "Good Guy" that takes payment and fails to ship an animal regardless of the reason!

~ Mike Russo
 
Sorry, i hit post my mistake.. The last post should read..

I respect your opinion, and i know that there are 2 versions of the story, but BOTH of these guys agree that money was sent and the animal was not shipped..

I believe that what ever story either side spins, if you do not get the product that you paid for then a FULL refund is in order..

AND, in my book there is NO such thing as a "Good Guy" that takes payment and fails to ship an animal regardless of the reason!

~ Mike Russo
 
I'd have to agree with a full refund, even this far down the line. I believe what should have happened in the first place, was that if the OP really did delay the shipping for so long, and the seller was no longer comfortable holding on to the snake while a shipping date was determined, he should have just sent the money back and said the deal was off.
Holding on to the money even though shipping never was finalized and never happened, was a bad choice in my opinion.
 
MIchaelfm said:
You have removed any chance of this being resolved well. This is my last response to you. You have soiled my name, and refused to admit what really happened. Now you expect payment. I would have helped you had you handled yourself properly. You have not. You have lied, and caused a big mess. When I used the example of "baking on the porch" it was an example of extreme temp. not neccessarly that it was hot, only that the animals can't be outside unattended. I possibly have lost hundreds or thousands of dollars due to your actions on the web, so it would seem that sending you money would be only a further loss to me. You can't undo what you have done. It would be nice to get an apology but I won't hold my breath. Not once have you come clean. If I was a bad guy, I would have ignored your post. For anyone who disagrees, I'm so glad you were there 10 years ago to see my wife's face when the cops came to me the day before my wedding because this idiot wouldn't accept his animal. Why would I hold his animal from him? It makes no sense. Think about it. This doesn't make me a POS, it makes me the victim of a bad situation, and I'm pretty sure, we've all had those. My hobby parter, my wife, can vouche for all of this information, we both remember it well. Good Bye I'm done with this.
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From what I am seeing... its pretty cut and dry.

IF you took his money and never shipped the snake, or never refunded his money because you didn't ship the snake... then you STOLED his money.

Refund the money and your done with this situation.
 
As far as I know over the last 10 years Mike has not been handicapped to the point where he could not have issued a refund. He could have sent the refund Fed. Ex. or certified mail to cover his butt and reputation if he wanted. For whatever reason he chose to keep the snake and my money.

And if that snake was sold to someone else, which it probably was, no way in :censored: I'm accepting a 50% refund! He's lucky I'm not asking for 10 years of interest on my money!
 
OK.. Mike.. I see you are watching this forum.... what can you do to help yourself in this situation? Do you really want to see your reputation ruined over $175? Come on... Just end it now :)
 
I see both sides and Charles should have first contacted Mike via pm before taking this situation to the BOI but with that said I think Mike should send Charles back his money and be done with this mess.
 
Refund his money and work towards saving your rep.... refuse to refund and ruin your rep.

Your call?
 
Once again, just my opinion. Definitely not choosing any sides.

I agree with most here that if money was sent, and the animal was not shipped (for whatever reason) within a timely manner, with no fault of the buyer (which by the way has not been substantiated or proven by either party), then a full refund would have been in order at that time, and may very well still be, HOWEVER

Charles, you came here for a reason and a purpose. It has been 10 years and you have absolutely nothing from this ordeal. Since neither party has really proven their side sufficiently, and fault could be equally split 50/50 between both parties, if a 50% refund was offered I would consider it.

I havent checked the BOI, but if this was the only bad guy thread posted on this vendor, and it was from 10 years ago, I would not hesitate to buy from him tomorrow, and neither will the rest of his customers that have had good relations with him.

You say he is lucky you are not charging him 10 year of interest on your money!

I say that after 10 years, you are lucky that you had a second chance (that most of us dont get) to find Mike, and try to get some kind of closure. So after 10 years of getting absolutely nothing, for you to say you would not accept a 50% refund if offered and atleast get some small amount of satisfaction is foolish.

I am not saying it is the solution you want, but may be the best to put this thing to rest, unless you have countless hours and days to spend on here saying the same thing and holding the same thing in your hand at the end as when you started. (NOTHING)

If it were me $87.50 in this economy goes alot further the $0

Your choice and just my opinion.
 
Mike,

I will say the same to you. It may not be the result you are looking for but share the blame 50/50 and atleast offer to give him half. If he chooses not to accept, then so be it.
 
mikeyt said:
Mike,

I will say the same to you. It may not be the result you are looking for but share the blame 50/50 and atleast offer to give him half. If he chooses not to accept, then so be it.
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I'm casting a vote for 50/50 as well. It's not enough money for the amount to be important, and neither of you seem to me to have a strong enough case for 100%.

Go halves, get on with your lives, end the discussion.
 
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