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Rick Sisco - Sisco Reptiles

Still a bit confused ..

Varnyard's quote of himself:
And Rick, do show the juvy/sub-adults you have like mine, you claim yours are the same, show the proof. Lets see those creamy silver babies.
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Just wondering Bobby, but where did he claim "his were the same"? Not saying it didn't happen, just wondering where, and how it was worded.

Secondly,I do not think anyone had propriety rights on calling their tegus "Chacoan". If misrepresented, ie they were not of Chacoan origin, that's different, but no one owned that term, as it is but a geographic reference. "Chacoan Giant" would seem to have proprietary characteristics though.

Thanks Dennis for this copy of Rick's words:
Originally Posted by SiscoReptiles
Ok, to set the record straight for anyone who may be confused. Look at my website. Read my posts. Never, ever did I say my tegus were "Chacoan Giants"
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But I should have been more specific. I was wondering if Bobby felt this was an inaccurate or misleading claim by Rick, and could point us to an ad or forum somewhere, or maybe just a reasonable recollection, where Rick made a claim similar to those you ask about. I think Bobby needs to list the case about Rick's claims to have tegu's as or like Bobby's.

All this other stuff about ball pythons, "breeder of blue tegu's" etc. Frankly, unless Rick has actually offered for sale, or sold, something he doesn't have, or claims to have produced something he merely bought and resold, and it can be proven, its not much of an issue. I am not condoning fluffing one's image, but it is both hard to disprove, and isn't a crime.
 
Bobby, I think that everyone agrees that you have great looking animals and the giants are very impressive. I just want to know where Rick stated that he had giants also. Stating that he believes that his white heads are Chacoan just like yours is not the same as saying that they are giants just like yours.
 
To concur with Kevin's words, and add a couple. Bobby, I think most here are of the opinion that only you have this bloodline of huge and impressive tegu's that you labeled as "Chacoan Giants" and /or other designer labels. I have no problem looking at any of the pictures and seeing that they are more than distinctive enough from what others have, whether by color, size, both, or whatever. The issue is to please document where Rick took excessive liberties trying to say or imply that he had what you had, and then profit from it. OR, where he said you had nothing any different from what he had, or otherwise tried to impugn your product. Thanks.
 
Originally Posted by Mike P.:
Seems to me, perhaps Rick made an error in shipping - I'm sure he's not the only one - Some "Kid" came on here and started a bad guy post on Rick and I tend to believe that was egged on - Things were settled, and judging by that pic, I believe to satisfaction...
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I believe you are correct.
Originally Posted by DaveyFig:
I am just curious as to who clued her into the "fact" that her animal is not Chacoan. She thought she was buying a Chacoan. Rick thinks he sold her Chacoan. Bobby thinks she was buying a Chacoan Giant, and now she is convinced that she doesn't have a Chacoan at all. ::shrugs::
Someone must have told her that it wasn't Chacoan. How would that someone know? I can't help but think that if she hadn't been told it wasn't Chacoan that she wouldn't have posted, and this wouldn't have blown up like it did.
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Good point Dave, and way back at post #141 too.
Originally Posted by Ameivaboy:
I have been on the sidelines through out a lot of this and was very much involved in getting the girl heated about her tegu (as for the previous poster asking who clued her in, I did.)
But the fact of the matter is this, I was wrong in telling her that the animal she got was not a Chacoan. Not because Rick banned me from his site after I did so but because no one can prove where their tegus come from. Plain and simple, there are NO PROVEN CHACOANS IN CAPTIVITY.
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So Kevin told Katie that her tegu was not a "Chacoan" which he admits there is no way to prove.
Originally Posted by Rick Sisco:
One girl had a DOA and I resolved the issue. She was then instigated into coming on here and posting a bad guy post against me, not because of the way I handled the transaction, but because someone told her that her animal was less than what it was. The instigator admitted to it and apologized here, stating he really shouldn't had.
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Originally Posted by Ameivaboy:
Rick, to set the record straight I had nothing to do with her coming here.
I simply pm'd her (remind you this was 8 months or so ago right before my ban on your site) and told her she was getting a fake chacoan from you and she needed to talk to Bobby. That's all I said to her. Her choice to come here was not by my doing nor my intention (actually my intentions were to make her feel stupid which apparently I accomplished for her trying to trash my knowledge in an unrelated thread, if i remember correctly) Point is, I had nothing to do with "instigating her to come her and posting a bad guy thread"
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Who told Rick that Katie was getting a fake Chacoan? Then Rick tells Kazzy she is getting a fake Chacoan and sends her to Bobby.
Originally Posted by Kazzyscritters:
Great guy, never done business with him but will be purchasing a true Chacoan from him eventually. Wish I would have bought from Bobby instead of the other breeder. You've helped me through a lot, Bobby. Thanks!
-Katie
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Now Katie posted that on 3/7/08 in the (varnyard) Bobby Hill~~Good Guy!!!! thread the same day she posted this in this thread:
Originally Posted by Kazzyscritters:
Also, I paid for a Chacoan Tegu, then learned that Rick was just calling his White Heads Chacoans, therefore I received a White Headed Tegu, not what I originally wanted. I was very disappointed in the whole ordeal and won't be purchasing from Rick again.
-Katie
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So Bobby are you the one who instigated Katie to show up in Ricks "Good Guy" thread and trash his name after Kevin informed, or misinformed her that Rick had sold her a fake Chacoan? Were you also the one to give Rick that information/misinformation? There is no way to prove that Ricks tegu's are not from the Chaco region and if he never told Katie that he had your "Chacoan Giant" tegu and simply sold her one of his "Chacoan White Head" tegu's then he did nothing wrong.

