Reptster.com experience with show sponsorship not good

[Sweeney's Serpents]

----- Original Message -----
From: David Young
To: Central PA Reptile Expo
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: Please call me

Kelly,
I just got home and read your email, please disregard my last. We have spoken about this numerous times. Seven Hundred and fifty dollars is way too high for this show. I spent much less than that in San Diego and that show was huge. I am going to have to completely decline any sponsorship in your show at this point. Maybe next year when the show is more stable and pricing is more structured we can work something out.

Thanks,
David


Especially for a new show trying to establish itself, you would want known breeders, suppliers, and wesite to get involved. I gathered that is what Terry was questioning was the cost considering it was a new show. I would hardly think anyone would want to have their name or business smeared here. Looking at the date of that attached e-mail David stated that the fees were way to much. Being that he was slow to respond to this thread alot of assumptions were may. Right ? Wrong ? who knows..........

Bottom line, if it isn't in writting it's just people talking. How many hour have all you breders have spent including me talking to a prespective buyer that turned out to be hot air?

I truly appreciate Rich's efforts in making this a first rate website. I really wish the rest of his site would get as much attention as the BOI does. I have benefited from the BOI by being the ONLY source on the internet were you can find information about a person you may plan on doing business with. Some of the folks on here should open up a detective agency. However , it seems that alot of folks only remember the un-needed sniping, name calling that also goes on here.

One last question .....What is record for the longest thread?

Good luck to all parties on this issue................

Scott Sweeney

 

[WebSlave]

The person who owns this site issued me warning points for making a racist remark in this thread. I haven't read the thread in in awhile and just noticed a private message.
First off saying your last name says it all is not racist..
Wasn't even thinking that when I posted. Had to do with something totally different. What the hell do I know about Polish people anyway that I would want to offend them???
People are always saying black people are always crying racism now a harmless comment that had nothing to do with race is made an issue lol.. Yea I'm black and take a wild guess what my kids are mixed with??
So to the owner get your fact before making assuptions..
I could care less about warning points but at least know what your talking about before calling someone a racist.. Now how about waring points for the childish name calling????
Yea I know...

Can it, bud. I know perfectly well what I am talking about, and I do know what the facts are in relation to your slur towards another member. The racist/prejudicial infraction covers slurs based on nationality as well as race. I personally don't care what color you are, if you engage in racist and prejudicial slurs towards other members such as you have already done you WILL be removed from this site.

 

[AF Exotics]

I hope I am not straying to far off topic,but believe it is relevant because of the constant shots Mr.Young is taking at most of us here.I liken the BOI to a kitchen full of Chef's.We all have something to offer,some of the ingredients work in the recipe,some don't.Sometimes there is some good,sometimes bad.In the end,it is a community,and we all have a place in the kitchen.

My parent's owned a restaurant for 22 years,and we always reserved the right to refuse service to anyone.Some people might have not liked something they were served,they had every right to be pleased as a paying customer.They lost that right if they got out of hand,some lost teeth(expensive legal lesson learned),but they sure couldn't come in the kitchen and take a giant crap on the cooks.

Mr Young,your remarks are that giant crap("the BOI is a joke"), is what I am referring to.I give Rich credit for not refusing the right to you getting any service,because you would've been booted already by any other business.We are a community here,some good,some up for opinion,but you have shown your lack of professionalism,and that will hurt your business.My humble opinion.Good day.Marcus Quesada

 

[hhmoore]

One last question .....What is record for the longest thread?

not sure it is the record, but the longest one I know of is the TSE thread, with 2,948 responses

 

[hhmoore]

The person who owns this site issued me warning points for making a racist remark in this thread. I haven't read the thread in in awhile and just noticed a private message.
First off saying your last name says it all is not racist..
Wasn't even thinking that when I posted. Had to do with something totally different. What the hell do I know about Polish people anyway that I would want to offend them???
People are always saying black people are always crying racism now a harmless comment that had nothing to do with race is made an issue lol.. Yea I'm black and take a wild guess what my kids are mixed with??
So to the owner get your fact before making assuptions..
I could care less about warning points but at least know what your talking about before calling someone a racist.. Now how about waring points for the childish name calling????
Yea I know...

