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Morph King Mojaves

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I was curious if anyone actually ordered and received one of the mojaves Morph King Reptiles was advertising for $800.00? When I contacted them about them, I was immediately told they already sold the "50" they had marked for this price. I was then quickly directed to the fact that I really didn't want one of these anyway since they were only for people who couldn't afford the lesser platinum. The lesser was what I wanted since it's the key to everything. I purchased nothing. Just curious about anyone else's dealing's with them.
 
morph king reptiles

rick,i have never ordered anything from morph king reptiles nor will i ever.who in there right mind would buy from an outfit like this.when you buy a ball python morph you are making an investment,therefor you are expecting to make a reasonable profit when your balls mature and reproduce.you do not want to have to compete with someone who has no regards towards your investment,and just slashes and under cuts everyone elses prices and breeding strategies.a good deal is one thing, but being a snake whore is something altogeather different.morph king reptiles is on my DO NOT BUY FROM LIST ! :hot:
 
wow

RJBILBY said:
I was just wondering if this was the old bait and switch routine?????????????
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I doubt its the old bait and switch.Although the comment they made by saying they were for people who could not afford there other snakes was a poor excuse.If thats how the feel now about Mojave's whats next butters,DH albino pieds :rolleyes: .I myself would never even think about even buying rodents from someone who thinks this way.I wonder how they would feel if someone did infact sell Mojave's at the same time but lower price then theirs. :hehe:
 
Lesser and Mojave

I have just bought a 1.0 Lesser Platinum and a 0.1 Mojave. I understand why people are upset. It bothers me when I go into Home Depot, we used to have a great hardware store just down the street. Walmart, how can you compete with them? MKR is selling for 1/2 the price of other breeders prices. Will it continue? I don't know. But I will shop around for the best deal I can get . It might be at the bar at the Hilton in Daytona or MKR or one of you. Good luck to you all and may your clutches be fertile.
 
check out reptile auctions . . .

I was just wondering if this was the old bait and switch routine?????????????

Morph King has their mojaves for sale on reptile auctions for a starting bid of 800$ with no reserve beyond the starting bid.
Therefore I can only assume that they have some available since there are still some available on this auction.
Jessica Diebold
 
I just looked through all of the Ball Pythons on Reptile Auctions, and I don't see MKR selling anything.....or any Mohaves at all?
 
my bad . . .

Yeah, i noticed that they were not there this AM after i posted. They were there last evening but were either sold or the ads were pulled.
Sorry!
The starting bid was 800$ and i saw two had different bidders that had bid 800 yesterday afternoon.
I was tempted myself ;-)
Jessica Diebold
 
buckskin said:
I have just bought a 1.0 Lesser Platinum and a 0.1 Mojave. I understand why people are upset. It bothers me when I go into Home Depot, we used to have a great hardware store just down the street. Walmart, how can you compete with them? MKR is selling for 1/2 the price of other breeders prices. Will it continue? I don't know. But I will shop around for the best deal I can get . It might be at the bar at the Hilton in Daytona or MKR or one of you. Good luck to you all and may your clutches be fertile.
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I don't quiet follow your post. At once you seem to be opposed to the undercutting by referencing Home Depot and your local hardware store. Then you bring up Walmart and who can compete with them. Then you say you will shop around for the best deal you can get. Is it that you have decided the heck with it, its inevitable so why should I be the martyr with my money? Or are you seriously bothered by it but just get over it when the cash register rings up that cheaper price.
 
Buckskin, you just bought a $2500 Lesser from MKR? How ya gonna feel when he's selling his lessers for $800 a few months from now? Will it still be a "good deal" then?
 
I have to say I was pretty pissed when I saw his prices. I have been in the industry for a few years now. I have spent a ton of time and money on my animals and finally got everything to size and bred them... Now I am selling mojaves, spiders, etc... and it is impossible to compete with a company who will undercut you by half!!! Even if you bring your prices that low, which hopefully I never have to if everyone else in the industry doesn't, then there is a strong chance they will cut the price in half again to the point where your animals and his animals are worth nothing. Why do that? Keep them the going price and everyone will sell everything eventually.
 