Bobby, I think that you are playing (sock)puppet master here and used Katie to bump and tarnish Ricks Good Guy thread and are taking this opportunity to post all of your impressive photo's for advertising (you do have some nice animals,) and paint Rick as a Bad Guy at the same time. Quite effectively too, Katie came in at post #56 in this thread and here we are at post #265. Great marketing scam :thumbsup:.
 
I never sent Katie anywhere, she came here on her own. Never once did I contact her or put anyone up to contacting her, she came to me and wanted one of my tegus nothing more.
 
RJK890 said:
I believe you are correct. Good point Dave, and way back at post #141 too. So Kevin told Katie that her tegu was not a "Chacoan" which he admits there is no way to prove. Who told Rick that Katie was getting a fake Chacoan? Then Rick tells Kazzy she is getting a fake Chacoan and sends her to Bobby. Now Katie posted that on 3/7/08 in the (varnyard) Bobby Hill~~Good Guy!!!! thread the same day she posted this in this thread: So Bobby are you the one who instigated Katie to show up in Ricks "Good Guy" thread and trash his name after Kevin informed, or misinformed her that Rick had sold her a fake Chacoan? Were you also the one to give Rick that information/misinformation? There is no way to prove that Ricks tegu's are not from the Chaco region and if he never told Katie that he had your "Chacoan Giant" tegu and simply sold her one of his "Chacoan White Head" tegu's then he did nothing wrong.

Bobby, I think that you are playing (sock)puppet master here and used Katie to bump and tarnish Ricks Good Guy thread and are taking this opportunity to post all of your impressive photo's for advertising (you do have some nice animals,) and paint Rick as a Bad Guy at the same time. Quite effectively too, Katie came in at post #56 in this thread and here we are at post #265. Great marketing scam :thumbsup:.
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People like Bobby don't do trolling. Is that a bridge i can hear collapsing?
 
People like Bobby don't do trolling. Is that a bridge i can hear collapsing?
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Now wait a minute. Bobby is like a bulldog when he believes in something. Latches on and won't let go. He doesn't need to go trolling, and has never been shown other than completely honest. I don't think for a minute that he doesn't believe 100% that Rick claimed that his were giants somehow. I don't agree with him and was hoping he might see where he was wrong.
 
kmurphy said:
Now wait a minute. Bobby is like a bulldog when he believes in something. Latches on and won't let go. He doesn't need to go trolling, and has never been shown other than completely honest. I don't think for a minute that he doesn't believe 100% that Rick claimed that his were giants somehow. I don't agree with him and was hoping he might see where he was wrong.
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I was talking about Rob.H pulled up an old thread about a transaction that went wrong to make someone look bad, someone that he had never done business with.
 
