Bad Guy Pet harbor in Boardman Ohio

[Big Borg Reptiles]

The husbandry you showed is perfectly fine. Show us pictures of multiple dogs in a tiny cage with diarrhea and open wounds. You keep talking about it, I don't know why it should be so hard to take a picture.

 

[Lucille]

When multiple dogs in a tint cage have diarrhea and open wounds ir needs cleaned IMMEDIATELY, and that was 3 years ago That happened.

I calmly addressed them, as I did before only this time we just snapped pictures and walked out. Apparently you guys think that kind of husbandry is ok and that's sickening

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Elexis, don't start another cycle of drama. All that can happen now is that everyone points fingers at someone else.

Go get better photos and post them.

 

[ElexisC]

The husbandry you showed is perfectly fine. Show us pictures of multiple dogs in a tiny cage with diarrhea and open wounds. You keep talking about it, I don't know why it should be so hard to take a picture.

Glad to know algae in water bowls is perfectly fine. You're disgusting

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[Big Borg Reptiles]

Go get better photos and post them.

She keeps mentioning that it happened three years ago, so she can't get pictures of it. Weird that she didn't think to post about it on the BOI until now, three years later, right after her friend didn't get hired there.

 

[Big Borg Reptiles]

Glad to know algae in water bowls is perfectly fine. You're disgusting

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I don't see any algae. I think if you got your eyesight checked you might find that I'm not disgusting at all, but rather fairly pleasant. You'd also find that the pictures you took show absolutely nothing except that you have too much time on your hands.

 

[ElexisC]

The husbandry you showed is perfectly fine. Show us pictures of multiple dogs in a tiny cage with diarrhea and open wounds. You keep talking about it, I don't know why it should be so hard to take a picture.

Are you seriously that dumb or playing it? I SAID THREE YEARS AGO THE DOGS HAD FRESHLY DOCKED TAILS IN A DIARRHEA COVERED CAGE. That's when the scene was made. I'm done addressing you people. You twist everything and purposely play stupid

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[Big Borg Reptiles]

Insults are the best way to get people on your side, I've found. Keep it up.

Oh, another way (that might actually work) would be to take pictures of these terrible conditions you've seen instead of just talking about them.

 

[Lucille]

I'm done addressing you people. You twist everything and purposely play stupid

Elexis

I think you need to stop posting for a little while and get it together and stop having a tantrum. Many people are being very fair, but just have a different point of view or want to see better photos. I think you need to issue an apology to some of the 'you people' you just insulted.

 

[Big Time Reptiles]

Are you seriously that dumb or playing it? I'm done addressing you people. You twist everything and purposely play stupid

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There you go, The Pot Calling The Kettle Black.

Very simple, Photos to substantiate your claims made in this thread, quit avoiding the questions about your claim, diarrhea, poop, & open wounds, coming back with, what about the algae in the water bowls......

Elexis, if your as upset as your posts reveal, look in the mirror, you're the culprit continually doing it to yourself.

Lynn Peterson
Big Time Reptiles

 

[leftycrane]

The only time she ever gets upset is when people don't immediately take her at her word. She always makes a claim, provides some small amount of evidence and then when she is questioned about it suddenly she is being attacked. I've never seen someone pay the victim more than she does. She started this thread, and another one recently, people ask for additional proof or question what she's saying (as they usually do in all BOI threads I've ever read) but because it's her that posted it she is attacked, no one likes her and anyone who doesn't immediately take her word for it is wrong.

 

[Snake-Queen]

Aside from the possible algae in the bearded dragon bowls (which can happen fairly quickly with the uv output & not likely the store has bleach on hand to clean it properly) & the BP with a bad shed (which isn't unusual for a BP in a tank) the pictures showed what appeared to be well fed animals.

I saw no mites or evidence of mites in the water, the dogs looked clean and healthy, tho it did appear to be to many per cage, but I doubt they are in there 24/7.

 

[Bobby Douglass]

I do see the algae in the bowl but it looks better than most pet stores I've been to. I really don't think whether they lied or not about when they got the snakes matters. They'd probably say anything to get you to leave.

 

[EdwardK]

I've seen soft poop sitting on top of the wire, I should have taken a picture of that too because there was a glob of it sitting in front of ones face that was laying down when we were in there.

And how would that show that the issue wasn't due to a diet change as opposed to illness? Are you aware that many puppies will have to go to the bathroom shortly after being fed? As I noted before, this could have been easily due to a diet change from the breeder to the store and you have yet to supply anything that rises to the level of demonstrating that this was due to illness or abuse.

Again I suggest An example of the literature around this
http://www.jarvm.com/articles/Vol9Iss3/Wakshlag.pdf

Wakshlag, Joseph J., et al. "Negative Fecal Characteristics Are Associated with pH and Fecal Flora Alterations During Dietary Change in Dog." International Journal of Applied Research inVeterinary Medicine 9.3 (2011): 278


In addition I suggest looking up housebreaking suggestions with respect to puppies.

some comments

Ed

 

[Bobby Douglass]

Is it algae or could the lizard that is in the dish have soiled the water? Again, I point to the conditions of all the other water bowls. Whay would they skip this single bowl that itself in in a clean enclosure? Just asking...

The bowls like the one with the supposed algae in it seem much harder to clean than the smoother ones but I really can't answer any of the questions. My point was that I think this complaint seems exaggerated.

 

[LauraB]

If those photos are supposed to depict "abuse" or "neglect", then I just don't see it. Sorry. I absolutely do not condone puppy mills nor am I a fan of big box pet stores selling puppies, but I don't see any abuse based on the photos.

