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Rick Sisco - Sisco Reptiles

That stuff about the white heads is a bunch of Bull. The regular B&W Tegus have white heads also. It's the Body size. Therefore Giant that is in question. The eggs are larger and the babies are larger. Why because the adults are true Giants. That article really proves nothing to me.
 
harveysherps said:
Do you not have any of your own material to work with? Seems like you borrow from other to help yourself. My god man Lets see what you know not what someone else knows. Where is your proof not someone elses.
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Wes,

Now I will call you out. You are accusing me of stealing someone elses pictures? These are my photos and if you are going to blatently accuse me of doing so, I demand that YOU back up the claim or shut to hell up!

Rick Sisco
 
harveysherps said:
That stuff about the white heads is a bunch of Bull. The regular B&W Tegus have white heads also. It's the Body size. Therefore Giant that is in question. The eggs are larger and the babies are larger. Why because the adults are true Giants. That article really proves nothing to me.
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Wes,

Again with you being ignorant of the facts. Ron was the one to import the chacoan tegus. Ron was the one to describe them. He does not claim they are 'giants', that is all Bobby's crap. If you read Ron's description, it clearly states they are the same size, but have stronger banding and more white. Not that they are peachy or larger.

So, Bobby's tegus do not fit the traditional definition of a chacoan tegu. That, my friend, is the fact.

Rick Sisco
 
No Rick, can you tell the truth? I never said one damn word of the crap you are trying to put in my mouth.

I supported your site, you are damn right I did. However, I never said it was ok to leach off me, why in the hell would I?
And you never bred tegus before me, that is a real joke, you know nothing about breeding tegus at all, so I need advice from someone that never bred them? I don't think so!! I do not think you ever bred them, as for the pictures the baby looks real dry to just come out of an egg, and you cannot tell it is an egg.

Mr. Video does not know how to take pictures, go figure that one.

And yes, one of the corns had scars, it was WC for god sake, I am sorry that the free snake was not perfect. However, there are no light bulbs in the woods.

You never offered anything free, no shirts or album update. And it was not 10 dollars it was 15 dollars. You even claimed you gave me a refund, but that was a lie as well.

You also claim I contacted your members to come to my site, well show me proof, you can get into my account, show the proof.

You also complained when I sent you your two free tegus, you pissed me off with all of the talk about your tegus being the same as mine. So I sent you two normals, you told me that they were not the giants, you bet they were not, if yours are the same as mine than it does not matter. I told you that I was sending you a pair of tegus and I did what I said I would.

No Rick, it is real far from the truth, I have told you from day one, tell the truth, however I see you are still unable to do so. Hell, you have never admitted you were ever wrong about anything, why start now?
 
White headed tegus are a color morph of the Argentine black and white tegu (Tupinambis merianae) that were captive bred by Ron St.Pierre .
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So according to what I copied from Ron St. Pierre's site, the white head is just a color morph, sort of a "high white" T. merianae?
 
ok, i wasnt going to post but figured, hey what the hell.... first, i openly state that i have no problem with either person here. And i don't know my ass from a whole in the the ground when it comes to tegus... all i want to say is that anyone else that has imput to this should come with facts, not simply saying, he cant prove it... but prove he's wrong. in the end, since its importation, neither one of you can prove where your tegus came from with 100% certainty unless you went there yourself everyone else needs to stop instigating everyone else. who the hell cares what they call their tegus? they can start calling them smurfs for all i care, but as a consumer, i wouldnt care so much about the name, as long as the animals are healthy... so unless there is definative proof that neither one chacoans, who is to say they are right or wrong? i dont know, maybe most people think i am crazy, but stop turning this into a dick measuring contest... at least make this a civil arguement and back your stuff up with un disputable facts... personaly, i dont give a sh*t about their personal stuff, thats between the two of them, and it sounds to me like it was a miscomunication on both parts. i can understand why bobby has a bit of a bent nose, hell, money isnt an the option, but feeling used is... no body likes to feel like they are being used, so everyone just chill out, and only add to this thread if you have relavant facts.
 
