Rob Trenor @ RK Reptiles (Inquiry)

[necoris]

And another:

(I'd post faster but there is a 120 second limit between posts)

 

[necoris]

Here is a picture of the other female purchased from Rob as soon as we received her; we used to call her "Xandira" but I think that will change too.

 

[necoris]

Here is what "he" looks like now:

 

[Suncoast Herpetological]

Guys

If he hadn't wanted to post the details he would not have threatened to do so in his first post. And Dennis, the reason you suggested that his first post needed to be clarified to avoid sounding like an attempt at blackmail is easily explained.....it WAS a blatant attempt at blackmail.

The way this was handled is absolutely indefensible.

 

[E2MacPets]

You don't seem to get it...

You waited 9 months to probe your snakes.

You waited 4 minutes to post on the BOI.


What does Rob owe you?

 

[necoris]

Rob should be able to identify those females. I don't know if he keeps a record of the animals he sell or not, but those are the ones we received from him. As of now, I can't find the original pictures that were posted on ks.com. I'll keep looking. I do, however, have the PayPal receipt (once again). I can get a few other people to probe the snakes if need be. I used to work with Dr. Funk at Mesa Veterinary Hospital so I learned a lot from him; I'm sure he can probe them for me. I can also take them to a local pet store (Arizona Reptile Center) to have them probed.

Regards,
Dustin J. Cox
Diapsid

 

[Aprylla]

Wow...

On a side note, those are 2 really nice looking ball pythons! If they are males you would probably be better off to sell them as such and purchase 2 females of the same size. I am sure there are a lot of people on Fauna who would love to have those 2 male ball pythons (for future breeding purposes possibly even).

In my opinion, 9 months is a LONG time to wait to probe a snake. And I definitely think that you should have waited and given Rob a chance to respond to your e-mail before posting anything on the BOI about this situation. The fact that you posted that there was a problem before he could even possibly respond to you seems a little off.

At least I see what sort of gorgeous snakes that Rob produces and I hope to do business with him in the future.

Aprylla Hall

 

[John Bernardi]

mis sexed

well Dustin,
i don't post here often but i had a simular situation some years back where i bought a trio 1.2 white lipped pythons from a breeder and sexed them a year later my mistake i ate it, i didn't even beleive i had a justifiable reason to contact the breeder for my mistake. i got 2.1 just lucky i didn't get 3.0 to make a long story short it doesn't matter what they look like the bottom line is that you are as much at fault as is Rob and he has no obligation to replace them espessially with him paying all the shipping get real. your best thing you can do at this time is simple keep them or sell them and take it as a lesson learned.
John Bernardi

 

[necoris]

Everyone will take what I have done and said and form their own opinion about it. Maybe it's because I'm new here, maybe it's because I was upset when I sent the first email to Rob. Whatever your opinion may be, Rob did send me two males that were supposed to be females. I could have said no biggy and posted a bad guy thread about him, but I didn't. I could have posted these snakes up for sale and in the description put that I was ripped off by Rob, but I didn't. I still could do something like that, but I don't want to. That's not the way I feel. I just want two females instead of males. That's only fair. Some would say that not probing your animals and trusting the breeder is a bad decision. I didn't really care if they were males or females 9 months ago, but now I do. I have a male orange ghost which needs females. I will also be acquiring a male pastel this August. I need the females. I purchased these females to grow them up knowing that they are superior animals; not some wild-caught animals that are mothering the eggs of some morph. The reason? To have quality animals.

Anyway, if I waited too long to probe, so be it.

Rob, please let me know what you are going to do. If you decide that I'm full of it and I'm wasting your time, fine.

Regards,
Dustin J. Cox
Diapsid

 

[necoris]

Re: Wow...

On a side note, those are 2 really nice looking ball pythons! If they are males you would probably be better off to sell them as such and purchase 2 females of the same size.

Thanks your for the compliment. Also, selling both males will not even buy me one female of the same size, that's eating frozen/thawed rats and that is as healthy as mine are. A female like that would sell for $250.00 plus shipping.

 

[necoris]

Okay, so I'm wrong. I'm wrong to have posted an inquiry about Rob and I'm wrong to get mad at Rob for giving me the wrong animals. I'm wrong thinking that Rob should exchange the males for females.

What would you (members of the BOI) if you were in my shoes?