I imagine this is a less then popular belief, but I say good for them.

If the market needs to be adjusted, then adjust it. There are so many morphs that are priced online much higher then they actually sell for. How many people think his mojaves were selling at the 4-5000 price I seen them at last season? I dont believe they were, as had they been he wouldnt have had 50 of them lying around.

Yes it sucks if you had just purchased a mojave and the price is suddenly cut in half or more. However that is the way of the free market. Whats he supposed to do sit on them all untill someone else realizes that the markets saturated and does the same thing.

If you honestly believe you will get 25% of what you paid for a morphs offspring then you may need to re-think your business model. Ive always gone into a morph purchase with the thinking, if I am able to repay the purchase price within two seasons of breeding Im ahead of the game. Say you purchased a mojave male late two years ago, or early last season and paid 5000$ for it. Were it to breed say 4 females the first year, each netting 6 babies, and half were mojaves. Thats 12 mojaves. Now if you get 800$ ea on them you have made 9600 in sales. Thats not bad.

I run a specialty pet shop, and I can assure you 99.99999% of the country would never ever ever EVER EVER consider spending more then a couple of hundred dollars on any snake no matter its genetics. Sooner or later all of the morphs prices will drop, and dom / co dom stuff is going to drop much more quickly then anyting else.

All I can say, is if you think 800$ is too low for mojaves you can do one of two things. Wake up to the reality in a market or buy up all the current available stock to try and hedge the future prices. I can think of atleast 20 different boa or ball python morhps that will DROP LIKE ROCKS in the very near future, can you.
 
I have to agree with Mickey, 100%.

It is all supply and demand. It happens with everything from snow corns through snow balls. The bottom line for all these morphs and produced snakes is the retail pet shop, at $99.99.

Many people who have never been in the snake industry have jumped in, and in a few years have made hundreds of thousands of dollars. Great for them, but it doesn't mean we can all or should plan that way.

If you look at all the long term super producers, they took 20 years to get there name and a lot of them did it on corns, kings, boas, and burms. Many people still make a good living on corns even though they wholesale for 7-10 each for the base morphs.

And just becuase one guy blows the market out of the water doesn't mean you can't get more for your animal. 2 years ago I couldn't sell a snow corn to the public for $7 each, or for $5 in 100 lots, but this year I had almost 1000 animals sold before they had there first sheds done and had some dealers get in a price war and double my normal price.

I routinely get $300 for my female het albino boas, even though market price is a hundred becuase I market them, give some customer care, and spend time making the sale.

Five years ago many breeders though they would pay for there adults and the first couple of years of food with the first litter and make a profit after that. However, today people are teary eyed and think they are headed for the poor house if they don't make $50 grand on a trio of balls.

If making $5 grand, 10 ten grand or more is the only reason you are in these snakes they you must be ready to accept the loss. All investments, real estate, stock market, baseball cards whatever all have a chance of loosing there value-its no different that ball morphs. And if you are a real business that is above board then a loss every now and again helps you pay less taxes!

If you are in it for the snakes and the hobby then it shouldn't matter if they only pay for themselves or their food or make you money-you'll be happy with it either way.

Thanks
ben
 
Mickey_TLK said:
I imagine this is a less then popular belief, but I say good for them.

If the market needs to be adjusted, then adjust it. There are so many morphs that are priced online much higher then they actually sell for. How many people think his mojaves were selling at the 4-5000 price I seen them at last season? I dont believe they were, as had they been he wouldnt have had 50 of them lying around.

Yes it sucks if you had just purchased a mojave and the price is suddenly cut in half or more. However that is the way of the free market. Whats he supposed to do sit on them all untill someone else realizes that the markets saturated and does the same thing.

