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Need opinions on a bad deal with Tim Bowles of Arboreals of the Rainforest!!!

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I dont think he sold it, Why would someone buy his snake when they could of had a better looking snake for the same price from Jeff hudson, his ad was just 2 ads below Tims, I think Bobby pruett ended up with it and probably got it fronted to him for $2500
 
jim scharphorn said:
I dont think he sold it, Why would someone buy his snake when they could of had a better looking snake for the same price from Jeff hudson, his ad was just 2 ads below Tims, I think Bobby pruett ended up with it and probably got it fronted to him for $2500
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So what does any of this have to do with the point of this thread?
 
Ghi Reptiles said:
You have a good idea of what happened Randy because I heard from a few people that they e-mailed him and the e-mails were not positive. I believe it was already sold, she went out on a breeding loan, or it was a total chops busting move. If it was the latter.....wow good one huh?

Hey how much did she sell for and who did she go to? My guess is nothing and nobody.
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heya Matt.. how many times have you been told that "I heard" statements aren't really the par for this website?
 
So what does any of this have to do with the point of this thread?
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More than your playing thread sheriff does. We all realize that you and 'Honest Tim' are buddy buddy and you have made it your job to save him but Jim's post is fine.

heya Matt.. how many times have you been told that "I heard" statements aren't really the par for this website?
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Once that I can recall. Are you the new moderator? If I say I heard there is a leucistic Emerald out there for sale, am I suppose to say who told me, when, where,and by what method? If I did my sources for buying animals would be given up. Sorry sheriff it doesn't fly with me. There was nothing wrong with my statement.

Now....do you know who bought the $7,000.00 emerald Scotty? They should definately be warned about the potential danger of that animal. She was sick when I got her and like I said I know your friend Tim started to treat her after her return to him. Let us all know Scotty if you find out who purchased her and as always your opinions are welcome.

Thanks for taking the time to answer!
 
Ghi Reptiles said:
More than your playing thread sheriff does. We all realize that you and 'Honest Tim' are buddy buddy and you have made it your job to save him but Jim's post is fine.
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well.. I wasn't playing sherrif.. I was asking a question into the revelance in the thread. Isn't that was a discussion forum is for

Once that I can recall. Are you the new moderator? If I say I heard there is a leucistic Emerald out there for sale, am I suppose to say who told me, when, where,and by what method? If I did my sources for buying animals would be given up. Sorry sheriff it doesn't fly with me. There was nothing wrong with my statement.
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how would bringing up a leucistic emerald be revelant to this thread? This board.. if I am not mistaken is about the passing of facts so people can make an informed discussion. Am I correct with this assumption?

Now....do you know who bought the $7,000.00 emerald Scotty? They should definately be warned about the potential danger of that animal. She was sick when I got her and like I said I know your friend Tim started to treat her after her return to him. Let us all know Scotty if you find out who purchased her and as always your opinions are welcome.

Thanks for taking the time to answer!
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Never said I knew who bought it. Isn't this thread about warning people of the potential danger? I have no personal interest if finding out who purchased the snake.. so.. I could care less who bought her.. and I will not look into it.
 
I saw the ad and would definitely agree that that female was not a $7K animal. Possibly a $3K Basin if in perfect health and a large 6 or 7 footer...$7000...no way! It didn't have a thick stripe or perfect diamonds,etc., and the white I saw was that "off-white", chalky looking, dotted kind of stripe.
John
 
Scott,, This thread is about a scam rip off person Tim Bowels of the rainforest My post was much closer to this thread than anything you have said ! Maybe you better go back and re read my post and then read yours. And I think that it should be known who bought this snake from Tim Because I for one would not want to buy any of the offspring from that female because of the potential virus or any other snakes in the persons collection because the person that bought it will not have it checked, because they probably do not know about it.


The snake probably died in Tims possesion and he made it look like he sold it.. But we as consumers and collectors need to know were this thing went to protect ourselves and others.
 
jim scharphorn said:
Scott,, This thread is about a scam rip off person Tim Bowels of the rainforest My post was much closer to this thread than anything you have said ! Maybe you better go back and re read my post and then read yours. And I think that it should be known who bought this snake from Tim Because I for one would not want to buy any of the offspring from that female because of the potential virus or any other snakes in the persons collection because the person that bought it will not have it checked, because they probably do not know about it.


The snake probably died in Tims possesion and he made it look like he sold it.. But we as consumers and collectors need to know were this thing went to protect ourselves and others.
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So.. are we now going to post to this thread each and every time Tim makes a transaction?
 