Before I react/respond to this, I'll give you the opportunity to clarify the passage in red....what, exactly, DID you mean?

 

[Rextiles]

I realized I may have hit a few targets I was not aiming for.

If you have problems with a select group of people, then take it up directly with them by means of a PM or, gee, just ignore them altogether. Imagine that!

I did not mean to offend everybody

You claim that you only meant to offend the...

usual few who love to bash already on there making assumptions and bashing

How can you not comprehend at the time how your post was to be taken by everybody if your mentality was...

I reverted right back to my 100% lack of respect for the BOI and wrote some comical emails that would mock every bit of info in the BOI and show how much I care about it.

David, the BOI in and of itself is nothing without the people that use it. Without people, it is just an empty forum. So, with you that you have no respect for the BOI, to me, it summarizes that you have no respect for anybody and everybody that participates in the BOI. What really gets me though is the hypocrisy here. On here, you say:

I will tell you I have no belief in the BOI

and yet on your own web site, Reptster, you say

The BOI is a great thing in some ways and a bad thing in others. Sometimes it houses a legitimate complaint with good follow-up and feedback from the community.

Hmmmmm. So, which is it?

The bottom line is, the general intention of the BOI is a wonderful system as long as people utilize it for good and honest issues. Sure, there are problems that do arise when you allow for others to exercise their freedom of speech when they probably should keep their mouths closed. But that's the beauty of it all, you can easily ascertain what is worth reading and what is not and digest whatever content you want to accordingly. It's really that simple. Were there some comments made here that were not pertinent to the OP's original concern? Sure there were, but there were far more people than that that asked legitimate questions pertaining to Kelly's issues and who gave you the benefit of the doubt. That is, until you snubbed your nose at everybody.

And your apology is really bizarre:

My sincerest apologies go out to you (Kathy Love) and the logical people who took offense to that post.

Why should Kathy be the foremost person that you kept apologizing to when really, she didn't really have all that much participation other than voicing her opinions. I think the top person you should have apologized to was Kelly since this was her topic and the mockery you not only made of the BOI was ultimately making of her post. And who are you to define "logical people"? Since there is very little logic in your actions and even your basic thoughts about a BOI in general, I'm left questioning what "logical people" means.

No matter what anyone says you can falsify emails with the greatest of ease in 2 minutes. And there is no embedded header information that cannot be altered. Anything is easy to manipulate in electronic transmissions. So to post anything into an open forum and prove it truthful is impossible in this case.

Then how is it that if emails are so unreliable, that Kathy Love, of all people, should be granted to see your emails and nobody here on the BOI gets that privilege coming directly from you? If what you say is true about emails easily being forged, perhaps that is your intention of sending them only to Kathy and not the BOI where they could be easily scrutinized. If we take your word that emails are so easily manipulated, then why should we, or even Kathy for that matter, trust in what you send to her since you could easily forge that? The biggest lie of all though was when you originally stated that you were going to show us those emails here on the BOID and then reneged on that promise. Where was your technical savvy then when you originally made that promise? You've discredited yourself more than anything else with this whole email thing when you could have taken the opportunity to show us these alleged emails that you are now only willing to send to those that ask you for them. Very bizarre!

By the time I came back and checked again there were the usual few who love to bash already on there making assumptions and bashing.

But then you say this:

I have not read any of the last posts and I dont think I will waste my time.

and this:

I have not read the posts in the BOI but I can only imagine what will be said once you or I post this.

So, how do you know that people were bashing you if you never took the time to read any of the posts as you claim?

