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Bad Guy Perfect Predators..unreliable

HighVoltageRoyals said:
Inquiry threads have dual purposes; you can use them to ask about particular people/businesses and you can also post not so satisfactory experiences that don't necessarily deserve a full blown bad guy thread but still deserve some mentioning, which is what has been done in the past on this forum and where I personally think this scenario belongs.
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Perhaps you're confusing "Inquiry" with "Info"? Either way, it's a bit of semantics that I feel is irrelevant.

HighVoltageRoyals said:
I'm not saying that he is in the right or that you are in the wrong by any stretch of the imagination, I just don't think it fully deserves a bad guy thread especially considering the fact that he offered to give you a full refund without you asking for it.
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"Bad Guy" is a subjective term, which carries different meanings for different people. You may feel that the seller having lied several times, or at least having found reasons not to follow through, isn't that big of a deal. Apparently, the OP feels differently. I'm inclined to agree with him. Some people are only willing to accept so many excuses, before taking things to the next level.

As for the offer of a refund: obviously we'll never know, but based on the handling of this transaction (and others in the past), it's entirely possible that he'd still be in the same boat, even if he had accepted the offer.
 
NaturesFury said:
No, i have not notified him of this thread. I will err on the side of caution and send him a link on FB.
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Generally, it's suggested that you do inform them so that they can come offer their side of the story and move towards the ideal resolution.

So, informing him in that manner would likely be a good idea.
 
ShadowAceD said:
Someone failing to ship animals after promising to ship them over and over again and failing to advertise them as "non-feeding" or "not yet feeding" should not be given just an inquiry thread, in my opinion. Same goes for someone who is apparently far too busy to give updates when they are asked for, even in a short and sweet e-mail. That would fall under "extremely terrible communcation skills".

The fact that he offered a refund is irrelevant when the buyer wants to get the animals they paid for that the seller appears to still clearly have.
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Looking at other examples of BOI threads, what they are labeled as and the contents, I still feel this should be an Inquiry thread based off of the current evidence that is being provided. And again, not saying PP was not completely in the wrong but it would be nice if OP provided ALL emails, written communications including Facebook posts and messages considering she mentioned that as a means of communication and any other tangible information she might have.

I think part of my hesitance with OP is coming from the lack of evidence and more of a "he said she said" affair. All the evidence posted was post #15 which didn't even include dates so chronological order is ambiguous and post #28 which doesn't include initial email/ communication with seller or any current communications whether it be email or facebook which OP claims she used both.

This whole thing is still very ambiguous to me and until further evidence is brought to the table or PP decides to show up and give their side of the story, it will remain ambiguous to me. Sorry if that offends anyone :shrug01: but I'm not going to tar and feather someone without more evidence.
 
That's enough discussion about how the thread is labeled - it is off topic here. Feel free to raise matter in the Fauna Feedback Forum.
 
John Willis SOE said:
here are thee-mails between Amanda and perfect predators:

On 10/10/12 12:15 PM, "Info @ Perfect Predators, Inc."
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Amanda I'm having a lot of delays to ship. Would you prefer a refund?
>
>Highest regards,
>
>Manny J. Frade
>efax: 305 328 9704
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Oct 10, 2012, at 11:05 AM, Amanda Willis
><[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>> They clearly didn't go out yet because we have already got our fedex
>> today. Please let me know what is going on
>>
>> On 10/9/12 2:00 PM, "Info @ Perfect Predators, Inc."
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm confirming with my helper now, give me a few I wasn't here
>>>yesterday and he's not here now...
>>>
>>> Highest regards,
>>>
>>> Manny J. Frade
>>> efax: 305 328 9704
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Oct 9, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Amanda Willis
>>> <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Did these go out yesterday?
>>>>
>>>> On 10/5/12 4:47 PM, "Info @ Perfect Predators, Inc."
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ship Monday, they ate meal way too big for their size. But they
>>>>>handled it awesome...
>>>>>
>>>>> Highest regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Manny J. Frade
>>>>> efax: 305 328 9704
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 5, 2012, at 5:34 PM, Amanda Willis
>>>>><[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We never got a shipment
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/3/12 10:20 AM, "Info @ Perfect Predators, Inc."
>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Did not ship yesterday, they were too stuffed from recent meals,
>>>>>>> im thinking today but more than likely tomorrow. I sent an email
>>>>>>> yesterday but we had some Internet issues and the message was
>>>>>>> stuck in the outbox till I just noticed it..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Highest regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Manny J. Frade
>>>>>>> efax: 305 328 9704
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Oct 2, 2012, at 11:21 AM, Amanda Willis
>>>>>>> <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just spoke to you on the phone. Please ship our trio of het
>>>>>>>> pied balls to be delivered on Wednesday to:
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-Dated.
-Sourced.
-Promise to ship.
-Failure to ship.
-Claims of animals have full stomachs.
 
HighVoltageRoyals said:
Looking at other examples of BOI threads, what they are labeled as and the contents, I still feel this should be an Inquiry thread based off of the current evidence that is being provided.
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The characterization of a thread does not depend on current evidence AT ALL. If someone stole a snake from your house and no one but you saw it, you could still put up a bad guy thread.

Often as a thread progresses, evidence is added, but one cannot change the initial characterization.
 
ApexPredatorBoids said:
Perhaps you're confusing "Inquiry" with "Info"? Either way, it's a bit of semantics that I feel is irrelevant.


"Bad Guy" is a subjective term, which carries different meanings for different people. You may feel that the seller having lied several times, or at least having found reasons not to follow through, isn't that big of a deal. Apparently, the OP feels differently. I'm inclined to agree with him. Some people are only willing to accept so many excuses, before taking things to the next level.

