Mike Shoemaker - Rebel Dragons BAD GUY

[critical bill]

Best effort to recover any funds from the sellers account my sisters fat ass!!! And her ass is HUGE!!!!

PayPal just excused themselves from doing absolutely nothing which is what they do all the time when situations like this evolve anyway.

 

[BrandonB]

i think im going to stop posting on here there are alot of disgruntal people on here, with good reason but I cant really handle it all. sorry to much for me and with my perosnal life caring for a disabled parent as well as being scammed out of christmas money for ym kid. i just want to this to be over. thx anyhow weveryone

jacklyne volpe

Jacklyne,

From the start it was obvious you had not even bothered to take a look at the forum rules. In the interest of the other members we (and by we I mean the moderators) were just asking you read them and stay on topic. After SEVERAL warnings you refused to follow the rules until your posts were deleted.

You, unfortunately, have contributed little because of your failure to follow the rules. This may be harsh, but I have had trouble reading each and every post you made made because of poor grammar and spelling and not just that but poor post structure.

I think we're just a little irritated and on edge about this whole situation. All I'm trying to say is the only reason you're getting "the cold shoulder" so to speak is because of your unwillingness to follow the rules.

Again, I'm not trying to be harsh, mean or anything of the sort but this wouldn't be a problem if you'd read.

/Rant.
/Hopes I don't get a warning.

 

[SPJ]

Where is their so-called $2,000 buyer protection that they always tout?

Paypal get's their fees but screw anyone who tries to get a refund. Can't they at least refund the fees they got for this transaction to the buyer? It may not be much but at least it would be something.

The only ones who benefit from using Paypal are the theives and Paypal.

Paypal SUCKS.

I just got this email today regarding a complaint I made with them.
They have nothing but EXCUSES.

Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:28:50 +0000 (GMT)
From: [email protected] Add to Address Book Add Mobile Alert
To: "Steve Jordanides" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Disputes (Routing Code: C840-L001-T13021-S111-W00L000) NR NR SNAD (KMM19741234I96L0KM) pk1

Dear Steve Jordanides,

Thank you for contacting PayPal. We apologize for the delay in
responding to your service request.

Unfortunately, we are unable to determine the nature of your inquiry.
In
order to better assist you, we need you to provide us with the buyer
/seller's email address, along with a case number or other pertinent
information pertaining to this case. We do apologize for any
inconvenience.

Thank you for your cooperation and we look forward to your reply.

If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact us
again.

Sincerely,
Flora
Protection Services Department
PayPal, an eBay Company

Original Message Follows:
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So........Paypal collects their fee, the seller takes my money, and I
get NO HELP?
Where is the buyer protection for using your service!!!!!

[email protected] wrote:
Dear Steve Jordanides,

Thank you for contacting PayPal.

PayPal understands your concern and desire to resolve the dispute in
question. However, once a Buyer Complaint claim has been canceled, it
is
considered resolved and cannot be reopened.

Should you have the need to file another claim in the future, we
suggest
that you do not cancel the claim until you have received the
merchandise
or a refund.

We encourage you to continue to work with the seller for a mutual
resolution. You may also wish to seek other avenues of resolution such
as an auction website if one was used to conduct this transaction. We
value your business and regret that you have had this experience. To
avoid similar experiences in the future, visit the PayPal Security
Center by clicking the "Security Center" link in the upper right-hand
corner of any PayPal webpage.

Thank you for your cooperation.

Sincerely,
Chris
Protection Services Department
PayPal, an eBay Company

Original Message Follows:
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I do not care about valid tracking numbers.
He DID NOT provide what I paid for.
This needs to be escalated. Where is my buyer protection!?


[email protected] wrote:
Dear Steve Jordanides,

Thank you for contacting PayPal.

The seller has provided valid tracking information for the dispute you
are in regards to.

Please be advised that you will need to contact the seller for further
information regarding your case.

We value your business and regret that you have had this experience. To

avoid similar experiences in the future, we recommend that you read our

Buyer Complaint Policy at https://www.paypal.com/bcp or copy and paste
the entire link into the address bar.

If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact us.

Sincerely,
Tricia
Protection Services Department
PayPal, an eBay Company

Original Message Follows:
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Form Message
customer subject: Never got what was paid for
customer message: Additional Information: 'The case below was closed
when he provided a tracking number. Big mistake. I never got what I
paid
for. I am demanding a refund from him.

Non-receipt - Case ID: PP-###-###-###
Dispute Closed: ##/##/#### ##:## PDTLearn more
Transaction ID: ##V#####L#######K
Seller Name & Email: josh sharp, mushu####@aol.com
Transaction Amount: -$###.## USD
Transaction Date: ##/##/#### ##:## PDT'

 

[dsirkle]

You may have lost all your money but be assured that you are safe using Paypal. Har dee har har!

 

[Tere Salazar]

Well, it looks like PayPal made their decision in my favor, except, it looks like there are NO funds left in Mike's account to refund our money. Nowhere in PayPal's email to me does it say that they will find him and prosecute him. This is just sick!! I've seen numerous posts to switch from PayPal to Google. DO IT!