You keep using the cop-out that you don't read any of the posts so that you don't have to answer to any of the valid questions being raised, but even you hinted that you did in fact read a certain amount of posts. If it is true that you only read a few select ones that you felt were derogatory to yourself, you did yourself and those that were giving you the benefit of the doubt a great disservice by not reading the entire thread. I know if it were my integrity on the line and out in public, I'd sure what to know what people were saying about me and would try my darnedest to not only try and refute whatever claims I felt were untrue, but to try and make amends with those that ignorantly chimed in with assumptions and innuendo. It just seems like good business to me to try and make friends instead of enemies.

This is what the BOI is known for to most and though most of the respected individuals who feel this way won’t publicly admit it in fear of backlash. Once I saw that I reverted right back to my 100% lack of respect for the BOI and wrote some comical emails that would mock every bit of info in the BOI and show how much I care about it.

Once again David, the BOI, in and of itself, is nothing without the people that participate within it. If you hold contempt for those that abuse the BOI, that's completely understandable and I can respect that as so many others do as well. But, when you blatantly state:

wrote some comical emails that would mock every bit of info in the BOI

, then that's when you basically became a person of contempt. Remember, if you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem!

You say this:

For the record this is not damage control, this is an apology to those of you I meant no disrespect to.

Then follow it up with this ridiculous statement:

If anything we have had 10 people cancel and 30 mostly new members write emails saying that someone had to show what a joke the BOI is.

Which seems to be your shared sentiment, otherwise you would not be stating this as coming from "new members". Like I said, the BOI is the people. So, if the BOI is a joke, then that's saying that the people here are a joke. Some apology

If anything we have had 10 people cancel and 30 mostly new members...

As a businessman, even having 1 person cancel their membership with my service due to what I thought was an unfounded "rumor" would bother me. But you seem to be nonchalant that even at least 10 have canceled. Like so many failed businesses before yours have finally figured out too late David, is that reputation is everything and your best friend or worst enemy is word of mouth. Don't for one moment think that you or your business are invulnerable to the actions or words of only a few people. Many businesses have crumbled under far less allegations and the allegations against you and your practices seem to be mounting up at this point.

While I sincerely hope that you make good on all of your alleged wrongdoings as a businessman, I don't see how your current blatant and belligerent attitude is going to help it any at this point in time. Like I said before, what a waste!

 

[hhmoore]

Before I react/respond to this, I'll give you the opportunity to clarify the passage in red....what, exactly, DID you mean?

On second thought - please PM your response to me, to avoid further cluttering of this thread.

 

[Southern Wolf]

Mr. Young,

I am allowing you the opportunity to set things right here on this site, but my patience with your constant yammering about the "BOI being a joke" is quickly coming to an end. If you continue to belittle what I have created here, the people it has helped, and everyone else who finds the BOI to be of value to THEM, then you WILL be removed from the picture here completely.

Quite frankly, I believe it is in very poor taste for another webmaster to come to another's site and belittle their efforts as you are doing in this thread. So if you cannot change your attitude while coming into my living room to talk with my friends here, then you WILL be forcibly shown the door. You would not be the first I have done this to, nor will you likely be the last, so please don't think for an instant that I am singling you out. I don't demand respect, but I see absolutely no reason to tolerate disrespect in my own house.

I do hope this is PERFECTLY clear to you.

**stands up & applauds**

 

[Southern Wolf]

Here is a thought that RIPster hasnt considered.

He states that only 10 have canceled. I know for a fact that I am one of those that wishes not to be associated with RIPster... primarily because I want to keep my name creditable.

Here is what he is not considering... I am but one person... but I can guarentee I know more than 10 people in the reptile industry... and I pass along his attitude towards customer relations.. .and then they pass along his attitude towards customer relations.. and before Long... it has reached over 100 people.

Now what if all 10 did this....

Then all you will have at RIPster is those not in the know.... but here's the catch. Everyone in the reptile industry surfs the web.... We are after all a small community in the grand scheeme of things. Eventually those that didnt know... will.