As for the offer of a refund: obviously we'll never know, but based on the handling of this transaction (and others in the past), it's entirely possible that he'd still be in the same boat, even if he had accepted the offer.
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Yes, I meant Info thread; thanks. :)

But again, I'm not seeing enough evidence on OPs part to condemn the guy, past threads aside. It would be nice to get all emails and all facebook messages and posts. "I continue to call and leave message on the machine and email and facebook." - Amanda

And hopefully PP will come forward and give their side of the story. I think that would at least shed a bit more light on this situation, whether it be good or bad.
 
ShadowAceD said:
-Dated.
-Sourced.
-Promise to ship.
-Failure to ship.
-Claims of animals have full stomachs.
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But you see, that's only a week of communication when OP claims it was at least a month of email/phone/facebook dodging. Post #15 didn't have any dates and although post #28 has dates, it only covers a week. What happened to the other 3 weeks of communication?
 
So, in your eyes, because those e-mails ended on the 10th, after they began on the 2nd of October, failing to have these animals in their possession since then is their fault because they cannot prove that they have been trying to contact them via the phone and Facebook (which is where the other posts come from where it just shows the day and time)?

The seller has no responsibility for the fact they have no shipped animals in a month because there is no paper trail on it after the initial contacts shown?

Seriously?

What excuse is there that they still do not have their Ball Pythons?
 
2nd - and last - warning, since the first one was disregarded...discussing the label applied by the OP is not relevant to this thread. Take it elsewhere.

You only got the second warning because I'm in a particularly foul mood...I would recommend against pushing the matter further
 
ShadowAceD said:
So, in your eyes, because those e-mails ended on the 10th, after they began on the 2nd of October, failing to have these animals in their possession since then is their fault because they cannot prove that they have been trying to contact them via the phone and Facebook (which is where the other posts come from where it just shows the day and time)?

The seller has no responsibility for the fact they have no shipped animals in a month because there is no paper trail on it after the initial contacts shown?

Seriously?

What excuse is there that they still do not have their Ball Pythons?
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Never said anything was OPs fault and actually went out of my way to say that OP has done nothing wrong and that PP is wrong for not keeping communication so don't know where you're getting that.

I agree they should have their animals and that PP is in the wrong for not sending them but if he was holding back the babies because of feeding issues/ other reasons (ie the 3 weeks of missing emails), I would like to know what he said for my own piece of mind.

But frankly, if I was OP, I would just get the refund and go find some other snakes. If I had it in my mind that PP was a bad guy, I would cease to do business with them, get my money back and go elsewhere. Why risk further transaction with the guy if you are dissatisfied and don't even have the animals yet?
 
HighVoltageRoyals said:
If I had it in my mind that PP was a bad guy, I would cease to do business with them, get my money back and go elsewhere. Why risk further transaction with the guy if you are dissatisfied and don't even have the animals yet?
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Bingo!
I don't generally advertise BPs before they're feeding; but, when I have, I've made the situation clear. If the OP has become that frustrated (which is sort of weird, IMO, since they aren't even his animals), he should take the offered refund. It isn't as if these are rare snakes, and this is the only seller offering het pieds...
 
There is only a weeks worth of e-mail because he answered his phone when this started. When Amanda blocked her number he answered with some bullshit about "I cant check right now because I'm in a real estate class". Then he ceased to answer or return calls. I'm sure I can produce a paypal transaction that predates the e-mail dates. This was advertised and paid for on sept. 20th. he stopped e-mailing and answering the phone. There is not any question as to if they were feeding. He repetitively said he had fed them heavy and had to wait to ship. after waiting each time he said that another week goes by and no shipment so we start all over again. Its been a month and some days at this point.
 
Just because the OP has become frustrated with the transaction doesn't mean they should storm off with a refund. The point is that they purchased the snakes and have not received them. It doesn't matter if others are offering the same type of snake. The fact is that these are the snakes they had purchased and chose to purchase, whether for looks or price, try shouldn't have to go elsewhere.
 
and as to the original poster: He works for me. He is employed by me. He posted on behalf of me.

Im looking for two things here: one, even up or admit he screwed up, and two, warn and tell people what has happened. Apparently we are not the only people this has happened to.

All he had to say was "hey man I screwed up and over sold them. I don't have them." Chris point blank asked him that. He never replied to it. Each time it was the story of "they got fed real heavy so they will ship next week."

I run a business that been going for 22 years now. We have a facebook page with 21,000 plus fans. We ship over a hundred individual packages each day plus dozens of military and dealer purchase orders. I understand growing pains. Don't bullshit me though. If you dont have them, say you don't have them.
 
There's being frustrated, and there's being frustrated enough to post a Bad Guy thread on the BOI. If one is the latter, it just makes sense to end things quickly and cleanly; especially if communication has not been good.
 
paypal payment info:

Customer Service URL:
http://www.perfectpredators.com

Customer Service Email: [email protected]

Customer Service Phone: 305-310-5699
________________________________________

Amount sent: -$375.00 USD
Fee amount: $0.00 USD
Net amount: -$375.00 USD
________________________________________

Date: Sep 21, 2012
Time: 15:25:34 PDT
Status: Completed
________________________________________

Subject: You have sent $375.00 USD to Perfect Predators, Inc. with PayPal
Note: Wholesale Lot: Weekend Warrior Deal- 3 Female 100% het Pieds. $375 Shipped!!
Funding Type: PayPal Balance
Funding Source: $375.00 USD - PayPal Account
 
Mr Willis - you are a slow learner. Be more careful with your language, or you'll find yourself unable to post for a few days.
 
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