Oh man. :rolleyes:
Here is my take on the this. Bobby posted a huge mother of a tegu along with egg size comparision and hatchling photos.
The hatchling photos are where I think Bobby has the real Chacoan and Rick has the so called "normal" tegus.
Normal Argentine tegu's have green heads when they hatch (just like the ones Rick posted photos of) BUT Bobby posted photos of ones WITHOUT green heads as hatchlings. I may be off base but, to me, that shows that these are 2 seperate types of tegus.
 
SiscoReptiles said:
Wes,

Again with you being ignorant of the facts. Ron was the one to import the chacoan tegus. Ron was the one to describe them. He does not claim they are 'giants', that is all Bobby's crap. If you read Ron's description, it clearly states they are the same size, but have stronger banding and more white. Not that they are peachy or larger.

So, Bobby's tegus do not fit the traditional definition of a chacoan tegu. That, my friend, is the fact.

Rick Sisco
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No Ron and stella said many times they are the giants, and you damn well know it.

As for Daytona, do tell why you waited until Sunday afternoon to make your move on the buying?
 
Originally Posted by harveysherps
Seems to me Rick needs to produce some proof that he has bred Tagus for this to get settled. He also needs to show some of his hatchlings that look like Bobby's. Bobby has produced proof by the pictures he has posted. My God Bobby's are HUGE compared to other B&W Tegus. And the changing colors during breeding season is a load of bull also. I dare say that no one understands Tagus as well as Bobby Hill. I don't care who they are. Bobby is more about the scientific part and the discovery of information on the Taegu species as a whole. You people who disagree with him are all just clowns piling into a Volkswagen.
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You are incorrect, at least, according to what is written and pictured on Agama International's website. Here is a quote from them:
Arg BW tegu with odd yellow color, which they have in the winter half year always.
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See for yourself, third set of images up from the bottom of the page-
http://www.agamainternational.com/pages/tegu_image_gallery.htm
 
KelliH said:
So according to what I copied from Ron St. Pierre's site, the white head is just a color morph, sort of a "high white" T. merianae?
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KelliH,

Exactly.. The Chacoan / White Headed tegu is a regional variant, much like an "okeetee" cornsnake. It's still just a cornsnake, and it's color and pattern is not genetic, it's just a regional/inbreed trait.

Bobby has added to the description since he added it. He claims on the Chacoan's have a solid "V" under their neck, that only chacoans get a peachy/orange coloration, etc..

Here is one for Bobby to mull over...

chacoan_huh.jpg


Is this one of your "chacoans", Bobby? Notice the peachy color? Notice the solid V? Is this a true chacoan?

Rick Sisco
 
Normal Argentine tegu's have green heads when they hatch (just like the ones Rick posted photos of) BUT Bobby posted photos of ones WITHOUT green heads as hatchlings. I may be off base but, to me, that shows that these are 2 seperate types of tegus.
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Both types have green heads when they hatch, according to what I have read. This thread is actually making me seriously consider getting a small group of Tegus to work with. :)
 
Bobby asked if I'd join his site. I declined due to personal differences with another member there.
Unfortunately, I don't have the logs of this conversation, but I do know I'm not the only one he asked.
 
SPJ said:
Oh man. :rolleyes:
Here is my take on the this. Bobby posted a huge mother of a tegu along with egg size comparision and hatchling photos.
The hatchling photos are where I think Bobby has the real Chacoan and Rick has the so called "normal" tegus.
Normal Argentine tegu's have green heads when they hatch (just like the ones Rick posted photos of) BUT Bobby posted photos of ones WITHOUT green heads as hatchlings. I may be off base but, to me, that shows that these are 2 seperate types of tegus.
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SPJ,

Hey man, long time..

Anyways.. Eggs can vary in size or number based on the size and weight of the female who laid them.

The "greenless" hatchling were born with bright green heads too. He is only showing you juvy/sub-adult pics.

Rick Sisco
 
SiscoReptiles said:
SPJ,

Hey man, long time..

Anyways.. Eggs can vary in size or number based on the size and weight of the female who laid them.

The "greenless" hatchling were born with bright green heads too. He is only showing you juvy/sub-adult pics.

Rick Sisco
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Goes to show how much I know about tegus. :rofl:
Thanks for clarifying that.
Oh well, one theory down.
 