I was talking about Rob.H pulled up an old thread about a transaction that went wrong to make someone look bad, someone that he had never done business with.
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Oh sorry. :ack2: I guess we agree on Bobby then. Actually all the quotes from Rob.H are from this thread I believe.
 
kmurphy said:
Oh sorry. :ack2: I guess we agree on Bobby then. Actually all the quotes from Rob.H are from this thread I believe.
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Yeah, but when he pulled the old thread up, Bobby told him exactly what he thought of him. Hence his presence in this thread. ;)
 
I'm not sure what this means, if it means anything at all, but I did a search on Wayback Machine of Rick Sisco's website, www.siscoreptiles.com

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.siscoreptiles.com

On the archive for November 5, 2006, on the available page, there are Black and White Tegus listed that are sold out from Tux x Tila. They are classified as normal black and whites.

On the archive for May 23, 2007, on the available page, what I'm assuming (yeah, I know...ASSuming) are the same type of animals now classified as Chacoan something or other (can't remember exactly what it said). I wonder if this is where Bobby is talking about the Tux x Tila babies being sold as normals one year, Chacoans the next?

Then, on the archive for August 23, 2007, on the available page, we now have White Head Tegus (if I remember correctly) that DIFFER from Bobby Hill's.

I also did a search on Wayback Machine for www.bluetegu.com the site of Ron & Stella St. Pierre.

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.bluetegu.com

On the archive for June 11, 2004, under Argentine Black and White, there is a distinction between Chacoans and normal Black and Whites.

Somewhere around the end of 2004/beginning of 2005, it appears the Chacoan name was no longer being used, but they were now being called White Heads, if I'm remembering it correctly.

Again, it may not mean anything at all, but thought I'd throw it out there.
 
And they grow up to be silver creamy Giants like this, not normals white heads like Rick's:
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Bobby, how old is that animal? It is very impressive! Also, when did you get your Extreme Giant breeders? And from who? In what year did you first reproduce them? Thanks.
 
varnyard said:
Me:




Ok, I will try this again, I asked rick to post pictures of babies just like mine AKA Giants, "creamy silver babies". He said he would if he was not sold out.

However, Ricks white heads, and my white heads are the same, and the babies are not "creamy silver". Only the Giants show these colors.
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Bobby, you asked him to show babies like yours after he showed pictures of an adult that had the same V, and peachy coloration. He didn't post the picture to prove his are the same as yours, in fact he admits later that the animal is a cross. He posted the picture to show that your Giants aren't the only ones with those characteristics. He didn't say his were the same as yours, just showed an animal with similar markings and color. I thought it was a pretty good move too. It shows that they don't have to be anything like yours to share some common characteristics. Those characteristics happen to be the basis for most of your arguement, from what I have seen.
 
Seems to me we've had some real easy to answer questions on the table all day, and yet can't get them answered. In the meantime, we have "allegations" <cough ... choke ... puke> that either of the two main parties here may have alternatively used the names "Chacoan" and or "white head" in describing their animals in the last couple of years, with neither owning any proprietary to "Chacoan", as it was shown to have been a description by another back in the late 90's. As for "white head", it is not a label either. but rather a description, open to debate all day long as to how white is white, and if its the top of the head, side of the head, who gives a crap head. I don't know how long it may take to answer the simple questions, collectively posed by many, but if its all about "Chacoans" and "white heads", then a pox on all their tegu houses ! In the immortal words of Charlie Brown ... Aaaaaaaarrrrrggggghhhh ....Good Grief !
 
KelliH said:
Bobby, how old is that animal? It is very impressive! Also, when did you get your Extreme Giant breeders? And from who? In what year did you first reproduce them? Thanks.
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And of those questions it seems those are really important ones as they will help clarify this issue.

Regards :)
 
Saladragon said:
I'm not sure what this means, if it means anything at all, but I did a search on Wayback Machine of Rick Sisco's website, www.siscoreptiles.com

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.siscoreptiles.com

On the archive for November 5, 2006, on the available page, there are Black and White Tegus listed that are sold out from Tux x Tila. They are classified as normal black and whites.

On the archive for May 23, 2007, on the available page, what I'm assuming (yeah, I know...ASSuming) are the same type of animals now classified as Chacoan something or other (can't remember exactly what it said). I wonder if this is where Bobby is talking about the Tux x Tila babies being sold as normals one year, Chacoans the next?
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The B&W were listed seperately, too.
 
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