Much ado about nothing, perhaps.

 

[Mistyck]

Elexis, calm down. No one here hates you, and you're turning people's responses to your comments into your own hate.

You obviously can't post on a public forum without getting emotional and playing the victim. If you think this pet store is doing wrong, then fine. In your mind, they're wrong. That's perfectly fine for you to think. What others think is NOT your problem. What other people's opinions are about this pet store (from your own accord) are not your problem. You need to be able to take opinion and brush it off. Answer questions that are asked, be direct and to the point and don't engage in those that hit your buttons.

If you cannot do that, and be mature about things while doing it, then maybe you should refrain from posting until such time that you can. Or second thought; keep acting and doing things the way you have been, and keep getting the same outcome that you've been getting. It's your choice.

Now, to address the situation that you've brought forth in this thread. The shop doesn't look that bad. It looks better than a lot of different shops that I've seen. The bowl in the dragon's cage does look like it might have algae (it just needs to be cleaned if so), the snakes don't look too bad, and actually look to have good weight, though a stuck shed & mites should be addressed. The dogs look to be in good health, even though I don't like the idea of the dogs being in cages like that, they aren't horrible and the cages do look clean.

Just because your opinion of this store does not match up with others, does not mean we're wrong, nor does it mean you're wrong. We can only go off of the pictures that YOU have provided. If you don't like our opinion off of YOUR pictures, then provide more pictures to help our decisions. If not don't whine about us requesting more pictures to help us make our minds up.

 

[Chris Kennard]

I'll ask again Elexis, why do you care if you got caught taking the pictures that would validate your claims? You said you hadn't been there in years and would not buy from them. So why care if getting the "money" shots would get you kicked out? Unless of course you thought they would recognize you as being someone they kicked out three years ago? Also, you said your friend wanted "breeder" mice? In your opening post here, you said, and I quote, "a friend needed mice and they were the only ones who still sell FEEDERS around here". Just out of curiosity, why would someone wanting to be clandestine, with regard to taking incriminating photos, alert the staff about your concerns BEFORE taking your secretive pictures???

 

[caffeinecynic]

Gee, what a nice close up, downward angle picture that is. Shame she couldn't get even one of any of the mostly diarrhea ridden pens.

Regarding the mites, if that bowl was void of the many many black contaminates that are far too large to be mites then I would agree that there was a better possibility there are mites in the water. To me it looks like whatever the contaminate is, it has broken up into many pieces of many sizes. If you focus on the right side you will see what I mean. Of course the possibility exists still ,and maybe a very, very inexperienced keeper would panic, freak out, and alert the authorities, but even a keeper with the little intelligence it takes to do a little research would have it under control in no time at all.

It is distinctly possible that the black specks are indeed debris from some of the enclosure's decor (my first thought would have been that it came off that brown tree thing next to it; this thought would be lent credence on the fact that there does not appear to be similar floating specks/debris in the other photos). However, as I was not at the store to examine the snakes personally, nor was I there to see the water bowl in person, it is not a conclusion I want to make based on a photo. I merely pointed out that there was a possibility of something afoot based on that water dish.

That said, I don't think mites constitute "severe animal abuse" at all. Mites are an annoying thing this hobby has to face but while it can be annoying and time consuming to fix, it's something that could happen for any number of reasons at a pet store and is certainly not a sign of neglect. If it IS mites (as I said, not sure, was not there), it's something I think the pet store should be alerted to for correction (and nothing more - certainly not, IMO, a BOI worthy offense...)

I choose not to comment on the rest of the pictures because to be honest, I've seen worse husbandry in pet stores (with regards to snakes) and since this is not a store I've ever been in to know if some of these comments (such as those tiny kennels being permanent enclosures for the dogs, etc) are baseless or true, I don't want to jump the gun and form assumptions. I will say that if those -are- the dogs' permanent homes, they're awful small - but most pet stores don't keep their mammals in tiny enclosures all the time, at least not that I've seen.

 

[caffeinecynic]

I'd also like to add: I don't see any mites on the albino boa or any signs of mites in the albino boa's enclosure. The only thing that remotely struck me as supporting the concept of mites was debris in the ball python's water dish, which, as stated and above and by BillZ, could have been from any number of contaminates - including anything the snake itself might have slithered through, since animals with stuck shed tend to try and soak. I have stared at the albino boa for a good 20 minutes today looking for mites, including blowing the photo up, and I just do not see them.

I agree with Lucille: it would help if you could get better photos depicting the neglect you are accusing this store of. Keep in mind that of course a pet store cannot have immaculate, perfect husbandry for their animals; their goal is to sell, and providing snakes the ability to hide and not be seen is not going to help them sell said animal. And bluntly, poop happens. If a store is busy, they may not have time to drop everything right then and there to clean up poop. I saw poop in a stall at a reptile show that the breeder just didn't have a chance to spot yet because he was in the process of making a sale. It happens. I'm sure your snakes have pooped and have had it not cleaned up in under 10 minutes, and your other animals as well.

 

[Big Borg Reptiles]

I want to point out that I could walk into even the most well kept pet shop and eventually find something to take a picture of that would be considered unacceptable. Heck, I could probably walk into my own snake room an hour after cleaning and find a tub that looked unacceptable. You basically showed us their whole store and it looks like everything is very well taken care of.

I'm sorry your friend didn't get the job, but if this is the level of maturity you and her exhibit on a regular basis then I can't say I'm surprised they went with someone else.