Bad Guy Nicole Norton/Howlinn gale dragons,Bad guy very bad guy.

[spyder79]

Nicole you claimed this dragon was sick and died. how did you determine that it was sick?

And you portrayed this dragon as a sickly animal that tom sold you. So why dont you make your senile mind up. Everyone reading this knows you are a pos ed so why dont you drop it. Go hide behind your locked classifieds ads. I wish that feature didn't exist, its so sad you can hide from all the bs you have done. If you were a man you wouldnt lock your threads and let people know what kind of horrible businessman you truly are. Ed man you are pathetic and it is sad.

 

[capt._howdy]

Perhaps you have mistaken me for someone else? I am as honest as the day is long.

so that must mean im god then right. Ed your a known lier stop with the im innocent bull

 

[spyder79]

Then why is this "Sick Dragon that you got from Tom" suddenly "Perfectly Healthy, but only slightly underweight" (Which IS visible in the picture you keep posting)??

Perhaps before you proclaim yourself as "Honest" you should get all your lies straightened out...[/QUOT

I did not have that dragon long enough to do any tests to determine if it was sick or not. I took Nicole's word that he was sick.

That is why I want to know why she said he is sick.I also want to know why she said a hypo trans also was sick.

You sir are full of crap. Your web of redundant lies is really getting rediculous.

 

[Ed Clark]

Negative Demanded a Refund after 6 MONTHS- Complete temper tantrum. BUYER BEWARE BAD GUY Seller ReptileAddictions (2) 02-28-2010

above is a bad trader rating left for Nicole after she tried to rob another member.

She is trying to scam me the same way.

I sold here some dragons on credit then when I asked when can she pay she takes a huge temper tantrum saying this dragon was sick and died and she will not pay.

She had this dragon for over 8 months. I seen the smelly mess that she kept her dragons in and tell her to go pound sand then she runs here to start a bad guy thread on me.

Howling Gale Dragons/Nicole Norton is a person to NEVER buy anything from!

 

[Ed Clark]

And you portrayed this dragon as a sickly animal that tom sold you. So why dont you make your senile mind up. Everyone reading this knows you are a pos ed so why dont you drop it. Go hide behind your locked classifieds ads. I wish that feature didn't exist, its so sad you can hide from all the bs you have done. If you were a man you wouldnt lock your threads and let people know what kind of horrible businessman you truly are. Ed man you are pathetic and it is sad.

Thanks for the personal attack.

You and a few others choose to support Nicole, I will show you what a scammer she really is by posting proof here.

 

[spyder79]

Hey fine nicole is just as bad a person as you, thats not the issue. That picture you keep posting over and over was portrayed as an animal that died in your care shortly after you got it from tom. now we find out nicole had it for 8 months so what you should do is make a public apology to tom for your blatant lies about him. But you wont cause thats just not you is it you crooked pathetic lying scammer

Address the lies you made about tom or just stop posting here. Either way all you are doing is digging your hole deeper.

 

[ReptileJay]

Then why is this "Sick Dragon that you got from Tom" suddenly "Perfectly Healthy, but only slightly underweight" (Which IS visible in the picture you keep posting)??

Perhaps before you proclaim yourself as "Honest" you should get all your lies straightened out...[/QUOT

I did not have that dragon long enough to do any tests to determine if it was sick or not. I took Nicole's word that he was sick.

That is why I want to know why she said he is sick.I also want to know why she said a hypo trans also was sick.

If you're such an amazing "Breeder" Ed, you shouldn't have any problem telling whether or not a dragon is sick just by keeping it for a few days. I know that an initial inspection of an animal can determine (fairly accurately) the animal's health.

Might as well be honest Ed... was the dragon healthy or not??
If yes, why LIE about Tom?
If no, why sell/trade/loan out a sick dragon??

It's lose lose for you Ed... maybe a hint of honesty would have prevented you from eating your foot...

 

[Ed Clark]

Hey fine nicole is just as bad a person as you, thats not the issue. That picture you keep posting over and over was portrayed as an animal that died in your care shortly after you got it from tom. now we find out nicole had it for 8 months so what you should do is make a public apology to tom for your blatant lies about him. But you wont cause thats just not you is it you crooked pathetic lying scammer

Address the lies you made about tom or just stop posting here. Either way all you are doing is digging your hole deeper.

Brian you are assuming things that are not true.

