Rich Zuchowski aka Webslave Ethical or not ???

[esoteric-lizard]

Ebay just won a law suit with the very same situaton and they are going after another person that has ebaystuff.com or something along those lines.

It happens daily.

ya but thats ebay... ebay is a title, not the name of an animal.

so your saying i couldnt register the domain kingsnakestuff.com with out getting sued by kingsnake?

 

[SPJ]

You people don't get it.

kingsnakestuff.com is completely different from kingsnakes.com

kingsnake.com = Jeff
kingsnakes.com = Rich

WAY too similiar. That is why there was a problem. One additional "s" and all of the hits intended for Jeff's site go to Rich's site.

 

[Chameleon Company]

Gary, you need to check the "Alan Hall, The Rest of the Story" thread, resurrected by Lucille, in the range of the October '05 posts. Alan created an alias "Jen", and proceeded to speak well of himself in other forums.

You are dodging question #3, so I will state it again. Its not about how you, or Alan, feel about Lucille. It was whether or not you see his choice of how he stated it in forum as being ethical, or smart, or OK, etc? Not that he voiced disdain, but that he decided on all the gutter vulgarities. Its the repugnant post. Do you need a link?

We agree that Alan was unethical regarding #2.

 

[DThomas]

#3 Lucille, go read what I feel about her in the other thread.

#1 I think everything to do with that domain thing was unethical.

I am not saying that Rich and Alan are the same but the actions of them in THIS situation can be compared.

#3. You as well as Alan are entitled to your opinion. The difference is, you posted in a mature manner. Alan posted as if he was in the war room or here in hell. You can't argue that the language he chose to use was not appropriate for the forum he was in.

#1. I think it's a bit of stretch. As Rich has already said, he was trying to piss off Jeff B. Not financially ruin KS and force them to shut down. Alan has given the appearance with the infamous email and his posts that he would like nothing more than to see Fauna and Rich finacially ruined and shut down.

What really was the point of Alan bringing this all up again after the case was settled in court nearly two years ago? Nothing was posted that was not already known. And he did so in a manner that gave the impression he was doing so with glee at the thought of Fauna going down in flames over it.

Rich and Jeff B. have buried the hatchet over the whole thing along time ago. Why does it need to continue?

 

[WebSlave]

Based upon the screenshots, I agree with the title of this post by Alan. This was an unethical move by Rich.

Buying that domain name and directing hits to Fauna was unethical.

It was done strictly to lure people to fauna based upon a missed keystoke when they were searching for kingsnake.

It was designed to purposely take hits and possibly business away from kingsnake.

That is not the American way. That is unethical.

Actually no, it was not purchased "strictly" for that purpose at all. At the time this all took place, I had something like 90 domain names registered. That one was treated just like all the rest of them I had reserved. Simply set up on my server and pointed to this site. The exact same way I did all the other domain names. It was not treated any differently at all.

Anyone who thinks that doing something like that is just business is wrong. Business is not a free for all. But unfortunately a lot of you think it is and are also turning the BOI into a free for all.

There is a reason Rich had to pay a settlement. You do not do that if you are not guilty of something. In this case Rich was guilty of setting up a website similiar in name to a competitor and directing hits (meant for another site) to his.

You obviously have about zero knowledge of the legal system in this country which is about on par with your understanding of that situation years ago.

 

[Gary O]

#3. You as well as Alan are entitled to your opinion. The difference is, you posted in a mature manner. Alan posted as if he was in the war room or here in hell. You can't argue that the language he chose to use was not appropriate for the forum he was in.

#1. I think it's a bit of stretch. As Rich has already said, he was trying to piss off Jeff B. Not financially ruin KS and force them to shut down. Alan has given the appearance with the infamous email and his posts that he would like nothing more than to see Fauna and Rich finacially ruined and shut down.

What really was the point of Alan bringing this all up again after the case was settled in court nearly two years ago? Nothing was posted that was not already known. And he did so in a manner that gave the impression he was doing so with glee at the thought of Fauna going down in flames over it.

Rich and Jeff B. have buried the hatchet over the whole thing along time ago. Why does it need to continue?

Bro you know I follow the TOS no matter what. I am use to the gang posting down to me also. lol

I know it was settled but my comments were to show where alan was coming from. Rich did something wrong. He did. He is human but he will not say hey yeah that was a stupid thing for me to do.

If Rich never did it no posts today lol

I have messed up in the past. I build on it.

But I seen a lot of people Rich and Lucille bring up old threads. Positng old stuff and quotes? Out of spite? I bet!!! Alan just did the smae thing.

Alan is a friend of mine. I am not hiding that fact at all. I am just seeing some say Rich was right Alan was wrong. But when I look at it I see either both are fine or oth are wrong you know?