Marianna

Resolution of Buyer Complaint Case # PP-377-078-395
From: [email protected]

Sent:Thu 12/13/07 8:34 PM


Dear M Bater, After careful review, we have concluded our investigation of the BuyerComplaint described below. We have decided in your favor, however, we were unable to recover any fundsfrom the seller's account. As stated in the PayPal User Agreement, recoveryof funds associated with a Buyer Complaint cannot be guaranteed. Please know that we will make our best effort to recover the funds inquestion if they become available in the seller's account in the future andwill take appropriate action against the seller. Such action may includeissuing a warning, a temporary restriction, or terminating the account.Keep in mind that PayPal uses a number of factors to determine when to takeaction, including member complaints. Due to privacy laws, we cannot discussthe details of any action taken. We hope you understand our policy and thatit assures you that you are safe using PayPal.
-----------------------------------Transaction Details----------------------------------- Transaction Date: Nov 25, 2007
Transaction Amount: -$387.68 USD
Your Transaction ID: 59G83308RU251625M
Seller's Transaction ID: 58203847XT226210A
Case Number: PP-377-078-395
Seller's Name: sherry shoemaker
Seller's Email: [email protected] -----------------------------------What to Do Next-----------------------------------
This case is now closed. No further action is required by you at this time. -----------------------------------Other Details----------------------------------- To make sure future transactions proceed smoothly, we suggest you visit thePayPal site and click the Security Center link located at the bottom of anypage. There you will find tips on how to avoid fraudulent sellers in the"Fraud Prevention Tips for Buyers" section. Sincerely,PayPalProtection Services Department Please do not reply to this email. This mailbox is not monitored and youwill not receive a response. For assistance, log in to your PayPal accountand click the Help link located in the top right corner of any page. Ifyour inquiry is regarding a claim, log in to your PayPal account and go tothe Resolution Center.
BCP-377-078-395:R2:USD387.68:12022007:59G83308RU251625M ---------------------------------------------------------------- PayPal Email ID PP805

You know what makes me so sick about this? I probably helped him spend YOUR money when I took him shopping and helped him move into his new apartment. Boy's he's living high on the hog now, huh?

I am absolutely disgusted.

Marianna, I'm so sorry. I do hope you're still intending to file a police report.

And thank you for answering my earlier question. That would certainly explain it...I mean, besides that I just couldn't figure it out!

 

[Ginger Ambrose]

Well, I too thought I "knew" Mike. Not really well but as a computer friend. I stood up for him on occasion. I believed that this was a "man" that was in need. Need of friends, understanding, a shoulder. I was never in a position to help in a monetary manner so I guess I was saved that heartbreak. I am just so saddened to see the true person. I truly believed he was a good guy. I have read every word of this thread and am sick.
To Tere, in no way should you feel any blame. You too were being used and manipulated. Mike, is the only one that has bought our disgust.......I just hope he also pays for it in the most distressing manner.
Due to my current status I cannot revoke my vote on his "good guy" certification, if I could I would have after reading the first post of this thread.
I am proud of all of those that have stepped forward to help. I see heros.
Ginger Ambrose

 

[Cheryl Marchek AKA JM]

Thats pretty much the same letter I got when I was ripped off. There is no money in the account so Paypal is done~ Closed the dispute~ suck it (not their words~ but pretty much what it says)

Your not getting that money back~ I'm sorry.
Try prosecuting Mike
Hate Paypal
And be glad the people here cared enough to take up a fund to help you through~ at least there will be something for Christmas~ even if it's not everything that was stolen from you. I'm so sorry this happened to you.

 

[Tere Salazar]

Well, I too thought I "knew" Mike. Not really well but as a computer friend. I stood up for him on occasion. I believed that this was a "man" that was in need. Need of friends, understanding, a shoulder. I was never in a position to help in a monetary manner so I guess I was saved that heartbreak. I am just so saddened to see the true person. I truly believed he was a good guy. I have read every word of this thread and am sick.
To Tere, in no way should you feel any blame. You too were being used and manipulated. Mike, is the only one that has bought our disgust.......I just hope he also pays for it in the most distressing manner.
Due to my current status I cannot revoke my vote on his "good guy" certification, if I could I would have after reading the first post of this thread.
I am proud of all of those that have stepped forward to help. I see heros.
Ginger Ambrose

Thank you, Ginger. I wish I could get past that feeling, but it just doesn't seem to want to go away. I keep thinking I should have asked where the money came from, but I didn't think it was my business, and I would have probably just gotten a lie in response, anyway...but, still. You know what they say about hindsight...

As for heros, I have never been more proud to be part of this community than I am now, from Dennis Hultman having the wherewithall to realize these people needed to be notified, to everyone who's pitched in to help these folks. I'm amazed, and so grateful.

