Chameleon Company said:
You have not rebutted Bobby's "personal" allegations, as well as some more strictly business, and that sir is worrisome to at least a few here.
I have answered personal allegations for weeks on ends on other websites in the past and it generally ended with everyone stating that Bobby and I were both acting like asses. As far as not responding allegations today, I was working. I did make one post today from work (a mod is welcome to compare IPs) but I only had a short moment to post.
Let's see..
Bobby gave me two cornsnakes that I did not ask for. He told me that a friend had them and that they were produced from two wild snakes that were in captivity, one was ok and the other had a horrible scar from a light bulb, right Bobby? Do you wish that I did around on my other PC for the picture of the scarred cornsnake or do you want to admit to this lie?
He sent me a cornsnake manual, which I did not ask for, but stated that he purchased several and was giving them out to his friends.
Bobby asked me how to order two of the thetegu.com shirts. I told him not to worry about it though, I could just bring him a couple to Daytona if I made it there. He said "No, I want to help the site, so I will just pay for them" and he did. I did however refund shipping charges since I did end up personally delivering his two shirts, as well as a free one from Bert, whom I also met in Daytona.
Bobby also later asked why his account wouldn't let him upload more pictures to his gallery. I told him I had to limit users of the new gallery to a set amount of space because I had tons and tons of used space in the old gallery, old pictures that were costing me money out of pocket to host. The default option once the new gallery was full, was to let you order more space for a small yearly donation of around $10. I offered him the space free, he again said "It's only $10 and I want to help you out with the site".
I have received a couple cornsnakes, a book, etc that I didn't ask for or really need. He did run a contest on my website offering a free tegu, which was his choice. It was free advertising for him as much as for my website. He did it because I did a photo contest and gave away a ball python and tegu hatchling and it got me advertising and many more deposits. He contest was not a gift to me, it was advertising.. plain and simple.
Bobby was calling and asking me publicly in the chatroom to join him in Florida for the Daytona expo. I explained that I would like too, but money was tight. He offered to let me share his room if I could afford the ticket. A room that he already had reserved for his wife and himself. She was not able to make it, so there was plenty of room. He told me it wouldn't be an issue about paying from the room since he works as a cook for that hotel line and only pays pennies on the dollar. I told him I would come up with cash to go. I had enough to go, but not for any extras while I was there. My father, the great guy his is, extended me a loan for a couple grand the night before I left as a gift. I met Bobby, we had a great time. We went herping. We attended the show, we took turns buying each others meals and drinks, my CheriS and her granddaughter from Reptile Rooms, and many people from our chat.. it was a good time. Once the trip was over, Bobby even offered to keep my purchases with him and mail them to me once I got home. There was no anger or feelings of betrayal at this point.
Bobby would call me for hours (and I mean HOURS) a night asking for my advice, my thoughts on genetics and tegus in general. Gleaning anything he could from my experiences. Anyone from the chatroom can attest to this. He soon asked to be a moderator for all his helping sharing my knowledge in the forums and later told me he felt he deserved to be admin, so I made him an admin. I made him a super moderator with the "admin" label. He asked for even more control of the site and I denied him. He made his own website and all of a sudden stopped hanging out in my chat or the forums. I found that he had PMed many people to leave my site and my chat and to join him, some did, many did not. This is where the personal issues started to show up.
What I gave Bobby was recognition in the tegu community on my website. If I was sold out, I would send my customers to Bobby until he was sold out. I the end.. Bobby outgrew the need for my friendship and went his own way, but instead of being happy with that, he has to try to step on my name every chance he gets.
I will state one more issue on the personal matter, and then I will call it good. Bobby is a good friend as long as he needs or wants your friendship. Once that is over and will slowly start talking about you behind your back, he slander you when he gets a chance and will go out of his way to try to destroy your name.
The facts here.. for those who are just keeping up.. Is if you read my Goodguy post. I am a good guy and will go out of my way to be helpful. I will not only be helpful to my customers, but I offer help and assistance to people who buy tegus from Bert, Bobby, or Joe Blow. I am here before the sale, during the sale and after the sale.. My good guy posts speak for themselves. I had one customer who purchased from me and she was happy with the resolution and the tegu she got. She met Bobby and started going to his website and chat, she then got it into her head that my chacoans are not real chacoans and that bobby is the only person in the world with a tegu from chaco. (because that is what Bobby says) She then gave me a bad guy post. Why didn't she give me a bad guy post back when she purchased the tegu, or when they was a DOA, or when I asked her to ship me the dead one? or when she offered to give the body to a herp class? Because she is here on Bobbys behalf. Period!
So, is it true. It's it true that my chacoans are not chacoan? First, for those who don't know.. Chaco is basically the top half of Argentina. All of Argentina, or South America for that matter, is pretty much flooded with tegu lizards. A chaco tegu is any tegu imported from chaco. This whole "chaco = giant" description is crap. So, if you go into the top half of Argentina and pick up a wild Argentine Black & White Tegu, it is a Chacoan Tegu. It doesn't need to be 'Giant' or 'peachy', it's a Chacoan. I am an American, but I don't look anything like my neighbor. With that stated, so you really know what a Chacoan tegu is.. Can I prove mine came from the northern half of Argentina? Even though I purchased them as Chacoan, No.. sadly I can not. When this whole chacoan 'war' started a year ago, I decided to drop the word "chacoan" even though I believe mine to be from chaco and I chose to call them "white heads", which is the same thing Ron St Pierre did. Bobby decided to drop the chacoan term and call his "Extreme Giants".
So, do I think I tried to screw anyone over selling my chacoan white heads for $50 more? No, the customers who purchased them, who raised them and who love them.. think they are awesome and some of the lightest white headed tegus around, even whiter in adulthood than Bobby's! The only ones with issues, are the 2 or 3 people who Bobby has brainwashed into thinking he is the only person out there with 4 totally unique animals. Let's look at that part for a moment. Ron was selling "Chacoan White Heads" for 5 or 6 years and then he dropped the "Chacoan" and just used the "White Heads" name. After a few more years he stopped selling any Argentine tegus (focusing on just the blues) and then started selling his breeders. A reseller who purchased 4 adult Argentine Black & White Tegus from Ron offered them to Bobby, since he knew Bobby was recently buying up adult tegus so he could become a tegu breeder. When Bobby received them he said they were huge and must be Ron's chacoans breeders. Bobby later announced that his were peachy colored and unique. That no one else had these tegus, and that these are not the ones that Ron was selling as Chacoan White Heads. Bobby went further and claimed that Ron's Chacoans were fake too.. even though Ron was the one who termed the phrase "chacoan white heads" and he was also the one whom these 4 'unique' tegus came from. Something in that makes no sense.
In the end, I can't PROVE beyond a doubt that mine were collected in Chaco and neither can Bobby. There are many sizes of Argentine Black & White Tegu in the upper half of Argentina.. perhaps the ones at the bottom of Chaco are smaller than the ones in the upper part of Chaco, but there is no way of knowing short of going there. I just choose the easy route of dropping the chaco name, as did Bobby.. but why then is Bobby still going on about his being the true Chacoans? If he purchased his third hand, with no proof of the origins, he can not honestly call them "chacoans" based on their SIZE when he doesn't even have any idea how large or small the tegus are in the chaco region?!?
I hope I have cleared up some confusion without causing even more. I ask that you look at my good guy posts and the one 'bad guy' post, which I resolved with my customer and take Bobby and his personal issues with a grain of salt.
Rick Sisco
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