I bought at least 5 hypo trans of various sizes from tom at that time period, 1 went up to Nicoles shortly after I picked them up
. she started complaining the hypo trans was sick. I told tom about the problems she was having.

She has always claimed it was sick, I took her word for it. after seeing the pic she took I seen good growth on it to lead me to believe it died well after it had a good start on life. I suspect it was because the way she kept raise ups in large groups in single cages....to say the least it was not an ideal situation for raising up dragons.

I have no problem making an apology to tom if I am wrong, thats what a man of my character does.

I took Nicoles word that both dragons were sick, I have asked her to show me some proof that both dragons that came from tom were actually sick.

Honestly I believe she was lying to get out of paying for any of the dragons I sent her on credit.

But you wont cause thats just not you is it you crooked pathetic lying scammer

Anymore personal attacks like this brian I will leave this thread for good.

 

[Ed Clark]

This is a pic of some Leos Nicole sent back for credit, I sold her a nice size group of leos I produced and raised up. she set them up then started getting many eggs then hatched some gorgeous babies.

She raised them up and started selling them to pet shops and online.she also sold alot of the breeders I sent her. after hearing all the money she was making on these I asked when do I get paid for the breeders I sent her on credit.she took a temper tantrum and did not talk to me for a couple days.

How I came about the returns is she said they were too much work that she would dump them on any pet shop that would take them. the male was a DH Enigma worth a small fortune. I told her to send them back to me so I sent her money to ship them back.

There were 7 returned 2 are doing good, I adult died and the 4 juvies are non feeders. I have been force feeding them to keep them alive to at least give them a chance.they actually look better in that pic then when they arrived here.

She let them go because they were to much work, by let go I mean she stopped feeding them.

 

[KelliH]

This is a pic of some Leos Nicole sent back for credit, I sold her a nice size group of leos I produced and raised up. she set them up then started getting many eggs then hatched some gorgeous babies.

She raised them up and started selling them to pet shops and online.she also sold alot of the breeders I sent her. after hearing all the money she was making on these I asked when do I get paid for the breeders I sent her on credit.she took a temper tantrum and did not talk to me for a couple days.

How I came about the returns is she said they were too much work that she would dump them on any pet shop that would take them. the male was a DH Enigma worth a small fortune. I told her to send them back to me so I sent her money to ship them back.

There were 7 returned 2 are doing good, I adult died and the 4 juvies are non feeders. I have been force feeding them to keep them alive to at least give them a chance.they actually look better in that pic then when they arrived here.

She let them go because they were to much work, by let go I mean she stopped feeding them.

Those geckos look horrible! Whichever of the two of you allowed those precious animals to get in that condition should be ashamed! Leopard geckos are hardy lizards; you truly have to neglect them for a long period of time for them to look that way.

 

[dragonluver83]

Brian you are assuming things that are not true.

I bought at least 5 hypo trans of various sizes from tom at that time period,

The 3 hypo trans never did good just picked a little at their food just enought to keep them alive for a while.

FOR 1: I thought it was three?

FOR 2: if the hypo trans never did good Why the following statement?

after seeing the pic she too I seen good growth on it to lead me to believe it died well after it had a good start on life.

You posted the above statement, BUT in a b.g. thread against me you said they were weak and barely thrived right.

I told tom about the problems she was having.

, There goes your word of honor, again.

I have no problem making an apology to tom if I am wrong, thats what a man of my character does.

So, are you wrong?

after seeing the pic she took I seen good growth on it to lead me to believe it died well after it had a good start on life.

The 3 hypo trans never did good just picked a little at their food just enought to keep them alive for a while.

Write these two statements on separate scrap pieces of paper and put them in a hat. pick one and tape it to your monitor and stay with one story.

I bought an adult male yellow leatherback from him that was a poor feeder, after doing a fecal I discovered it to be loaded with pinworms and coccidia. after receiving very long treatments he has made a full recovery and will soon be used as a breeder

The dragon was bought and paid for by me just for the breeder loan with Nicole, I drove over to toms to pick it up then sent it directly to Nicole.

I have yet to see anything to prove the dragon was sick, I took her word that it was sick.

Also put these two statements in a hat and do the same thing!

Didnt you also say,

I drove over to toms to pick it up then sent it directly to Nicole.

after doing a fecal I discovered it to be loaded with pinworms and coccidia. after receiving very long treatmentsr

Then How did you fecal and treat the animal if it was driven directly to nicoles??