 

[nueb]

It has little to do with people being disgruntled and more to do with your unwillingness to read and follow the few rules in place in regards to posting on the BOI.
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im still confused on what the BOI is. I am not a frequent user of this forum. Look Im not trying to disrupt your guys little site or whatever I was simply given a link here somehow figured out how to register and I am just trying to get my son a damn christams gift! thx anyhow

jacklyne volpe

 

[deborahbroadus]

It has little to do with people being disgruntled and more to do with your unwillingness to read and follow the few rules in place in regards to posting on the BOI.
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im still confused on what the BOI is. I am not a frequent user of this forum. Look Im not trying to disrupt your guys little site or whatever I was simply given a link here somehow figured out how to register and I am just trying to get my son a damn christams gift! thx anyhow

jacklyne volpe

I can understand you being pissed off. In your shoes, I might be going "hunting." However, I have learned to try not to displace my anger onto those that are trying to help (sometimes I actually succeed).

That said, use of words such as "little" site and cursing aren't very helpful in your situation.

Take a deep breath and start over.

 

[nueb]

I can understand you being pissed off. In your shoes, I might be going "hunting." However, I have learned to try not to displace my anger onto those that are trying to help (sometimes I actually succeed).

That said, use of words such as "little" site and cursing aren't very helpful in your situation.

Take a deep breath and start over.

your taking it out of context it wasnt ment as an insult

 

[deborahbroadus]

Ah, ok. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[redsox-fan]

You know what makes me so sick about this? I probably helped him spend YOUR money when I took him shopping and helped him move into his new apartment. Boy's he's living high on the hog now, huh?

I am absolutely disgusted.

Marianna, I'm so sorry. I do hope you're still intending to file a police report.

And thank you for answering my earlier question. That would certainly explain it...I mean, besides that I just couldn't figure it out!

Tere,

Don't feel bad about ANYTHING! You were trying to be nice to someone and they ripped you off. It's NOT your fault! You would have no way of knowing he was spending money that he stole. And as far as living high on the hog...4$4300 is only going to go so far!

The police came by my office today to get the information to file a report. I wanted to wait until I had all the information from Ebay and PayPal. As far as I can tell, the "case closed" indication from PayPal means that I won't be hearing another d@#m thing from them. When you filed the police report in Tuscon, did they give you a case #? I would like to forward that information to my PD.

Have a good day!

Marianna

 

[nueb]

I talked to paypal and checked my account they still have my case open and told me they still are reviewing it. if he doesn have any funds why would they just not close the case?

jacklyne volpe

 

[Tere Salazar]

Tere,

Don't feel bad about ANYTHING! You were trying to be nice to someone and they ripped you off. It's NOT your fault! You would have no way of knowing he was spending money that he stole. And as far as living high on the hog...4$4300 is only going to go so far!

The police came by my office today to get the information to file a report. I wanted to wait until I had all the information from Ebay and PayPal. As far as I can tell, the "case closed" indication from PayPal means that I won't be hearing another d@#m thing from them. When you filed the police report in Tuscon, did they give you a case #? I would like to forward that information to my PD.

Have a good day!

Marianna

They most certainly did, Marianna. That number is 0712070463. I believe Jacklyne also posted her police report number, and that would be another good one to forward along.

I'm so glad you understand, but I still just want to puke over the whole thing. It's just wrong on SOOOOO many levels.

 

[Tere Salazar]

I talked to paypal and checked my account they still have my case open and told me they still are reviewing it. if he doesn have any funds why would they just not close the case?

jacklyne volpe

Jacklyne-

Didn't they already give him his time to respond? I thought they had to decide the case, one way or the other, once there was or was not a response from him. Go figure.

 

[Tere Salazar]

Okay...I'll only make one more post in a row...promise.

Guys, I know that we are all expected to follow the rules here, and I have absolutely NO problem with that. I'm not making excuses for anyone, nor am I asking for special favors for anyone.

I would like to make one request, however. There are some folks CONTRIBUTING to this thread who are hurting from more things than just Mike stealing from them. Can we please refrain from attacking them on a personal level?

Thank you.

 

[nueb]

Jacklyne-

Didn't they already give him his time to respond? I thought they had to decide the case, one way or the other, once there was or was not a response from him. Go figure.

Yes that is what I was told via phone before, but I checked my acocunt to day and it shows it still open so I called and basically they just told me they are still reviewing my case?? I dont think pay pal knows what they are doing.

Jacklyne Volpe

 

[crotalusadamanteus]

Board Of Inquiry RULES For any who couldn't locate them.

Jacklyne, We are a self policing community of reptile enthusiasts. Hence the warnings and such. Out of 50 or so Forums on this site, this is the only one with such requirements. No hard feelings meant at all. You took heed, it's all good IMO. But if you haven't already, you may want to go over the rules in the link above.


As for the PayPal thing. Sounds like they are going to pull the same crap on you as everyone else. If there aren't any funds in Mikes account, they are going to do their best to not have to dig into their own pocket.

Pretty lousy attitude to have though. I think I'll check out that Google check out and see how that works.

 

[Tere Salazar]

I think I'll check out that Google check out and see how that works.

That makes two of us. As soon as my .02 payment goes through, I'm out of there after the way they've treated you guys...and that goes for Ebay, too.

Thank you for showing Jacklyne where the rules are. I know when I first posted here, there was a lot to learn, and I tried...but still, to this day, mess it up sometimes.