Then what do you have left. A business with out clients... RIP

 

[homegrownherps]

David....you claim that all is well between you and Repticon, does this mean we will see you at their next event in Orlando - October 11 & 12 ?

Maybe you can stop by my table .... I will have your spot ...but wait ..if all was well between you and Repticon ....why would they be giving your spot to someone else

 

[MauiMoon]

I dont know what the big deal is. Some people dont like the boi. Mr. Young only came on here because there is a thread about him. He is entitled to his opinion. If him and Kelly couldnt come to an agreement on the price to sponsor the show then thats a reason to not pay for it. I think everyone is making to much out if it.

 

[PoohMac]

An agreement does need to be made between the two parties. I don't agree on well I'm going to close my Reptster account because of it. I tried out their shipping service even though I have my own Fedex account and I'm verified to ship reptiles. I just wanted to use there service and test it out. I was very happy with the service and the cost of shipping was cheaper then using my own account. IMO

Michael Castillo

 

[LakesideBoas]

Well, I'm sure you'll be glad this venue is available to you should something go wrong and you acn get no resolution. I'm not being sarcastic this time either, as I sincerely hope nothing does go wrong for either of you.

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

Especially for a new show trying to establish itself, you would want known breeders, suppliers, and wesite to get involved. I gathered that is what Terry was questioning was the cost considering it was a new show.

As far as I'm concerned, this argument is null and void since no one even heard of David Young until Reptster...and it's been out for how long? Not even a year?

 

[PoohMac]

Well, I'm sure you'll be glad this venue is available to you should something go wrong and you acn get no resolution. I'm not being sarcastic this time either, as I sincerely hope nothing does go wrong for either of you.

Good point, and point taken. I personally wanted to use Reptster's service before posting something about them so I can at least say I've used there service(once).

Michael Castillo

 

[kmurphy]

I dont know what the big deal is. Some people dont like the boi. Mr. Young only came on here because there is a thread about him. He is entitled to his opinion. If him and Kelly couldnt come to an agreement on the price to sponsor the show then thats a reason to not pay for it. I think everyone is making to much out if it.

Mark, about 20 years plus ago I did a trade with some guy. He lived in Washington State and I lived in Maine. I never got a thing from him and there was nothing I could do about it. You know, I wouldn't have given a rat's butt whether he like the BOI or not (if it had existed). His name would have been up here for all to see. The BOI is here for people to state their case and others to make up there own minds. You obviously don't have a problem dealing with people that don't follow through on their commitments. Well I do.

 

[lanceheads]

Well put Kevin!

Randal

 

[grunt_11b]

So is the e-mail that David posted real or not?? How can someone find out? Because if it's real then he proved he told her he was backing out.. Granted I think he should pay her something for the advertising she had already done, but the whole arguement hinges on the validity of that last e-mail he said was sent.. I really wish he would do whatever he needs to do to prove that e-mail true or not.. I just want to know the truth.. Just as everyone else here does.

Alan

 

[ninthof9]

Grunt,
It states that people have been asking him over and over for the header to his E-mail and he has not yet responded...sounds like a pattern.
Dale

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

So is the e-mail that David posted real or not?? How can someone find out? Because if it's real then he proved he told her he was backing out.. Granted I think he should pay her something for the advertising she had already done, but the whole arguement hinges on the validity of that last e-mail he said was sent.. I really wish he would do whatever he needs to do to prove that e-mail true or not.. I just want to know the truth.. Just as everyone else here does.

The thing is though...He verbally agreed (per Kelly) to sponsor the show on July 2nd...On July 28th he acknowledged the sponsorship by sending Kelly his logo for advertising...If the e-mail is found to be true, he didn't back out until September 3rd...That is two months after the verbal agreement for sponsorship...Two months of Kelly advertising his sponsorship and web site...