Bobby,

Personal issues are what you seem most interested in. Let's get down to business man.. Explain why your chacoans are chacoans and Ron's are not, or why mine are not?

Is the photo I just shared one of your chacoans? Is it just one of my "white heads"? Come on.

Rick Sisco
 
Bobby, you know you asked me to join your site. I went and joined, and stopped going after a few visits.
And where is the proof your tegus come from Chaco? Where did you get your original tegus?
Where is the proof of what YOU said Ron St Pierre said?
Wes, you need to get on the ball. He provided pics, and unless you have some proof those aren't his pictures, you need to quit pointing fingers about it.
 
Wouldn't this now be more appropriate in the tegu forum with the turn this thread has taken?
 
LOL One picture that isn't even clear isn't much proof to me. I am on the ball. The same one Bobby is on. If he did ask you to join the site. There is nothing wrong with that. Maybe he respected you and wanted your input on the site. As far as I'm concerned that was his mistake. But bottom line is . Bobby Hill has spent his time in breeding his Tegus to be his. I don't see any of you doing it. If so lets see the proof. I no longer keep Tegus . But I have asked Bert himslef about Bobby's Tegus. I respect his opinion on them also. I will not speak for Bert. But I do understand why Bobby's are different. Because of his explanation to me. That is all the proof I need to believe Bobby . Because I know what I know is true. I have spent hours researching Tegus. I love them . I just can't keep them at the moment. I explained along time ago why I don't have Tegus anymore. But Beleive me when I do. There will be a Bonified Bobby Hill Tegu in my Possion. No one has put the time and effort into the besides Bert. But I tend to agree more with Bobby than I do Bert. Not taking anything away from Bert. He is my idol. Bert, Bobby and Ron Tremper are 3 of the Icons in the Reptile industry. They have learned to deal with leaches in there time. Thank God they are a part of the trade.
 
varnyard You also claim I contacted your members to come to my site said:
You asked me in a PM through IRC, Bobby. I was only in Rick's tegu chat at the time, too. I never really thought anything of it, but if you want proof...

Session Start: Wed Jan 23 20:57:05 2008
Session Ident: Varnyard
[20:57] Session Ident: Varnyard (SorceryNet, lollapalooza) ([email protected])
[20:57] <Varnyard> Hey bro
04[20:57] <lollapalooza> hey
04[20:57] <lollapalooza> I would've responded to that thread on Fauna, but I havent been able to connect to it for a few days
[20:57] <Varnyard> You seen my website
[20:58] <Varnyard> It is down
[20:58] <Varnyard> Server problems
04[20:58] <lollapalooza> ah, ah
04[20:58] <lollapalooza> your website?
[20:58] <Varnyard> www.TeguTalk.com
[20:58] <Varnyard> I opened it in October
04[20:59] <lollapalooza> getting big?
[20:59] <Varnyard> Yes
[21:00] <Varnyard> Over 11000,00 posts
[21:00] <Varnyard> Avrage 112 posts a day
04[21:01] <lollapalooza> jebus
[21:02] <Varnyard> Yea it is growing real fast
Session Close: Wed Jan 23 21:09:53 2008
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SPJ said:
Wouldn't this now be more appropriate in the tegu forum with the turn this thread has taken?
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SPJ,

I don't think the thread is very appropriate anywhere. I am sure you can understand, but someone is attacking my character and my business/hobby with false claims, when in fact, my chacoans are the 'original' chacoans and Bobby just stole the name for his tegus and then accused everyone else of having false chacoans. The fact is coming to light here and now that it is Bobby who is the back stabber and fraud.

Bobby and I have already had this whole debate long ago, with shrap standing by his side. This went on and on and on for weeks until members of that site claimed the whole things made us both look like children.

Bobby is more intent on pointing out that he gave me gifts, and I didn't repay him for those gifts. He exagerates the value and adds that what I have offered him (the free shirt and photo hosting) is false. I didn't mention, but I also told him at the very beginning of this personal stuff, that this year I would pay for the room in Daytona, but Bobby had no intent to work things out. His goal was planned. He didn't need a friend selling tegus too, so he turned on me.

I wish I knew Bobby's gifts of friendship were actually trojan horses with strings attached!

Rick Sisco
 
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