 

[WebSlave]

Also I think it was cool of Rich to finally open up the BOI again to the members. But Now after the effect of charging for it I feel the ones that paid kinda got thrown to the side. If you will.

The people that came thinking the only way I can post there is ten bucks then I will pay nly to have t free again. But it should be a free thing IMO. As the members are the ones building it.

Now classifieds and banner ads should be charged for and I think he should charge for them. these people are making money off fauna and fauna should get a kick back from it. Even larger photo galleries should be charged for IMO.

The paid members haven't lost anything at all. The non paying members simply gained something. That is "throwing them to the side"? Quaint way of looking at it, I guess. I guess the additional benefits derived from the membership have no value, huh?

So I should not charge for posting on the BOI because "members are the ones building it", yet I should charge for the classifieds? Well who is building the classifieds? I thought it was the members as well. Silly me......

 

[WebSlave]

Did you find it ethical?

Hmm, perhaps it would have been more ethical in your eyes if I had gotten the domain name "TheKingsnake.org" instead?

 

[WebSlave]

Ebay just won a law suit with the very same situaton and they are going after another person that has ebaystuff.com or something along those lines.

It happens daily.

"Ebay" is not a generic term. It has no intrinsic meaning or usage outside of specifically indicating "Ebay" as the company. You really should try to understand what you are talking about when you post something, Gary.

 

[DThomas]

Bro you know I follow the TOS no matter what. I am use to the gang posting down to me also. lol

I know you do have never seen you violate the TOS. Please don't take my posts as posting down to you. I think we can have a civil debate even if we don't agree on everything.

But I seen a lot of people Rich and Lucille bring up old threads. Positng old stuff and quotes? Out of spite? I bet!!! Alan just did the smae thing.

Everyone and I mean everyone does it. Right or wrong it's the nature of forums. Write it today and years down the road it can come back to haunt you. The difference in this situation is those old posts of Alan's were not posted until HE made the rather derogatory AND profane post in the thread about Lucille. Alan fired the first shot in this incident.

 

[Chameleon Company]

Gary,

Here's your exact words:

I honestly do not think he (Alan) wants fauna dead.

I hope you know I do not. But Jim thinks sinse I only have 360 posts here I do.

You have made a claim again as to "what I think". I happen to recall (and its still there in print) the exact reference that I made regarding your post count. It wasn't even close to what you now say that "Jim thinks". So please show it to me. If not, in advance, my reply to you is that you seem a bit truth impaired. AKA ... full of shit.

 

[Gary O]

Hmm, perhaps it would have been more ethical in your eyes if I had gotten the domain name "TheKingsnake.org" instead?

One that note maybe we should talk about that. When I named my forums I did not know of reptilerooms.com. But again I talked to said people about it. try again.

reptilerooms.com
thereptileroom.org

bigger differense then just an s...........................

 

[Ginger Ambrose]

Clarification of my post # 55

Just to clarify...............My post was not directed at any one individual.
It was directed at a group of people that seem to have no other goal in life
but to harass, degrade, or otherwise be ugly.
If I have mistakenly offended some one I apologize, but I see this as a free
world. If you do not like it you can choose to go else where.
It just seems some folks can't walk away unless they can cause havoc in their wake. They have to see the torn and bloodied bodies, or the ruined lives to feel good in the decision to leave.
I am far from perfect but I do try to treat people as human. If I find the company not to my liking "I move on" I do not ask the town to relocate.
I hope this makes some sense.

 

[Gary O]

Here's your exact words:


You have made a claim again as to "what I think". I happen to recall (and its still there in print) the exact reference that I made regarding your post count. It wasn't even close to what you now say that "Jim thinks". So please show it to me. If not, in advance, my reply to you is that you seem a bit truth impaired. AKA ... full of shit.

Then why bring up post counts? It is just a number. Nothing more. I know some people that know nothing that has 1000+ posts and I know some people that know a ton that are not even a member here.

 

[JungleHabitats]

just to let ya know

ok to let you know yes im reading , no im not replying right now because my sons here u ntil sunday night nest weekend I was busy in the shop last week and have two orders on the truck in th morning and im closing shop until after the hes gon ( i get him 2 weeks in summer and xmasthis year so im not going to waste no more time here at this moment now and not with him , Ill be getting as many questions from those who have asked me those ( terese ill get yours may be a day or two ill get that just have to talk to someone first that also has that info to make sure hes ok with me divulging it from him if not may take a few days for mail to get here and me get that info ) others ill answer to i have nothingto hide and im also going to be putting together posts from the post rich made on the lawsuit that will show more evidence that rich did a UNETHICAL movement in this deal over the domain name .. now if the BOI is for making such claims then great they should be seen . Also Rich I AS MANY people dont like the way fuana went in the last two years do i say i want fauna gone for ever NO but my biggest issue on the BOI and its setup is this thread and EVERY Other thread on it is credibility goes away when 3rd parties not in the actual transaction post many pages of dribble and there thoughts on someone they dont know , have never dealt with.