Hey Scott.Normally I would answer your question with a no.However,when Tim Boyles
decided to send out a deathly
sick and infectious animal
to a fellow herper I think he crossed the line as to what
should be accepted by the reptile community.Everyone
SHOULD know what has come and
gone out of Arboreals of the Rainforest and Tim Bowles for their own protection.If you've bothered to read up on paramyxo you would know that
it is a very dangerous and
insideous thing that could be spread to alot of collections
before anyone detected what
they had."Typhoid Tim" then
goes on to post a $7000 ad on
kingsnake for a snake worth
$3500 tops and claims to have sold it in one day.What a
joke.Then he pushes it even
farther and posts"Thanks kingsnake, and "the gang"for
help with the sale.He may think he's funny,sly, and slick.A few other words come to my mind like lier,thief,and animal abuser.
Everyone deserves to know what he is selling,when, and to who.Tim "Paramyxo Bowles
has created this reality by his own actions and deeds, and he deserves everything
he gets.Anyone that knowingly
sends out sick animals has no business selling live creatures.Someone like that
has no respect for themselves,their customers,or
their animals.
 
So.. are we now going to post to this thread each and every time Tim makes a transaction?
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A transaction that seemed like a total scam from the begining......yeah people have the right to know. There were red flags all over it...7K?.....c'mon. Like 'Honest Tim' said to me...go ahead and sue me I am in Ohio and you are in Florida....you will never be able to collect. My deal was a few thousand dollar hit, imagine if someone had the same thing happen for 7K! All of this is just my opinion of course.
 
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So.. are we now going to post to this thread each and every time Tim makes a transaction?
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Yup !! Tim thinks this will blow over and then he can get back to his normal self.

I think not. he chose his bed now he can lie in it. It will never be over for Tim.

You are making yourself not look good by defending Tim.


If Tim was this good guy you try to make him out to be why would Tim not give me the chance to have my snake tested ?
 
If Tim was this good guy you try to make him out to be why would Tim not give me the chance to have my snake tested ?
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Well you stupid retard, I told you to have it tested long before you got your ars handed to you by my attorney and Ohio Law. (re-read our emails you Tool and the statutes that were forwarded to you by same attorney.)

You chose to break our contract by running your toothless mouth in these posts and in emails about withholding payments, lying about the animals where abouts and even threatened to kill it and turn it into a puker.

Now, like I said before, get her tested by a qualified Vet so you can finally shut your toothless stupid mouth once and for all.

I am daring you to please prove my point you TOOL.

What are you waiting for?

We are all waiting?

Are you waiting for the spread of the "PUKER" bug around your collection from your KNOWN PUKER before you test her?


C'mon TOOL, test her already. I am daring you to here in open public.

Put your money where you mouth is oh toothless one, get her tested.

You have had PLENTY of time by now or are you so broke that you still don't have a pot to peess in?

Oh that's right, she has a great feeding response and eats bi-weekly like clock work. How bad do you really have it TOOL? Wait, Oh my god, you were sent a feeding healthy animal that you saw in person. What a TOOL you are Jimbo.

We missed seeing you at the Michigan show. Why did you cancel all your future tables?

And as for you lame hypothetical rhetoric about the sale of my Basin Female and all the BS that your limp deeck smuggling friends want to spread, prove me otherwise. Please show facts and not IMHO "BS." Oh wait, without all that this thread wouldn't continue now would it Jimbo?

The new owner was forwarded this thread along with others and simply laughed at the amount of "BS" in it. He will make himself known soon enough and by his own doings. Matter of fact, he is known personally to several that frequent this forum.

It has also come to light that certain "smugglers caught in the act and narcked out all his buddies" is now spreading behind the scenes "IMHO BS" lies about Jeff Hudson and why he is all of a sudden selling his animals. The very same one that Jeff outed for killing the basin market and previously admitted to me that Jeff and Buddy G. were easy pickings with tons of cash. And that's why they got scammed on over inflated prices for run of the mill animals. Now I am sure that the guilty party will come here and say it's all lies, but what else could could he do. He has done it in the past and will most undoubtedly do it again.

All you figure it out. Here is a possible clue, "competition?"
 
This whole thread was started about the snake you sent Matt. You are demanding Jim post proof, well Matt has. What are you going to do about it?

By the way, are you still in JR. High, calling Jim a tool? Please, not very mature and not gonna help you one bit.
 
OK, the name calling in this thread will cease NOW.

I don't have time to read each and every post in this thread to look for such things, but a brief scan did turn up more than it's share in here. I might as well just assess warning points to everyone in here rather than try to pick out the worst ones.

Any other incidences of name calling, abusive language, either outright or implied, or downright flippant behavior will garner the offender an EXCESSIVE FLAMES warning, which is a 6 pointer. It won't take a whole lot of those before you are gone from here, so please proof read your messages carefully.

I am NOT joking.
 
