Seeing as how I was the first one to notice (at least to post) that Adam was sent a sidewinder, from Pete, I thought maybe I should join back in so people don't think that Wes and DAND are the only ones concerned that laws were broken and then covered up. The ONLY reason that this was exposed was that Adam made the mistake? of mentioning the sidewinder.
From viewing many of the posts made by Pete, I "hypothesized" that either we have someone who is; 1. poaching WC snakes, and 2. shipping them with other than Delta Dash, BOTH ILLEGAL or we have someone who was extremely naive and/or ignorant of the Law (as we know, ignorance is no excuse for breaking any laws). So I posted two posts 1. It's illegal to sell (including trade, barter, etc) native WC snakes and 2. That I hope it was shipped by Delta Dash. This thread is a result of that.
Make no mistake, it is my belief after 30 + years as an avid field herper who still keeps a lifelist, that those two items I've mentioned, poaching and illegal/improper shipping will be contributing factors to the downfall of this hobby I love so much. I realize the biggest impact will be loss of habitat, but I'm speaking Legislatively. I say these things so that maybe it will give a little bit of insight to those of you who have been on this site for 5 days, why some of "us" may seem a little.....okay even a lot "overzealous" and maybe don't realize how many people have been exposed on this great site, and when I say people I mean everything from "just" poor morals, ethics, to shady business practices to out and out frauds, thieves, and lawbreakers.
ravensgait said:
Have you informed any law enforcement agencies about this unlawful act??My guess would be no, if you had done so then Pete wouldn't be able to reply to you here and there by taking away the obvious pleasure you get here. Yep you have an opinion but what you are doing comes off as an obsession and rather twisted and yes that is my opinion though you seem to feel you are the only one entitled to have one here.
Even if reported there would be an investigation, they wouldn't just go in and send him to prison in two days, maybe you were being sardonic.......at any rate, there is an "awareness" of the situation, by appropriate people (I think much more so on the other end, ie. Adam, but as the shipper Pete is on the radar)
ravensgait said:
What is it something about __________ till proven guility .
Need I remind you that there was guilt "proven" in this instance?
Additionally, to you and Nicolai, and I was going to say Ophis, but his very ironic 8:16 post puts him in more of a hydrogencricket catagory......so never mind, but there were untruths, up to and including today, that still didn't come out until Wes and a couple others continued asking.
This is the BOI, not a court of law. it's a place where people can post everything from legal court documents to back up their "case" to people just pointing out their opinions, as YOU, and I, are doing.
ravensgait said:
I can see the good in this forum but here we have an example of one of the things wrong with it- people with issues jumping on whoever for reasons known only to themselves.
I don't think anybody is jumping on whoever for unknown reason's, there were very valid reasons for this thread. Maybe illegal and unethical problems don't concern you, that's your perogative. My opinion is they do matter.
all that said, As I told Pete, I am giving him the benifit of the doubt, and am going to chalk his mistake up to ignorance of the law. The only reason I posted again is because it has taken this long for the "whole truth and nothing, but the truth" to come out, as a result of IMHO Wes and a couple others.
So I hope two things,
1. That we can finally put this to rest, and Pete can be welcomed here.
2. That you and Nicolai, and some of the others hopefully can understand (if not accept) why some of us can seem a little overzealous.
So I'm aware that some of you will dock me points, but I make no apologys for my overzealousness, when it comes to the morals and laws of such a great hobby.