Bad Guy RobbieHamper(elegantreptileimages)

[leaveittoweaver]

Robbie says in that email that she informed you of the FTS. Is that true?

And I agree that the gecko you purchased is definitely not an Inkspot Dalmation. That to me was false advertising.

I also don't really like that the seller says:
"She has NEVER had baby food and has ONLY had crickets dusted with calcium and Rapashy food as an additive. "

Those eggs definitely look fertile and Robbie claims this gecko has never been with a male, so that in my opinion needs some sort of explanation from the seller.

So is she saying that crickets are the staple and she supplements occasionally with Repashy???

However, the seller did offer an $85.00 credit. I don't know how much the gecko cost, but that seems like a good offer after seeing the gecko.

Ashley, I think you were a little harsh and jumped the gun but I don't think you are completely in the wrong either and I wouldn't just go back on what you said just yet.

 

[Bash]

Robbie says in that email that she informed you of the FTS. Is that true?

And I agree that the gecko you purchased is definitely not an Inkspot Dalmation. That to me was false advertising.

I also don't really like that the seller says:
"She has NEVER had baby food and has ONLY had crickets dusted with calcium and Rapashy food as an additive. "

Those eggs definitely look fertile and Robbie claims this gecko has never been with a male, so that in my opinion needs some sort of explanation from the seller.

So is she saying that crickets are the staple and she supplements occasionally with Repashy???

However, the seller did offer an $85.00 credit. I don't know how much the gecko cost, but that seems like a good offer after seeing the gecko.

Ashley, I think you were a little harsh and jumped the gun but I don't think you are completely in the wrong either and I wouldn't just go back on what you said just yet.

She informed me it had "A Defective Tail" at the table, that's all she said, "defective".. Not FTS, And it bothered me that she said Crickets Dusted, CGD should be the staple. Crickets occasional. She had her listed as a Inked spotted Harley on the table, Not a Dal. & I bought her for 135$. she was marked at 150$, But Then she said she'd sell her to me for 135 because her tail was "Defective".. I Wouldn't trade her back, nor am i giving her Back, Period. She also said something in the Email along the lines of it would be a bonus getting a crested laying fertile eggs.. Maybe if they were over 35+ grams, not 28.6 grams while carrying them. I didn't want to retract my statements But being fairly new in the gecko community i didn't want to cause a crazy mess, But i knew In some aspects i was Right. I was Harsh and i did indeed jump the gun, and for that I truly do apologize, I'm Never quick to Cut someone Down. & I was in the wrong by not asking more questions.. But either Way I'm Happy with My Crested, Just not the situation. which now i'm content with.

 

[Kaseyy]

I am friends with Ashley IRL, and we had went to the Hamburg show together last Saturday.

I will say that Robbie did not say anything about the gecko specifically having FTS.

I agree that Ashley might have jumped the gun in e-mailing Robbie the second time, but after the incident with the eggs she was extremely upset. And honestly, so was I. She called me up panicking, saying she found that Rye had laid eggs.
I suggested they were duds, but to just candle them just to be sure.. She candled them right then and there, and she told me what she saw... I told her that if she was indeed seeing that cheerio... it was sounding like the eggs might be fertile.

She was upset. She did NOT expect this female to be laying fertile eggs, at all. Who would? Ashley had no plans of even breeding geckos. She wanted this gecko as a pet. We were both a little shocked. I could not believe that this 20-something gram female had been bred (whether purposely or accidentally) So now she will be caring for this females future hatchlings.

I must say, the manner in which the seller responded (and the way she tooted her own horn a bit) was not too classy and a little unprofessional for a business woman.

For the record, I know Ashley personally and believe she is qualified to own and care for geckos. Caring for crested geckos is not rocket science. She feeds them the correct food (CGD), she keeps temps and humidity levels perfect, and she just flat out adores each of her geckos.

I am just extremely curious as to why these eggs look pretty darn fertile when Robbie claims "ALL of my female are ALWAYS sold as virgins and have NEVER been with a male."

 

[MKJurassic]

All in all I do think this thread serves as an excellent info thread about the seller. Especially after having a female lay fertile eggs, imagine if she would have gone home with someone who isn't so knowledgeable? That little girl could easily have had a calcium crash and died in a less experienced persons care, leading to a very very unhappy customer.

To me personally a 'defective tail' would mean a nipped tail, although I guess I could stretch it and see how FTS would qualify. The morph is off yes, but I am more interested in hearing the seller explain why fertile eggs were laid? I personally would be infuriated if I purchased a gravid female without wanting to. You then feel obligated to take care of the eggs and subsequent 'mutt' geckos, adding more to a collection than you probably desired. Quality over quantity is the name of the game, and I know I for one would not at all be "happy if a gecko laid eggs" without knowing the father or having approved it.