It has also come to light that certain "smugglers caught in the act and narcked out all his buddies" is now spreading behind the scenes "IMHO BS" lies about Jeff Hudson and why he is all of a sudden selling his animals. The very same one that Jeff outed for killing the basin market and previously admitted to me that Jeff and Buddy G. were easy pickings with tons of cash. And that's why they got scammed on over inflated prices for run of the mill animals. Now I am sure that the guilty party will come here and say it's all lies, but what else could could he do. He has done it in the past and will most undoubtedly do it again.
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Watch the 'smugglers caught in the act' comment because that is a lie and you are definately slanderous or liable whichever one you want to add to your current problem.

Now as far as Jeff is concerned I don't know why he is selling animals but he told me months ago he was buying property and was selling animals then to raise funds for that so maybe he is doing the same now. And I do believe Jeff and Buddy were 'easy pickings' as you put it because they didn't know the market for Basins at the time and they were buying from a very, very good salesman. So your point is......?

Can I have a refund yet or you going to make this much more difficult then it really has to be. We both know what really transpired that day so why don't you make it right?

WAS IT REALLY WORTH IT?

All you figure it out. Here is a possible clue, "competition?"
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Competition?............from what you told me Jeff has NO competition and I wholehartedly believe that.

This thread is about me wanting opinions about a bad deal with Tim Bowles of Arboreals of the Rainforest not about your personal issues with Jim. Start a new thread if thats what you want to do.
 
Wow Tim,
your last post....all I can say is wow.
So you have your lawyer all over this guy.

I must ask you though....you are so confident with this snake...
I must aske you...........what about the snake that you injected with all those fluids?
What is up with that snake?
Why don't you post about that snake?
You are sitting there calling everyone a tool....and saying this and that about testing the snake.
Well why don't we discuss the OBVIOUSLY sick snake you sent matt.

oh I forgot. Your lawyer told you not to say anything about the obviously sick snake that you PURPOSELY sent out.

Funny how you got the balls to discuss everything else..
but you won't discuss the sick snake.



Hey here is one for you and your lawyer.
FACT...Arboreals of the rain forest sent out an obviously sick snake. FACT....Arboreals of the rain forest tried to hide the sickness of the snake by rehydrating the snake with subcutaneous injections. Therefore it is my opinion that the owner of Arboreals of the rain forest purposely sends out sick reptiles and then runs to his LAYER for cover



You chose to break our contract by running your toothless mouth in these posts and in emails about withholding payments, lying about the animals where abouts and even threatened to kill it and turn it into a puker.
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Wait a second.....you guys had a contract for him to not run his mouth?
I mean come on...he just ran his mouth about doing such things.
He is not in contract violation unless he does such things.
He can run his mouth about not paying you.
But he is not in contract violation until he really decides not to pay you.
You ran to your lawyer for breech of contract because he opened his mouth?

Also you are asking Jim to post proof?

Well this thread was started by Matthew and the SICK snake you PURPOSELY sent him.
And Matthew has posted proof.
What are you going to do about it?

Oh that is what I thought you SCAMMER
FACT is you scammed Matt. So my opinion is you are a SCAMMER
And since it is in my opinion that you are a SCAMMER,
I bleieve that NO ONE SHOULD DO BUSINESS WITH TIM OF ARBOREALS OF THE RAINFOREST.
 
Ghi Reptiles said:
Watch the 'smugglers caught in the act' comment because that is a lie and you are definately slanderous or liable whichever one you want to add to your current problem.

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What was it exactly that you got busted for? I've never heard the exact story from you.. I'd like to hear it
 
Tim, I had one snake puke once wow does that make it a known puker ? I cannot believe that you have to stoop so low and try to make me look like the bad guy to try and make yourslef look better and calling me a toothless what ever wow do you feel better ? And as far as the mich show I probably go to 2 shows a year because I can sell my stuff over the internet and do not have to go to the shows to sell it. I sell what I breed, not what someone else breeds or picks up in the wild.
And as far as getting the snake tested well if you knew how to read you would know why this snake is not tested yet.
And yes by calling me names you have just made yourself a very angry enemy !! and remember it does not take me that long to get to your house.LOL
I really wish I never paid for the snake. Your piece of a lawer is a nothing O'wait he is liecenced for patient stuff, maybe he could of did something for me. LOL

I will give you this one warning ! If you ever talk bad about me again I will sue you for slander !! Got it.
 
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What was it exactly that you got busted for? I've never heard the exact story from you.. I'd like to hear it
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Start your own thread or a-mail him in person

What does this have to do with this tread ?

This thread is about a known scam artest and sick animal seller
Tim Bowels of arbreals of the rain forrest.
 
jim scharphorn said:
Start your own thread or a-mail him in person

What does this have to do with this tread ?

This thread is about a known scam artest and sick animal seller
Tim Bowels of arbreals of the rain forrest.
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Since it was brought up earlier and replied to.. was just looking for a clearification. Also.. if this has been turned to an ethical debate.. I do think its relevant.. but.. not gonna push too hard to find out what happened..
 
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