Dustin J. Cox
Diapsid

 

[Stardust]

Personally if I were you I would just drop it. You have two beautiful snakes there. If you did not care about the sex of the snakes when you bought them enough to check, then the problem is yours. Especially after all this time. Rob is a nice guy but I think that asking him to exchange is asking way too much. If you had found out the snakes had some defects or something, it may be a different story, but the sex of them, when you have said yourself that at the time of buying you didn't care about the sex is asking way too much.
Just my opinion

 

[Aprylla]

Hmmm...

If I were in this situation I'm afraid that I would just have to let this one go as my own mistake. This happened to me before too, I purchased 1.5 ball pythons (NOT FROM ROB, but from another breeder several years ago) and got 4.2. I didn't think much about probing them until they were about a year old and thats when I found out I had 4.2 instead of 1.5. I contacted the breeder just to let him know. I informed him of his mistake (which had been about 10 or 11 months earlier) just to let him know, and I took full respobsibility for not probing the snakes MUCH sooner than about a year after I got them. I did not ever ask or expect the breeder to swap the snakes out for females. Had I checked them within a couple weeks of receiving them I would have asked him to swap them, but not after I'd had them for that long. The breeder was kind enough though to give me a nice discount when I later did order some females from him again (and this time I probed them within 24 hours of receiving them).

My best advice would be just to eat the cost on this one. Sell those males and put the $$$ toward purchasing some females.

I honestly don't think that Rob should have to do any sort of swapping of snakes on this one due to the length of time involved here. If It had been 9 days maybe, but not 9 months. Also, I am pretty sure that Rob, being the well-known guy that he is, and doing as much business as he does, has some sort of a policy regarding returns, swapping snakes out, etc. And something tells me that any chance you had to swap those snakes out ran out a good while back.

Hope everyone involved gets this issue resolved and moves on. I know of Rob through others to be a good guy. I am sure Dustin is also a good guy, maybe just jumped the gun on posting this on the BOI.

 

[DavidBeard]

IMO Rob owes you nothing, Dustin.....considering the length of time and your lack of proof that the snakes are really 2.2.....you have no case. You *could* be lying that you have 2.2 and are just trying to get something for nothing.....I'm not saying thats what is happening, its just a possibility you have to take into account. You have no proof other than your word that the snakes were mis-sexed. Thats not good enough to warrant a BOI post....and certainly not one in the manner of the one you posted.

 

[southpaw]

I'll go against the grain on this one. If Rob stated that they were 0.4 then I don't care how much time passes...if they are not 0.4 then he should stand behind what he said and compensate for his mistake. If you are selling an animal you need to be 100% sure of gender...if you mess up...back it up.
Katie Kennedy

 

[DavidBeard]

I'll go against the grain on this one. If Rob stated that they were 0.4 then I don't care how much time passes...if they are not 0.4 then he should stand behind what he said and compensate for his mistake. If you are selling an animal you need to be 100% sure of gender...if you mess up...back it up.
Katie Kennedy

OK....but wheres the PROOF that Rob sold him 2.2? I don't think just going on Dustin's word is good enough....but thats just me.

 

[NEWReptiles]

I'll go against the grain on this one. If Rob stated that they were 0.4 then I don't care how much time passes...if they are not 0.4 then he should stand behind what he said and compensate for his mistake.

I'm with Katie on this one. I have photos of animals I sold 3 years ago. If a customer of mine can prove I mis-sexed an animal, I will do whatever it takes to make it right......Thats just me.

I do agree that 9 months is a long time, BUT the price difference in male BP's VS. female BP's would have me upset too.

Are the animals in the pics the ones you sold Dustin Rob?

 

[Rob @ RK Reptiles]

I very much appreciate everyone's input and opinions on this situation. I would like to re-iterate that the animals in question were sexed (by both probing and popping) by 2 different people and all sexed as females on a couple of occasions before they were shipped. Also the price on all 4 females was $210 shipped which makes the price on each animal $42.50, and shipping $40.

I do keep a lot of pictures of animals I sell but these females were just normal females and ones that I was selling as normals in lots and normally don't even take pictures of. I took pictures for Dustin as they were being picky and wanted to choose their own from pictures. Last year I sold approximately 1000 normal Ball pythons and I did not keep pictures of every single normal I sold.

Dustin: Here is what I will do for you in this situation. If you would like to send the animals back to me (at my expense) and they turn out to be males as you state, I will either refund you the price you paid for the 2 animals (which is $85.00) or I will send you 2 `04 select females from my stock I have now in exchange for the supposed males.

 

[Casey Hulse]

I think that offer is very than reasonable Rob.

I also believe this was not handled very well by Dustin.

 

[Suncoast Herpetological]

After the miserable way the buyer has handled this you are definitely going above and beyond Rob.