I think this is not so much as a 'bad guy' thread as an info thread since you seem to love Rye dearly and aren't really looking for an sort of compensation (unless I am incorrect?), and the seller did offer you a credit which I would not hesitate to take. I wish you luck with your little guys and hope to see updates about them!

 

[Untaimed]

I'd be extremely interested in how a 'virgin' crested gecko became gravid as well... While the OP may have jumped the gun a bit, I would be pretty upset myself to suddenly have a way too small, gravid female on my hands. Especially if I wasn't looking to breed & when it puts my new pet at risk. I hope the seller can shed some light on how she became gravid if she's never been with a male.

 

[Bash]

All in all I do think this thread serves as an excellent info thread about the seller. Especially after having a female lay fertile eggs, imagine if she would have gone home with someone who isn't so knowledgeable? That little girl could easily have had a calcium crash and died in a less experienced persons care, leading to a very very unhappy customer.

To me personally a 'defective tail' would mean a nipped tail, although I guess I could stretch it and see how FTS would qualify. The morph is off yes, but I am more interested in hearing the seller explain why fertile eggs were laid? I personally would be infuriated if I purchased a gravid female without wanting to. You then feel obligated to take care of the eggs and subsequent 'mutt' geckos, adding more to a collection than you probably desired. Quality over quantity is the name of the game, and I know I for one would not at all be "happy if a gecko laid eggs" without knowing the father or having approved it.

I think this is not so much as a 'bad guy' thread as an info thread since you seem to love Rye dearly and aren't really looking for an sort of compensation (unless I am incorrect?), and the seller did offer you a credit which I would not hesitate to take. I wish you luck with your little guys and hope to see updates about them!

I am looking for absolute no compensation, I just wanted a explanation. & i love Rye Dearly already and have no intentions of giving her back, no matter what i was offered. She could offer me a thousand dollars at this point and the answer would simply be, No.
Whatever morph they turn out to be, I have the money and space. & as long as i can keep her weight and calcium up and keep her healthy. I am at peace. & thank you, and there will be updates of my My Little critters.

Thanks kase for having my back and explaining what i didn't =)

 

[SirenSanJose]

It, uh, may sound cruel, but... if you're not in a place where you have the time and energy to deal with up to a dozen hatchlings, you might consider freezing the eggs off. This early on, they're completely unviable, unable to feel pain, and would just... fail to develop.

 

[Iguanalady]

So where as, Robbie did say in her letter to me : "This is another false accusation! ALL of my female are ALWAYS sold as virgins and have NEVER been with a male. Crested geckos and Leopard Geckos will lay INFERTILE eggs when they are mature and at an age when they are close to breeding size. This is common knowledge that experienced gecko people know" That picture of Rye's Egg should speak for itself, And That's my last End statement.

I don't know if this is true with cresties but I do know that leos can hold sperm for long periods of time. Just to give Robbie the benefit of a doubt, could it be that she delayed is separating her geckos and could it possibly have bred before she was old enough to lay eggs and maintained the sperm? That said, maybe Robbie really did think the gecko was virgin.

 

[bxjoon]

Those eggs look good to me, unless this is parthogenesis.

 

[KORBIN5895]

Can someone tin eye that egg picture to see if it is really the op's picture? I don't have a side in this but this seems really sketchy on the op. She asks for us all to drop it then comes up with evidence? I also think for credibility's sake that dragonluver probably should've stayed away from this. When the competition chimes in it makes me wary.

 

[KORBIN5895]

Can someone tin eye that egg picture to see if it is really the op's picture? I don't have a side in this but this seems really sketchy on the op. She asks for us all to drop it then comes up with evidence? I also think for credibility's sake that dragonluver probably should've stayed away from this. When the competition chimes in it makes me wary.

The bold should be dragonlvr64.

 

[dragonlvr64]

Can someone tin eye that egg picture to see if it is really the op's picture? I don't have a side in this but this seems really sketchy on the op. She asks for us all to drop it then comes up with evidence? I also think for credibility's sake that dragonluver probably should've stayed away from this. When the competition chimes in it makes me wary.

You have to be kidding. She is a young person, has a good portion of the posts here siding against her, realizes she jumped the gun and apologizes. Now you say she is scamming?

 

[KORBIN5895]

Wow. Your amazing! You can read what's not there!

How I really feel is I think she made it all up, apologized thinking it would get deleted and when she found out it won't she created a little more evidence.

I am also keenly aware of how on page two you claim to have seen pics but they aren't posted til page four. You had no problem speaking for Ashley so why didn't you save her the hassle and post pictures for her?

Now this is just how I see it.

 

[wes smith]

.... I see that someone on the Fauna Form has already explained that to you.
..........
I see that you are now putting some very bold false accusation on Fauna Classified..... I will contact Fauna and get the facts straight. Rich, who runs the site, has been as a personal friend of ours for years so
he knows who I am and the animals I represent.