 

[wyldwurm]

Originally Posted by Ed Clark
after doing a fecal I discovered it to be loaded with pinworms and coccidia. after receiving very long treatments

Thanks Tom...exactly the line I was looking for regarding my question about the dragon being in his possession.

Ed, you have some splainin' to do

 

[Ed Clark]

Those geckos look horrible! Whichever of the two of you allowed those precious animals to get in that condition should be ashamed! Leopard geckos are hardy lizards; you truly have to neglect them for a long period of time for them to look that way.

I received them from Nicole, her asking for a credit on the money that was owed me.

I'm assist feeding with almost no progress but I'm trying and have not given up on them. I sent her a group of high end Leos to get her started. she was in over her head with them fast.she was going to dump these off at any pet shop that would buy them, I told her to send them to me.

 

[Ed Clark]

Nicole you have said over and over these 2 dragons were/are sick. how do you know that?

You said that last summer so please no made up numbers, show a vet report.

 

[ozz465]

Ed stop trying to justify yourself . you have been caught lying time and time again .

 

[LauraB]

Big yawn.

It's all getting old and way over-dramatized and just stacking lie upon lie upon lie upon lie ... repetive photo upon repetitive photo and on and on and on (just like this sentence, lol).

Both of them are liars, both of them (Ed and Nicole) will twist and turn and ignore and convolute and deny and fabricate and fake and invent an answer for every question, every piece of evidence offered and every opposing opinion or view.

They both seem to thrive on the attention, they both seem to think they're smarter than everyone else, they both seem to believe that they are above reproach, above common decency and above professional honor, honesty and standards. They both exhibit very immature attitudes and behaviors.

Perhaps if the rest of us (myself included) just quit giving them the attention they so appear to desire, they will both shut up and we will be spared any further intellectual insults from either of them.
Frankly, I find them both boring, dishonorable and not worth any further attention.

No matter what is said or debated or offered as proof to their claims, there is no way to get past certain minds that are too closed or too clouded or too screwed up to change, or that can see/perceive it any other way but their own perverted sense of honor and "truth".

How about we all let them just shrink back to obscurity so they'll both be silent ... because in this case, their silence would truly be golden!

Mostly because we all know there will be more of the same crap in the future.

 

[TattooLost]

The bad thing is, people just keep coming back here and giving them the attention they want. I honestly am starting to think this is just some cooked up scheme by the two of them to try to discredit and ruin the BOI. They're making a mockery of the BOI with these two posts, and every just keeps buying into it and playing along. They're not going to provide any proof. They're not going to do anything other than try to get everyone to bash the other while they do the same.

They both have ruined their reputations to me, so why bother sitting here asking for answers from them? Just let it die and maybe they'll go away. They're like little kids... They need attention so bad, they'll settle for negative attention, just as long as someone is looking at them.

 

[ReptileJay]

What they most likely want IS for us to get tired of their misdirection and lies, and to let it die. As it has been pointed out in the past (and on other threads), "bad guys" don't generally want their "bad guy" threads on the front page of the BOI. They'd MUCH rather us ignore them, and allow the threads to fall.

These threads do not discredit the BOI in any way. The only people discredited are the parties involved. In my opinion, the BOI is doing its job perfectly.

 

[JudyC]

The bad thing is, people just keep coming back here and giving them the attention they want. I honestly am starting to think this is just some cooked up scheme by the two of them to try to discredit and ruin the BOI. They're making a mockery of the BOI with these two posts, and every just keeps buying into it and playing along. They're not going to provide any proof. They're not going to do anything other than try to get everyone to bash the other while they do the same.

They both have ruined their reputations to me, so why bother sitting here asking for answers from them? Just let it die and maybe they'll go away. They're like little kids... They need attention so bad, they'll settle for negative attention, just as long as someone is looking at them.

No, they're not going to provide any proof of what they say....they won't admit to the lies and idiocy. BUT...the point of the BOI isn't to force someone like Ed or Nicole to admit they're wrong....it's to SHOW the rest of the world their true nature. And it's doing that admirably well.

So, it may seem like we're feeding their need for attention...but in reality, we're keeping the truth of who they are in the "headlines" so more innocent people get a chance to see and understand.

 

[Lucille]

To me, it is the Dan Scolaro approach to problem solving. Be loud enough and abusive enough and people will eventually get tired of interacting and listening and the real issues will fall by the wayside.

But just as I would not order from him, at this point because of their behaviors I would not order from either of them. Ever.