Why am I the nly person that makes a post as to someones ethics and get blasted when every body else jumps the guns like wild dogs lol ( dont say cause its effective ) its JUST & MORE so effective to see only posts from the buyer / seller to see how someone conducts busines ... those who say they wouldnt do business with me because i cussed .... ????? if you watch tv then you here what i posted , if you listen to radio you hear it , you goto movies you hear it , you rent DVD's there it is .. so now all the HIGH n MIGHTY non cussing hearing folks have to be bored to death sitting at hme and cutting off not buying for and paying to see these things




( yes full of typos im in a hurry wanna see spell check copy paste it i dont have any more time for this now ill be back later.)


Alan

 

[WebSlave]

I honestly do not think he wants fauna dead.

Yeah, right. Here is a direct quote from the email made by Alan:

so right now im waiting for him to get back with me and then im going to dicuss what is in it for me lol cause i know right now that he is planning on settling for less then the $175k and i think if i could get him that full amount it might be worth something right ? i mean even if it gets him $5-$10-$50k morethen they plan to settle on .... i think thats would be worth something lol if nothing else even a the fact that he could win the 175k would be fact enough to me IMO to give someone something esp since a settlement like that could more then likely cause rich to have to shut down fauna if he looses this lawsuit and esp if its for the full 175K or more .

Emphasis added....

So from the evidence I see either you are being dishonest (the opposite of "honestly"), or do have simply made a mistake in common sense judgement based on the evidence freely available.

I hope you know I do not. But Jim thinks sinse I only have 360 posts here I do.

I think your actions of making this open again is in the right direction though. I think you should charge for your classifieds though that would be another step in the right direction IMO.

Maybe, maybe not. But honestly I do not think you have the best interests of this site uppermost in your heart. So I am taking your words with that context in mind.

 

[JungleHabitats]

ohh bad word

If not, in advance, my reply to you is that you seem a bit truth impaired. AKA ... full of shit.

JIM O said shit ( dont deal with him hes unethical he cusses )

be back later

 

[Chameleon Company]

Gary,
I politely told you why I mentioned your post counts when I did. So don't ask "why I brought it up" when it was explained once, ond OBTW was not the BS reason you stated. So, are you confirming that you are still FOS ? Try again.

 

[Gary O]

I know you do have never seen you violate the TOS. Please don't take my posts as posting down to you. I think we can have a civil debate even if we don't agree on everything.

Everyone and I mean everyone does it. Right or wrong it's the nature of forums. Write it today and years down the road it can come back to haunt you. The difference in this situation is those old posts of Alan's were not posted until HE made the rather derogatory AND profane post in the thread about Lucille. Alan fired the first shot in this incident.

W are cool bro. I was just saying you know I would not break the TOS here. Just not my style.

See Rich took a shot at me for my domain name. ut the differense there is me and a friend(Jay Owens knows her) told me Gary start a forum. I really id not want to it went on for months. lol. I picked a name as I use to have a business name of Gary's Reptile Room. We got to talking and said drop the Gary and make it The Reptile Room. So I did. I did not know of anyone else having anything close to it. funny he compares that to what he did. He knew what the outcome would be.

But Dennis you know we are cool and I even told the people on TRR that. Yeah funny I am a site owner and even though the masses on that thread were bashing the hell out of Dennis I said hey guys he is cool. I even said Rich is not a bad guy. He just made bad choices. We all do. It was a BIG mess up doing what you did Rich. Twist it any way but you could have said screw it that is not right. Just becuase it is not written in law does not mean it is not wrong.

Someone said KS is unethical in things they do. HELL YEAH THEY ARE. Never said they were not. I do not even have a log in over there.

But everyone here can say I am a hater but I can go to any site use my real name as the log in and post. Everyone knows where I stand.

Sorryfor typos......WWE is on. Yeah I watch it shut up lmao

 

[Gary O]

Yeah, right. Here is a direct quote from the email made by Alan:



Emphasis added....

So from the evidence I see either you are being dishonest (the opposite of "honestly"), or do have simply made a mistake in common sense judgement based on the evidence freely available.



Maybe, maybe not. But honestly I do not think you have the best interests of this site uppermost in your heart. So I am taking your words with that context in mind.

The only reason I came over here was some asked me too. Best interest? I said from the beginning the paid thing as a bad iea that it would back fire in your face. I gave you some ideas but you had your mind made up.

YOu have some great people saying hey Lucille is out of control. But again you have your mind made up.

Sometimes you have to look at things from another view point.

You can take my words any way you wish.