If you honestly believe you will get 25% of what you paid for a morphs offspring then you may need to re-think your business model. Ive always gone into a morph purchase with the thinking, if I am able to repay the purchase price within two seasons of breeding Im ahead of the game. Say you purchased a mojave male late two years ago, or early last season and paid 5000$ for it. Were it to breed say 4 females the first year, each netting 6 babies, and half were mojaves. Thats 12 mojaves. Now if you get 800$ ea on them you have made 9600 in sales. Thats not bad.

I run a specialty pet shop, and I can assure you 99.99999% of the country would never ever ever EVER EVER consider spending more then a couple of hundred dollars on any snake no matter its genetics. Sooner or later all of the morphs prices will drop, and dom / co dom stuff is going to drop much more quickly then anyting else.

All I can say, is if you think 800$ is too low for mojaves you can do one of two things. Wake up to the reality in a market or buy up all the current available stock to try and hedge the future prices. I can think of atleast 20 different boa or ball python morhps that will DROP LIKE ROCKS in the very near future, can you.
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One of the best posts I have seen on this forum in a couple of years. Brilliantly said Mickey
 
if it dont sell

If it doesnt sell-just keep it an breed it--do you have any idea how well albino ball pythons will sell when they are $500!?--what about mojaves for $250?-or pieds or ivorys for $1000--you would not be able to produce enough of them--mickeys math is pretty good--if you work hard and produce animals, your return is still excellent--better than most other investments-Ben Siegel
 
Other criteria by which to judge them

Do they offer good customer support before and after purchase? For example, do they give you the information you need to successfully raise and breed the snakes they have sold? Do they share with you how they have their breeders set-up? Do they share with you their thoughts on what morphs will retain value the best? Is the quality of the animals they produce above average?

If the answer is yes to the above, regarding any breeder, then I suggest they should have something favorable said about them. I have dealt with Morph King, and they were easy to reach, hospitable, and generous with information, even before I bought.

What needs to be understood is that whether you have 1000 people breeding 10 snakes each, or 100 people breeding 100 snakes each, the market (individual snake price) will go down. So some of the big breeders are producing as many snakes as 10-20 individual hobbyists could produce, that many snakes would still be produced in either case.

It's my impression that Morph King is a business that is focused on one species of snake, and trying to make money at the captive reproduction of that species in a market in which a lot of other people are trying to do the same thing. Perhaps they are as well-versed as anybody about business economics.

The ball python market and perhaps the corn snake markets are new paradigms in the captive breeding arena. Who could have anticipated these events 15-20 years ago (Companies buying millions of dollars of snakes and breeding them in large quantities)? I don't think it's necessarily bad, but if you are getting into the market, you need to know that supply and demand are scientific principles. We would all like to buy a $1000 snake and then in the next few years produce 10 of those and then sell them for $1000 each and make $9,000 profit. But it just doesn't work that way.

You will find other Morph King posts, and they are mostly positive.

Thank you for reading.

Doug
 
They seem to be a snake (puppy) mill to me. Some business are in it for the animals as well as the money and some are just in it for the money.
 
As they say it's only worth what someone will pay for it..
If their prices are lower than yours and they are selling animals and your not it should tell you something..Randy
 
Pretty much the same sentiments I posted in the related thread. I agree with Mickey, and Ben. Those that think that the price is wrong, and evil, and undercutting "real" breeders if you think that they are worth $1200 or whatever, why not buy them all and then sell them for the price they should be. Talk about an instant windfall, the breeding, and everything is already done all that's left to do is sell them for a nice profit.
 
Otter_23 said:
They seem to be a snake (puppy) mill to me. Some business are in it for the animals as well as the money and some are just in it for the money.
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As long as the "mill" is producing healthy quality animals I do not see the problem. Bottom line is that all of us who do this large scale have to be in it for the money as wrll as the love of the hobby.
 
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