Apparently the seller (Robbie) has read this thread and chosen not to reply here for some reason????

The fertile eggs need to be addressed here in this thread, Robbie has claimed in her e-mail to the OP that the gecko was never with a male, and that she (Robbie) does not sell geckos that have been bred.

Robbie's statement to Ashley about being a personal friend of Rich's kinda rubs me the wrong way too (not because I think Rich would show any favoritism), but her attitude about it. It reads as though she is trying to intimidate the OP by mentioning her relationship with the owner of this site.
If Robbie does not address this thread directly, people reading this will have to form their own conclusions about the credibility of this seller, IMO.

 

[Crestedlovely]

I don't know the OP, am not competition, and also saw this gecko in person at the show.

First let me say that I do not believe that this is a simple case of FTS with this girl's tail. The tail is laid over to one side at the base, but there also another kink further down the tail. It would be great if the OP could get a picture of this too, but frankly I feel the pertinent information has already been shared. The gecko is thin. All you have to do is look at her hips jutting out in the last picture to see that this gecko is underweight. I have seen females after laying and their hips should not look like that if proper care was taken of them while gravid. Likely, these issues are being caused by this gecko being bred too young and/or poor diet.

Next, all of those pictures are indeed from the OP. That is definitely the same gecko I saw and the picture of the egg was taken with the same camera. She isn't even looking for compensation, what is there to scam? She was asked for pictures and she provided them. Probably hoping that people would at least look at her side. She admits she jumped the gun, but I think this is a very good informational thread anyway. A person new to the hobby might have no idea how to handle a situation like this and are also the most likely not to know the signs of what to look for.

Crested geckos can indeed store sperm, however that would mean that this female was kept with a male mature enough to mate which should never happen. I do not give the benefit of the doubt on this issue. They should be separated long before this is a possibility.

 

[dragonlvr64]

Wow. Your amazing! You can read what's not there!

How I really feel is I think she made it all up, apologized thinking it would get deleted and when she found out it won't she created a little more evidence.

I am also keenly aware of how on page two you claim to have seen pics but they aren't posted til page four. You had no problem speaking for Ashley so why didn't you save her the hassle and post pictures for her?

Now this is just how I see it.

I am on a forum and saw the thread with a mention of the Hamburg show. I vend there, so I was interested in the situation. The photo was posted there for anyone to see. I did not have "insider" information. I have never met the OP.
I am not speaking for Ashley. I am stating what I have seen at the Hamburg show where first I was a buyer and then years later a vendor. I state the truth. I do not lie.
I vend at one show that Robbie vends at. I have no clue how many other people vend that show that has the same species of animals that Robbie has.
I would not purchase a crested gecko from Robbie as I do not like how they look.
I have no desire to slam another vendor or a person in general. I am not that kind of person. My reputation here and my posts show this.
No one willingly comes here to state something against a well known person or really any person for fear of the repercussions. So I came on here because I have seen her animals and can state with total honesty the condition of them. I do not want to have my reputation tarnished. That is why I handle myself properly and only state the truth.

 

[Jaybee]

Crestedlovely, while I agree with everything else you have said:

Next, all of those pictures are indeed from the OP. That is definitely the same gecko I saw and the picture of the egg was taken with the same camera.

When using an EXIF viewer, the blurry pic of the gecko on the hand was taken on June 10th with a Fujifilm FinePix Z20fd; the egg pic was taken on June 13th with a Nikon D40, "1:46:02PM (timezone not specified)."


At any rate! The third pic (non-blurry pic of gecko on hand) has stripped info so I can't tell what took that one, but the nail style on the person's hands match in the non-blurry pics. (Can't really make them out in the 3rd pic.)

 

[Crestedlovely]

Crestedlovely, while I agree with everything else you have said:


When using an EXIF viewer, the blurry pic of the gecko on the hand was taken on June 10th with a Fujifilm FinePix Z20fd; the egg pic was taken on June 13th with a Nikon D40, "1:46:02PM (timezone not specified)."

Damn, I need to get better at that. Thought I had it. Oh well!

 

[Crestedlovely]

To clarify the thing with the pictures, I have no idea how to check that, but I was confident that it was from the OP. I sent a link to a friend that DOES know how to check things like that and he came back saying it was from the same camera. Being a friend, I believed that he actually did check, but apparently he did not.

 

[Jaybee]

Dangit, should have said:

but the nail style on the person's hands match in the first two pics.

in my previous post. My apologies.

Can someone tin eye that egg picture to see if it is really the op's picture? I don't have a side in this but this seems really sketchy on the op.

I have run the pic through both TinEye and Google image search and nothing has come up; again though, the pic was taken yesterday almost just before the OP posted it. You can take the image's URL and enter it into an online EXIF viewer like Jeffrey's to get the info yourself if you are in doubt though. The egg pic seems to have all of its original camera info intact.